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[ell46]

Bratt1204 wrote...

I believe it is your wedding to either Alistair (F Warden) or Anora (M Warden). I was hoping Bioware would have done this to begin with - but no - instead we are given the ability to play as Darkspawn 

Thank you, I did misunderstand, I'm looking forward to that mod, thank heavens we have such lovely people who are willing to do these mods.

I agree BW should end the game better than they did, a scene for everyone mentioned isn't necessary but the main character, yes.

To hell with DS I didn't buy it and I'm not buying the Leliana one either, I suppose they have a whole series planned one for each party memember, Oh joy  I can hardly wait to save my money

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Xandurpein wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

ell46 wrote...

I know the ending was rubbish, walking to a door expecting to see your adoring public and then nothing but a written epilogue, would it really be asking too much that BW could at least have added a video of the Kings coronation combined wedding?  I was at least expecting that.

THIS. I have commented on this time and again.

Would it have been that difficult to show a cutscene of at least the Royal wedding (Alistair/Fem Cousland//Anora/Male Cousland)?? I know, at least from the Fem Cousland perspective, that the entire game build around the blossoming romance between herself and Alistair; not showing them marrying was a huge disappointment. I was unsure whether Bioware intentionally left out a wedding scene do to a future story line but when Awakening came we found out that was certainly not the case. There are still too many loose ends left for my PC after Origin's epilogue, I will be utterly disheartened if Bioware just ended it this way 

I think that one of the reasons you see so little of the marriage, whether Alistair/FCousland or Anora/MCousland is that it's hard to do it justice without knowing what it involves. It is possible to have a purely political arrangement between FCousland and Alistair, and MCousland marrying Anora definitely is that.

In both cases when the marriage is political there is simply no room within the story for the player to explore their attitude towards the marriage in any detail. You could be aiming for a position of personal power or to be a loyal supporter of the King/Queen. Any interaction in these circumstances must be quite shallow as it must cover all bases.

I also think that Bioware is wary of making any one particular ending too iconic as they no doubt want all possible endings to be as well taken care of.

Maybe something for the modding community?

I disagree with this.  The HNF and Alistair throughout the game have the opportunity to express their love for each other so their marriage does not mean it's a political match.  Also, that line from Alistair on meeting HNF upstairs in my view does elude to the fact that his sleeping with Morrigan could have damaged your relation and he is testing the waters on where you stand on your emotions.  The HNF epilogue card does show that Alistair is totally enamoured of his new bride.  But, is she with him?  Then six months down the road you're made Warden Commander and are given a choice to return to your husband or traveling on at the end of Awakenings.   Anders is the one who refers to Alistair as you're ball and chain, or was Anders really Alistair?  So your HNF marriage to Alistair does not mean it is political unless the HNF makes it so by not returning to the palace at the end of Awakenings.   The HNM  is I think.  It could be for HNM how Anora falls in love with you her Prince Consort. 

Personally, I think in regards to relationships, Awakenings was a test of somekind on your personal love interest.  I think how you deal with the assassination attempt determines your outcome with Zevran and Leliana.  That sure looked like Zevran and Leliana in that crowd of assassions to me.   Was Zevran or Leliana the fake Dark Wolf to warn their love and get coin in the process or even Alistair?  Sounds like Zevran or Leliana.  Something that bothered me with the opening of Awakenings is why Alistair/Anora doesn't accompany you to Vigil's Keep.  You are the Queen/King of Ferelden after all, and not just a Grey Warden when playing HNF/HNM.   Awakenings opened up more questions on the love interest for me than ending them.  Another question I'd liked answered for lore purposes and possible DLC or Expanion is how it was decided You the Hero Of Ferelden was sent to Amaranthine in the first place when Orlasian Wardens were already there and arriving during Alistair/Anora's coranation.  Why did the First Warden in Weisshaupt need you in Amaranthine to begin with?  Or was it Arl Eamon's idea to send you, maybe if your marriage was political.  I guess it depends on how your RP it.

