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[cerberus1701]

incinerator950 wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

ThePatriot101 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

ThePatriot101 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

We paid for it, we have a right to complain.

And yet the fact that those items have no refund offerings means NOTHING?

You're already buying it knowing that no matter how good or bad it is you will NEVER get that money back.

Man up and take some responsibility.

I am, I'm informing people that the decision to buy that which was purchased was essentially a waste. As for refundability, I already have a fund for MS points. However, I could have bought a few Indie games for the price of this, and I also just bought a new Kukhri machete which was made from 1055 Carbon Steel.

Uh huh. Yeah, you're not trying to buy an f---in car for $30k. You're buying a visor, helmet, and armor set for $2.

If you have the urge to "inform" people about how wasteful something was at almost the same cost as a bottle of soda from a vending machine...well, just think of how pathetic that sounds.

You would be surprised, at my campus they charge $1.35, where I live it's $1.25. Back down in where I grew up (around now too) it's $1.00. I don't need to tell people not to get Geedunk, because everyone wants food and drink. However, I've gotten this already, the product is crap. As for the 30k car, I'm not big on cars, so that's someone elses job to armchair them. This is becoming the equivilant of Horse Armor.

Regardless, look at the topic, over 50% of the people here do not like the gear standing off, and just about everyone who previously had Inferno Armor (including myself), feel ripped off because we got NOTHING NEW OR GOOD.

And, why, pray tell, does every content pack have to be for YOU? This one wasn't. You're not the only one playing the game, you're not the only one with desires as to content, micro or otherwise.

One day they will release, say, the Terminus Armor or the Incisor Rifle (that I assume you don't have) And when the shoe is on the other foot that day you'll realize how THEIR complaining  looks. For the record, I actually have Inferno so there wasn't much in this pack for me.

That just means the pack wasn't really MADE FOR ME. There will be ones that are.

I have Terminus already, I do not have Incisor Sniper Rifle.  As for it being for me, that would be amazingly awesome.  I play with an Adept, yet I don't use the Archon Visor.  Were it not for the Blood Dragon Armor, I would be using Terminus Armor, or the highest Power Damage output gear on the N7 Armor.  The Visor was made for Biotic and Tech users, so technically I do fall under the category of users who would partially find a use for it.  The Capacitor Helmet takes off the Chest Slot that could be use, or possibly stack for 20% faster recharges.  

As for my desires, I desire what the majority of the board wants, DLC that has something to do with quests and a storyline.  We don't need new overpowered guns or new shiny pieces of semi-useful Armor pieces (or redudnant ones).  We set the bar for gear being good because Bioware keeps releasing good weapons, the Arc Caster became one of the 3 best Heavy weapons, the Locust became the most powerful Sub-machine gun and almost rivals an Assault Rifle.  The Incisor is considered one of the best squad weapons because of it's burst-fire. 

I, too want story content, and they've said it's coming. I'm content with the smaller bits in the meantime as they are fairly quickly produced and, if nothing else, let's fans know that they are working on content.

I don't disagree with a lot of your position. I use the Arc Projector almost exclusively as my heavy. It's just too good with the Collector platforms snd the Locust...never use anything else. With the recoil on the Tempest, unless you were in shotgun range anyway it didn't do much good. Used the Evi on a Vanguard run and didn't even bother picking up the Claymore.

But some people stick with the Tempest and love the Claymore. Some people will find a use for and a reason to like pretty much anything that gets released "(It shoots well, it's looks cool, suits my playstyle, etc) That doesn't mean it's "bad," it's just not for everyone.

But all the bile that gets spewed over the content is really a disproportional response, unnecessarily hurtful to the people whose job it is to create it, and ultimately self-defeating as some of that negativity has to bleed into the people who get paid to build it all. "I don't like this because...." is VASTLY different from. "This sucks, you suck, all you are is a bunch of nickel and dime grubbing wh***s.

The latter, unfortunately, is the majority of this thread. And it's been that way with pretty much every bit of DLC so far.

[UHitMeInTheEar]

As I recall a lot of people were hoping the inferno armor would one day be available for purchase. Bioware appeared to listen and made it so and added a couple of extra but useless items to the purchase. That way you those who already had the armor wouldn't have to worry about it because the extra helmets shouldn't be enough to trick you into repurchasing the armor.

If they did then you need help.

Otherwise those that wanted the armor can no get it.

They'll probably do this same thing with the other preorder items.

I will not be purchasing it or any of them.

I would like to purchase some new missions or story for the game though. That would be great.



Thanks

[incinerator950]

It's the forum, I don't bother posting something about quality unless I actually put my hand on it, or used it. That being said, they're doing a good job. However, being paid to hand out this doesn't make them protected from Criticism. Just because it's optional, or that they're making it and more, doesn't mean we can not say they did a good or bad job. On the contrary, the gear they made is aesthetically pleasing, it's just that I don't find it functional this time and I find it sad that people are just paying for Inferno Armor with two seperate sets of head-gear, both of which are not even usable with Hazard missions.



For Instance, I love the DLC Armors (mostly BD and Terminus), and yet I dislike the Inferno Armor's overall look and I dislike using Collector Armor on anything higher then Normal or Veteran. I stopped using the Collector Rifle and started reusing my Geth Pulse Rifle.



You are right though, the majority of the DLC topics is usually ****ing, but it's also usually blind praise and partly constructive criticism. This, however, is usually what happens when they just leave an announcement and don't respond to it with their own formal polls and discussions, while the mods are off doing their job somewhere else to not regulate these topics.

[TJSolo]

cerberus1701 wrote...

The latter, unfortunately, is the majority of this thread. And it's been that way with pretty much every bit of DLC so far.

What do you expect the outcry to be from a string of low quality, questionable, and low price DLC? The low price of the DLC looks like it is set low to escape from being scrutinized based off of content and quality.  From reading several posts of people saying they will buy it just because it is such a low price and not care what it offers.
Business practices exploiting the poor buying rational of some consumers. Sadly, it seems the number of consumers here following that mantra is enough so EA is continuing it.

[cynicalmicahel]

What is "on the Horizion?" Just the sun setting on what we were hoping to be meaningful content.

[Urik187]

Mercuriol wrote...

Inferno Armor needs a helmet toggle.

And so does every other armor.

I second this notion.

[HTTP 404]

Urik187 wrote...

Mercuriol wrote...

Inferno Armor needs a helmet toggle.

And so does every other armor.

I second this notion.

Ill be surprised if they do but I leave same expectation of helmet toggle for ME3

[cerberus1701]

TJSolo wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

The latter, unfortunately, is the majority of this thread. And it's been that way with pretty much every bit of DLC so far.

What do you expect the outcry to be from a string of low quality, questionable, and low price DLC? The low price of the DLC looks like it is set low to escape from being scrutinized based off of content and quality.  From reading several posts of people saying they will buy it just because it is such a low price and not care what it offers.
Business practices exploiting the poor buying rational of some consumers. Sadly, it seems the number of consumers here following that mantra is enough so EA is continuing it.

So, Kasumi was low quality DLC? Check the thread when she came out. "She sucks." The Locust sucks." "It costs too much" "She should be free." "It all should be free (The thought but unsaid portion of this thought is: "It all should be free because I didn't pirate the game, so BW owes me)

It's been the same with every bit of it, even the free stuff, so please don't pretend as though they are some poor. persecuted victims of Bioware's James Bond villian-esque quest for profit.

I expect constructive feedback. I expect some maturity. I expect people to not go through life with a sense of entitlement. I expect too much, apparently.

If you want to reach them and show them you're serious about your views? Write a letter. A well constructed, well considered physical letter, and mail it. 5000 letters has a greater impact on a business these days than 50,000 nonsensical, Textglish emails or 10,000 freaking blog posts.

Modifié par cerberus1701, 06 mai 2010 - 05:37 .