There is a possibility of post game DLC that could be developed for this.  It could begin with the Hero Of Ferelden stepping out on the balconey for the townfolk of Ferelden to see their hero.  Then meet Alistair or Anora next scene. You'd see your wedding and how  Alistair/Anora decides that your made Warden Commander and sent to Amaranthine for Awakenings.  This is the type of DLC I'd be more interested in.   In my humble opinion, this type of dlc could work.  Create a dlc for each origin story post game and return to your origin to deal with problems while your getting prepared for Amarathine.  I would just like to see Bioware/EA do this instead of DLC like DC or this Leliana thing that was just announced. 

Those with the toolset who would like to do this might get Bioware/EA approval and they buy your creation.  I think they were looking for stuff like this or did I read in the developers/toolset forum wrong.  Those with the toolset can do this.  I don't know how to use the toolset.  I'd never be able to come up with the dialogue for a mod of this.

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 23 juin 2010 - 08:29 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Dalira Montanti wrote...

If it makes anyone feel better i am working on a wedding mod
the player can see there wedding with aslistair and anora i just need some ppl to help finish it off ^^"


but i think it would work if combined with the written text after the corination
have the text in the background or something while watching what happends something liek the last lord of the rings movie type thingy

Oh gosh, you're my hero. Please let us know when this is finished.   I'm not big on downloading mods not test by BioWare, but I'd be interested in this and I'm sure all Alistair fangirls would be interested in this.  

I don't understand about mods and the toolset and I'm not comfortable on downloading this stuff, but I'd check this out and download it.

[Addai]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

I disagree with this.  The HNF and Alistair throughout the game have the opportunity to express their love for each other so their marriage does not mean it's a political match.  Also, that line from Alistair on meeting HNF upstairs in my view does elude to the fact that his sleeping with Morrigan could have damaged your relation and he is testing the waters on where you stand on your emotions.  The HNF epilogue card does show that Alistair is totally enamoured of his new bride.  But, is she with him?  Then six months down the road you're made Warden Commander and are given a choice to return to your husband or traveling on at the end of Awakenings.   Anders is the one who refers to Alistair as you're ball and chain, or was Anders really Alistair?  So your HNF marriage to Alistair does not mean it is political unless the HNF makes it so by not returning to the palace at the end of Awakenings.   The HNM  is I think.  It could be for HNM how Anora falls in love with you her Prince Consort. 

I won't presume to speak for Xandurpein, but I agree with him that the Alistair/HNF marriage is a political one.  I think the misunderstanding could be that we're talking about the marriage being political, not the relationship.  If Alistair is made king, his marriage will of necessity be political.  The fact that it can be a love match is icing on the cake, but the cake still has to be a match that is suitable to the stuffed shirts at the Landsmeet.  It's not a fairytale scenario.

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

I disagree with this.  The HNF and Alistair throughout the game have the opportunity to express their love for each other so their marriage does not mean it's a political match.  Also, that line from Alistair on meeting HNF upstairs in my view does elude to the fact that his sleeping with Morrigan could have damaged your relation and he is testing the waters on where you stand on your emotions.  The HNF epilogue card does show that Alistair is totally enamoured of his new bride.  But, is she with him?  Then six months down the road you're made Warden Commander and are given a choice to return to your husband or traveling on at the end of Awakenings.   Anders is the one who refers to Alistair as you're ball and chain, or was Anders really Alistair?  So your HNF marriage to Alistair does not mean it is political unless the HNF makes it so by not returning to the palace at the end of Awakenings.   The HNM  is I think.  It could be for HNM how Anora falls in love with you her Prince Consort. 

I won't presume to speak for Xandurpein, but I agree with him that the Alistair/HNF marriage is a political one.  I think the misunderstanding could be that we're talking about the marriage being political, not the relationship.  If Alistair is made king, his marriage will of necessity be political.  The fact that it can be a love match is icing on the cake, but the cake still has to be a match that is suitable to the stuffed shirts at the Landsmeet.  It's not a fairytale scenario.

I agree, the marriage is most definitely political.  The fact that it can take place at any approval level for Alistair (if hardened) or neutral and above (if not hardened) shows that it is.  Now, he's happier about it if he's in love, but the marriage itself has all sorts of politics involved.

[ejoslin]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...