[TJSolo]

cerberus1701 wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

The latter, unfortunately, is the majority of this thread. And it's been that way with pretty much every bit of DLC so far.

What do you expect the outcry to be from a string of low quality, questionable, and low price DLC? The low price of the DLC looks like it is set low to escape from being scrutinized based off of content and quality.  From reading several posts of people saying they will buy it just because it is such a low price and not care what it offers.
Business practices exploiting the poor buying rational of some consumers. Sadly, it seems the number of consumers here following that mantra is enough so EA is continuing it.

So, Kasumi was low quality DLC? Check the thread when she came out. "She sucks." The Locust sucks." "It costs too much" "She should be free." "It all should be free (The thought but unsaid portion of this thought is: "It all should be free because I didn't pirate the game, so BW owes me)

It's been the same with every bit of it, even the free stuff, so please don't pretend as though they are some poor. persecuted victims of Bioware's James Bond villian-esque quest for profit.

I expect constructive feedback. I expect some maturity. I expect people to not go through life with a sense of entitlement. I expect too much, apparently.

Will I need to list what DLC I mean? I said a string of low cost DLC. Assume away and try to bring up specific crap there is irrelevant.

What you expect is entirely subjective. It appears most of it hinges on you agreeing with what or how it is said.
I will not live up to your expectations and will post my opinion as I see fit. 

Modifié par TJSolo, 06 mai 2010 - 05:38 .

[Markopolo1980]

What can i say cerberus there will be always more or less ppl that spit there belly out becorse stuff that comes to DLC aint free, for us that had moust of the stuff lately releaset on dlc has no use becorse we all rdy did own it put we aint crying out lout well not me atleast. All we can do is wait and see what will be releaset in the future.

[cerberus1701]

TJSolo wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

The latter, unfortunately, is the majority of this thread. And it's been that way with pretty much every bit of DLC so far.

What do you expect the outcry to be from a string of low quality, questionable, and low price DLC? The low price of the DLC looks like it is set low to escape from being scrutinized based off of content and quality.  From reading several posts of people saying they will buy it just because it is such a low price and not care what it offers.
Business practices exploiting the poor buying rational of some consumers. Sadly, it seems the number of consumers here following that mantra is enough so EA is continuing it.

So, Kasumi was low quality DLC? Check the thread when she came out. "She sucks." The Locust sucks." "It costs too much" "She should be free." "It all should be free (The thought but unsaid portion of this thought is: "It all should be free because I didn't pirate the game, so BW owes me)

It's been the same with every bit of it, even the free stuff, so please don't pretend as though they are some poor. persecuted victims of Bioware's James Bond villian-esque quest for profit.

I expect constructive feedback. I expect some maturity. I expect people to not go through life with a sense of entitlement. I expect too much, apparently.

Will I need to list what DLC I mean? I said a string of low cost DLC. Assume away and try to bring up specific crap there is irrelevant.

What "string?" Two items (Three maybe if I'm forgetting something) in as many months. An appearance pack that no one needed to buy at all if they didn't feel like it. It was an appearance pack. They said it was an appearance pack. You weren't played or manipulated. Not worth the money to you? Keep your points.

The Equalizer Pack? If you have one of the other specialty armors, the visors won't do much for you. That's because it was made for people who didn't have Inferno and wanted it They threw in a couple other pieces.

"Assume away and try to bring up specific crap there is irrelevant."

Since I was talking about yours and others' reaction to the DLC up to this point, bringing up Kasumi, Firewalker, etc. is completely relevant.

Modifié par cerberus1701, 06 mai 2010 - 05:50 .

[MajikMan77]

I bought this since the Inferno Armour was never available to me in the UK (at least I don't think it was), the very low cost for this and two throwaway helmets is ok.



Had the Dr Pepper codes not been usable all over the world then I think these helmets and other items would be received a little bit better than they have.



Finally, I will add that aside from alternative costumes (toggle helmets?!) I hope this is the last of this type of DLC and that missions or something to expand the gameplay is released instead while we froth at the mouth waiting for ME3.