Personally, I think in regards to relationships, Awakenings was a test of somekind on your personal love interest.  I think how you deal with the assassination attempt determines your outcome with Zevran and Leliana.  That sure looked like Zevran and Leliana in that crowd of assassions to me.   Was Zevran or Leliana the fake Dark Wolf to warn their love and get coin in the process or even Alistair?  Sounds like Zevran or Leliana.  Something that bothered me with the opening of Awakenings is why Alistair/Anora doesn't accompany you to Vigil's Keep.  You are the Queen/King of Ferelden after all, and not just a Grey Warden when playing HNF/HNM.   Awakenings opened up more questions on the love interest for me than ending them.  Another question I'd liked answered for lore purposes and possible DLC or Expanion is how it was decided You the Hero Of Ferelden was sent to Amaranthine in the first place when Orlasian Wardens were already there and arriving during Alistair/Anora's coranation.  Why did the First Warden in Weisshaupt need you in Amaranthine to begin with?  Or was it Arl Eamon's idea to send you, maybe if your marriage was political.  I guess it depends on how your RP it.

Waaaaa?  Leliana was never a crow.  Zevran, according to the letter that will be put in, was trying to deal with the crows to get them off of him.  

Zevran and the warden can end up engaged.  Leliana and the warden can make a commitment to each other as well.  WHY do you think that they would be trying to assassinate the Warden or that attempt would have anything to do with the relationship?  Anyway, they were both busy during that time -- Leliana doing work for the Chantry and Zevran dealing with the Crows in Antiva.

It sounds like you want a lot of extras put in for one origin and one decision that origin can (but doesn't necessarily) make.

Want to know what bugged me (well, aside from kneeling)?  That my political marriage to Alistair was not acknowledged as such.  My CousCous ended married to Alistair with Zevran as the love interest agreeing to stay with her and helping rebuild the Grey Wardens (confirmed by the Epilogue card -- he was supposed to be there).  Why wasn't he, as MY epilogue card said, helping rebuild the grey wardens?

I'm not actually asking for an answer to that (because I understand why not) -- I'm just pointing out how difficult it would be to accomodate EVERYONE'S choice.  As it was, my Queen Cousland got shafted in Awakening to a far greater extent than people who married him for love. 

Keep in mind, Zevran and the Warden can end up engaged too.  They deserve a wedding as well!  I'm seriously looking forward to Charsen's wedding mod 

[SOLID_EVEREST]

I was actually expecting the warden to step out into a huge flash of sunlight, and then the epilogue would kick in. I know my imagination was cheap, but I really thought that would happen for some reason...

[ell46]

That is exactly what I was expecting, the wedding etc came later when I did the Queen ending.

[gemc123]

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...

I was actually expecting the warden to step out into a huge flash of sunlight, and then the epilogue would kick in. I know my imagination was cheap, but I really thought that would happen for some reason...

Me too! I know it doesn't add much, but that is how I envisioned it when Alistair said I had to greet my adoring crowd...and then nothing. ah well.

[ell46]

It was a bit like snuffing out a candle, one minute flame and then nothing, no crowd, no fading in or out of anything and to be honest I wasn't interested in most of the epilogues eg brother Berkal   I don't give a fig what happened to most of them apart from my PCs and my character.

[Fault Girl]

 It would have been awesome, say they mixed a bit of both.

Say when you walk out, kept it simple just your PC greeting the crowd and the camera like pans over different people who you influenced and when they were in shot, a slide would appear saying what happened to them etc etc.

Then at the just a simple shot of your character depending on what marriage either walking down an aisle or standing, or just you and your chosen LI on a balcony  (all dress nicely hinting at after wedding) over looking towards Amarathine (sorry can't remember how to spell it) saying what was going to happened towards DLC.

That would have made my day 

[Giggles_Manically]

The ending is seriosly like "A nuts no more time, or money! Quick somebody grab powerpoint!"

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

ejoslin wrote...

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...


Personally, I think in regards to relationships, Awakenings was a test of somekind on your personal love interest.  I think how you deal with the assassination attempt determines your outcome with Zevran and Leliana.  That sure looked like Zevran and Leliana in that crowd of assassions to me.   Was Zevran or Leliana the fake Dark Wolf to warn their love and get coin in the process or even Alistair?  Sounds like Zevran or Leliana.  Something that bothered me with the opening of Awakenings is why Alistair/Anora doesn't accompany you to Vigil's Keep.  You are the Queen/King of Ferelden after all, and not just a Grey Warden when playing HNF/HNM.   Awakenings opened up more questions on the love interest for me than ending them.  Another question I'd liked answered for lore purposes and possible DLC or Expanion is how it was decided You the Hero Of Ferelden was sent to Amaranthine in the first place when Orlasian Wardens were already there and arriving during Alistair/Anora's coranation.  Why did the First Warden in Weisshaupt need you in Amaranthine to begin with?  Or was it Arl Eamon's idea to send you, maybe if your marriage was political.  I guess it depends on how your RP it.

Waaaaa?  Leliana was never a crow.  Zevran, according to the letter that will be put in, was trying to deal with the crows to get them off of him.  

Zevran and the warden can end up engaged.  Leliana and the warden can make a commitment to each other as well.  WHY do you think that they would be trying to assassinate the Warden or that attempt would have anything to do with the relationship?  Anyway, they were both busy during that time -- Leliana doing work for the Chantry and Zevran dealing with the Crows in Antiva.

It sounds like you want a lot of extras put in for one origin and one decision that origin can (but doesn't necessarily) make.

Want to know what bugged me (well, aside from kneeling)?  That my political marriage to Alistair was not acknowledged as such.  My CousCous ended married to Alistair with Zevran as the love interest agreeing to stay with her and helping rebuild the Grey Wardens (confirmed by the Epilogue card -- he was supposed to be there).  Why wasn't he, as MY epilogue card said, helping rebuild the grey wardens?

I'm not actually asking for an answer to that (because I understand why not) -- I'm just pointing out how difficult it would be to accomodate EVERYONE'S choice.  As it was, my Queen Cousland got shafted in Awakening to a far greater extent than people who married him for love. 

Keep in mind, Zevran and the Warden can end up engaged too.  They deserve a wedding as well!  I'm seriously looking forward to Charsen's wedding mod 

If you'd read all of my post, you would have seen that I said dlc for all origins, not just HNF/HNM.   I see how it is possible for them to do dlc for each origin to have that baloney scene and to make a connection to Awakenings. 

If I make Alistair King, then I make sure HNF and him are 100% love.   Bundle the dlc together as standalone for each origin.  It really wouldn't be that difficult if mods can do this.  Personally, I think people would buy this type of content, just my humble opinion.  Since I'm not running the show, I'll have to roleplay the hard way, no visual effects! 

Also, Leliana is a bard and therefore is an assassin......killer for hire. 

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 26 juin 2010 - 04:46 .

[ell46]

Thank you for the update, I'll take a look at the romantic lovers group.

[Bratt1204]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

ell46 wrote...

I know the ending was rubbish, walking to a door expecting to see your adoring public and then nothing but a written epilogue, would it really be asking too much that BW could at least have added a video of the Kings coronation combined wedding?  I was at least expecting that.

THIS. I have commented on this time and again.

Would it have been that difficult to show a cutscene of at least the Royal wedding (Alistair/Fem Cousland//Anora/Male Cousland)?? I know, at least from the Fem Cousland perspective, that the entire game build around the blossoming romance between herself and Alistair; not showing them marrying was a huge disappointment. I was unsure whether Bioware intentionally left out a wedding scene do to a future story line but when Awakening came we found out that was certainly not the case. There are still too many loose ends left for my PC after Origin's epilogue, I will be utterly disheartened if Bioware just ended it this way 

I think that one of the reasons you see so little of the marriage, whether Alistair/FCousland or Anora/MCousland is that it's hard to do it justice without knowing what it involves. It is possible to have a purely political arrangement between FCousland and Alistair, and MCousland marrying Anora definitely is that.

In both cases when the marriage is political there is simply no room within the story for the player to explore their attitude towards the marriage in any detail. You could be aiming for a position of personal power or to be a loyal supporter of the King/Queen. Any interaction in these circumstances must be quite shallow as it must cover all bases.

I also think that Bioware is wary of making any one particular ending too iconic as they no doubt want all possible endings to be as well taken care of.

Maybe something for the modding community?