[cerberus1701]

I imagine there will be other appearance packs and other weapons or gadgets, certainly will be other little pieces since that seems to be what they are going to do with the preorder stuff (i.e. Inferno, other bits. Terminus, other bits, etc.)

[NErWOnek]

yeah, too bad that dragonage folks don't do that.

[TJSolo]

cerberus1701 wrote...

What "string?" Two items (Three maybe if I'm forgetting something) in as many months. An appearance pack that no one needed to buy at all if they didn't feel like it. It was an appearance pack. They said it was an appearance pack. You weren't played or manipulated. Not worth the money to you? Keep your points.

The Equalizer Pack? If you have one of the other specialty armors, the visors won't do much for you. That's because it was made for people who didn't have Inferno and wanted it They threw in a couple other pieces.

"Assume away and try to bring up specific crap there is irrelevant."

Since I was talking about yours and others' reaction to the DLC up to this point, bringing up Kasumi, Firewalker, etc. is completely relevant.

Stating that no one needed to buy an appearance pack or were manipulated in anyway are painfully obvious and rudimental facts of the B2C relationship. It seems to be the case of people trying to belittle or rationalize and ignore the fact everyone here is already fully aware of it and are commenting anyway.

The Equalizer Pack, as people have said would have been better to be split into 2 packages; One being all new content and the other being re-released content. Leaving people to buy which they want and/or need instead of forcing people that already have the Inferno armor to buy it if that only want the 2 new items. 

The low cost on the DLC is the attempt to have the content escape scrutiny. As the hope is enough people will buy this crap at low cost and ignore the fact that when scrutinized they are paying a lot for a little.

[Fingolfin09]

160 points is cheap but the dlc is not as big as i would have wanted it to be so bioware pls make some big dlc with a new squad mate that you can have a conversation with like the rest of them.

[darknoon5]

MajikMan77 wrote...

I bought this since the Inferno Armour was never available to me in the UK (at least I don't think it was), the very low cost for this and two throwaway helmets is ok.

Had the Dr Pepper codes not been usable all over the world then I think these helmets and other items would be received a little bit better than they have.

Finally, I will add that aside from alternative costumes (toggle helmets?!) I hope this is the last of this type of DLC and that missions or something to expand the gameplay is released instead while we froth at the mouth waiting for ME3.

You thought wrong-I got my Inferno armour from Amazon.co.uk-Not that it matters now-I wish I'd brought from play.com, then maybe I might consider getting this pack, crappy as it is.
But yeah. Dr pepper helmets look better and are all more useful.

[roxo945]

Wow the armor is ugly! Femshep looks like a tank lol

[Spectre921]

New missions (and dialogue please)...that is all.

Modifié par Spectre921, 06 mai 2010 - 08:14 .

[mi55ter]

Urik187 wrote...

Mercuriol wrote...

Inferno Armor needs a helmet toggle.

And so does every other armor.

I second this notion.

I bought this dlc, loaded up the inferno armor and went to go save the galaxy. You can actually see Shep's face under it much more than with the cerberus armor. I think really the only problem with this dlc is packaging the armor with the visors, which makes some people buy the armor again just to get the visors.

[inversevideo]

incinerator950 wrote...

I'm not saying it should be free, however, we are getting more complaints each time from the people bringing up old issues, or new people, who want Bioware to actually put more effort into what they produce.  For instance, I love the Arc Caster over every heavy weapon (except when I use the Cain for other jobs).  I'm still, wearing the Blood Dragon Armor my character has been wearing for the last month, because the redundancy in new Armor is not desirable and that my Biotic Damage output is higher than the Custom Armor I could attempt to make.  

Right now alot of people seem to be expressing more dissatissfaction from this DLC then satisfaction.  I happened to already have every set of DLC Armor, and I managed to get it reasonably well within a short time frame with a modest price.  I only bought this new DLC because it was somewhat moderately priced, and I wanted to see if the new items are worth it (need to test the 20% recharge rate) , so far I'm not estatic.  However, I'm letting this slide because ME2 and Dead Space are the games I intend to **** out DLC with, even if I never use half the **** I get.  I wear the N7 Armor only when I feel like looking good.