I disagree with this.  The HNF and Alistair throughout the game have the opportunity to express their love for each other so their marriage does not mean it's a political match.  Also, that line from Alistair on meeting HNF upstairs in my view does elude to the fact that his sleeping with Morrigan could have damaged your relation and he is testing the waters on where you stand on your emotions.  The HNF epilogue card does show that Alistair is totally enamoured of his new bride.  But, is she with him?  Then six months down the road you're made Warden Commander and are given a choice to return to your husband or traveling on at the end of Awakenings.   Anders is the one who refers to Alistair as you're ball and chain, or was Anders really Alistair?  So your HNF marriage to Alistair does not mean it is political unless the HNF makes it so by not returning to the palace at the end of Awakenings.   The HNM  is I think.  It could be for HNM how Anora falls in love with you her Prince Consort. 

Personally, I think in regards to relationships, Awakenings was a test of somekind on your personal love interest.  I think how you deal with the assassination attempt determines your outcome with Zevran and Leliana.  That sure looked like Zevran and Leliana in that crowd of assassions to me.   Was Zevran or Leliana the fake Dark Wolf to warn their love and get coin in the process or even Alistair?  Sounds like Zevran or Leliana.  Something that bothered me with the opening of Awakenings is why Alistair/Anora doesn't accompany you to Vigil's Keep.  You are the Queen/King of Ferelden after all, and not just a Grey Warden when playing HNF/HNM.   Awakenings opened up more questions on the love interest for me than ending them.  Another question I'd liked answered for lore purposes and possible DLC or Expanion is how it was decided You the Hero Of Ferelden was sent to Amaranthine in the first place when Orlasian Wardens were already there and arriving during Alistair/Anora's coranation.  Why did the First Warden in Weisshaupt need you in Amaranthine to begin with?  Or was it Arl Eamon's idea to send you, maybe if your marriage was political.  I guess it depends on how your RP it.

There is a possibility of post game DLC that could be developed for this.  It could begin with the Hero Of Ferelden stepping out on the balconey for the townfolk of Ferelden to see their hero.  Then meet Alistair or Anora next scene. You'd see your wedding and how  Alistair/Anora decides that your made Warden Commander and sent to Amaranthine for Awakenings.  This is the type of DLC I'd be more interested in.   In my humble opinion, this type of dlc could work.  Create a dlc for each origin story post game and return to your origin to deal with problems while your getting prepared for Amarathine.  I would just like to see Bioware/EA do this instead of DLC like DC or this Leliana thing that was just announced. 

Those with the toolset who would like to do this might get Bioware/EA approval and they buy your creation.  I think they were looking for stuff like this or did I read in the developers/toolset forum wrong.  Those with the toolset can do this.  I don't know how to use the toolset.  I'd never be able to come up with the dialogue for a mod of this.

I could not agree with you more.

I have no idea why Bioware is making these idiotic DLCs. It appears as if they sit around thinking up rubbish no one would ever really want to play, then make it into DLC.  If they were to make  quality DLC for a HN continuation showing your marriage to Alistair/Anora, they would make a killing on it. The HNF storyline with Alistair as your love interest must be one of the most popular story-lines out there and Bioware does not see the potential in creating DLC with this storyline?? Go figure 

[Bratt1204]

Dalira Montanti wrote...

Bratt1204 wrote...

ell46 wrote...

Dalira Montanti wrote...

If it makes anyone feel better i am working on a wedding mod
the player can see there wedding with aslistair and anora i just need some ppl to help finish it off ^^"


but i think it would work if combined with the written text after the corination
have the text in the background or something while watching what happends something liek the last lord of the rings movie type thingy

Have I understood this correctly, that you are making a mod which shows the wedding of Alistair TO Anora?

I believe it is your wedding to either Alistair (F Warden) or Anora (M Warden). I was hoping Bioware would have done this to begin with - but no - instead we are given the ability to play as Darkspawn 

sorry took me a while to post back
yes the wedding mod is coming along nicely if you guys want to join the romantic lovers gruop for updates ur more than welcome to join.

The wedding will be with Alistair and female warden and male warden with anora and anora and Alistair
and it will take place as soon as you open the doors fter the kings conrination
I thaught be a good idea all ready got the mod started

Oh, I cannot wait !! That is just fantastic