Too be fair, Kasumi was worth buying, and Cerberus Network was very generous to the players (with the exception of the Firewalker pack being only useful for giving me an extra Biotic Damage upgrade, the missions sucked).  However, I already had Inferno Armor, like somewhat a large portion of the community did.  Having to pay for two pieces of semi-decent headgear for the price of a full DLC Armor suit is a ripoff, and they should have been standalone for maby 40 MS points each, if not on the Cerberus Network regardless.

Right now the only thing I'm missing is the Incisor Sniper Rifle, which I'm patiently waiting for a release.  The Rifle seems to be the most sought of the Premium/Preorder gear next to Collector Armor, so I'm surprised they haven't released it yet.

I too already had the Inferno Armor, and I chose to buy two helmets for $2.00

It was my choice.

Bioware did not force me to make the purchase.

I 'm good with my choice. I could have opted out, since I already had the armor , butI was intrigued, by the helmets,
One sucks, one is cool, IMO. I paid the price of admission to find out.  It is not worth hating on though.

I am not saying that you, or anyone else, should not tell Bioware what you like or did not like about the download.

Providing feedback, is critical to a content provider, as they then have a basis by which to make improvements.  The more people that Bioware hears from, the better, as the sample size is larger.

But it seems that all too often people take a long strong pull of 'Haterade', prior to providing their response to new DLC; so that what you end up with does not so much resemble a constructive critique of how to improve the product, but rather a volcanic blast of bile, worthy of the 'Brood Mother'.    Instead of getting useful feedback, you get showered with emotional vomitus, and there is just no way to make practical use of that.

[AndromanceR]

Well the 5% faster powers recharge visor is pretty cool.

[cerberus1701]

TJSolo wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

What "string?" Two items (Three maybe if I'm forgetting something) in as many months. An appearance pack that no one needed to buy at all if they didn't feel like it. It was an appearance pack. They said it was an appearance pack. You weren't played or manipulated. Not worth the money to you? Keep your points.

The Equalizer Pack? If you have one of the other specialty armors, the visors won't do much for you. That's because it was made for people who didn't have Inferno and wanted it They threw in a couple other pieces.

"Assume away and try to bring up specific crap there is irrelevant."

Since I was talking about yours and others' reaction to the DLC up to this point, bringing up Kasumi, Firewalker, etc. is completely relevant.

Stating that no one needed to buy an appearance pack or were manipulated in anyway are painfully obvious and rudimental facts of the B2C relationship. It seems to be the case of people trying to belittle or rationalize and ignore the fact everyone here is already fully aware of it and are commenting anyway.

The Equalizer Pack, as people have said would have been better to be split into 2 packages; One being all new content and the other being re-released content. Leaving people to buy which they want and/or need instead of forcing people that already have the Inferno armor to buy it if that only want the 2 new items. 

The low cost on the DLC is the attempt to have the content escape scrutiny. As the hope is enough people will buy this crap at low cost and ignore the fact that when scrutinized they are paying a lot for a little.

Which in no way justifies the level of pure venom spewed over ALL of the content. Bile is not criticism just because some people call it so..

[THEE_DEATHMASTER]

Caleb58 wrote...

THEE_DEATHMASTER wrote...

For those saying 'you don't have to buy it if you don't like it,' one reason a lot of people ARE pissed is because of how much hype is built around this. "Big DLC announcement!" sort of implies NOT just pieces of armor, but actual story stuff. If they don't want such a large backlash they should at least tell us in advance it's going to be armor and stuff not just 'OMGDLC.'

Deathmaster, see below:

Michael Gamble wrote...

As i alluded to earlier, you can
expect a DLC announcement for something larger next week. Trust me,
we're very focused on supporting ME2 with DLC. Micro-content packs are
not the only things we're doing.

It would seem that this is merely the appetizer, the "BIG" announcement is yet to come.

Good to know, must've missed it.