Siradix wrote...
If voting for Harrowmont to be king seemed right; the upper class citizens spoke louder to you and/or you are viewing their society through your own of what is right.
Willowhugger wrote...
The best ending is Harrowmount and Dwarf noble.
I.e. you as King.
Herr Uhl wrote...
Siradix wrote...
If voting for Harrowmont to be king seemed right; the upper class citizens spoke louder to you and/or you are viewing their society through your own of what is right.
I usually view society from my perspective.
Is there any point to this post other than saying that unless you see it as Bhelen being better, your view is inferior and biased?
soignee wrote...
Willowhugger wrote...
The best ending is Harrowmount and Dwarf noble.
I.e. you as King.
Or queen!
*puts on crown*
Siradix wrote...
Herr Uhl wrote...
Is there any point to this post other than saying that unless you see it as Bhelen being better, your view is inferior and biased?
Based on how the epilogue turned out, yes.
eucatastrophe wrote...
soignee wrote...
Willowhugger wrote...
The best ending is Harrowmount and Dwarf noble.
I.e. you as King.
Or queen!
*puts on crown*
Queens are better in light of the fact that dwarf women are just plain awesome
eucatastrophe wrote...
soignee wrote...
Willowhugger wrote...
The best ending is Harrowmount and Dwarf noble.
I.e. you as King.
Or queen!
*puts on crown*
Queens are better in light of the fact that dwarf women are just plain awesome
Guest_Elps_*
Herr Uhl wrote...
Siradix wrote...
Herr Uhl wrote...
Is there any point to this post other than saying that unless you see it as Bhelen being better, your view is inferior and biased?
Based on how the epilogue turned out, yes.
As put earlier in this thread, unless he finds an equally suitable heir as him, it might hit the fan when he dies. If playing a dwarven noble and choosing Harrowmont, your PC could become king/queen in a matter of years.
Elps wrote...
Herr Uhl wrote...
As put earlier in this thread, unless he finds an equally suitable heir as him, it might hit the fan when he dies. If playing a dwarven noble and choosing Harrowmont, your PC could become king/queen in a matter of years.
Only if the Assembly supports you. Kings can name the person they want to succeed them but the deschers decide who goes on the throne.
Herr Uhl wrote...
Elps wrote...
Herr Uhl wrote...
As put earlier in this thread, unless he finds an equally suitable heir as him, it might hit the fan when he dies. If playing a dwarven noble and choosing Harrowmont, your PC could become king/queen in a matter of years.
Only if the Assembly supports you. Kings can name the person they want to succeed them but the deschers decide who goes on the throne.
But going against the kings request is probably something that they won't do unless you are a **** extraordinaire.
All it says is Harrowmont dies and the Assembly looks for a successor but the Assembly has always loved you (Bhelen has to bribe half of them to throw you out), you've killed the deshyrs on Bhelen's side, Harrowmont names you the heir to House Aeducan, you're the only living Paragon...you've got a ridiculously strong case.Taritu wrote...
If you're DN, throne Harrowmont, and destroy the anvil, don't you wind up as king after Harrowmont falls? (Never finished a DN game.)
Willowhugger wrote...
The best ending is Harrowmount and Dwarf noble.
I.e. you as King.
Dace wasn't looking to give casteless rights, he wanted to restore the castes/Houses of surface dwarves. This would have cost the other Houses (namely Helmi and Aeducan) money because a surface guild containing formerly Helmi and Aeducan - among other Houses - dwarves owed Dace a lot of money and restoring their castes would obligate the noble Houses to pay up. 'In the short term, I agree. But if you remember the conversation with Lord Dace in the Dwarf Noble Origin giving the castless rights has an economic impact on the noble houses. I'm not convinced Bhelen was interested in helping the castless. I think he was interested in weakening the noble houses to make his position stronger.
The dwarven epilogues say nothing about who succeeds either Harrowmont OR Bhelen but there is a good chance that should a competent DN be in Orzammar and interested (they don't have to fail at politics just because Bhelen is better, after all) that they can succeed Harrowmont. In addition to all the other advantages (heir to House Aeducan, Paragon, ended Blight, common people love them, enemies in Assembly dead in coup), Harrowmont is also fond of them so wouldn't have a problem with them taking over.One a side note, how do you get to be heir as a Dwarf Noble? I played one through once and didn't see anything in the epilogue.
The Dwarven court is going to be full of people as untrustworthy as him regardless of whether he's on the throne or not. Orzammar politics won't allow anything else, they're so cutthroat, an honest trustworthy man cannot attain the throne and accomplish anything meaningful. No, I'm afraid the best thing for Orzammar is a reformer who has what it takes to cow the corrupt nobility to submission...which is exactly what Bhelen is.flagondotcom wrote...
If playing a DN, the best thing for Orzammar is for the PC to come back with a crown and crown themselves.
Both Bhelen and Harrowmont are horribly flawed--Bhelen will make some needed reforms but surrounds himself with people as untrustworthy as is he, while Harrowmont wants the stagnated status quo.
A reformer who can be trusted is what's needed, and the game doesn't give that option.
Modifié par Xetirox, 04 mai 2010 - 07:24 .
It's not in the epilogue -- Gorim is the one that tells you that you're heir to House Aeducan in the coronation ceremony regardless of who is king. (Whether or not you return, Gorim will put your house to order for you.) If you do the ultimate sacrifice, then you get all honors restored so you can be buried next to your father.Thomas9321 wrote...
One a side note, how do you get to be heir as a Dwarf Noble? I played one through once and didn't see anything in the epilogue.
Modifié par Gilsa, 04 mai 2010 - 08:11 .
Who said anything about the DN being a saint? They've been raised in the dwarven court as a potential heir, same as Bhelen. Just because they may have balked at commiting fratricide or not been as ruthless as Bhelen doesn't mean they would fail as a ruler and since the DN is an only child if Harrowmont is King it's no longer relevant. Harrowmont's biggest problem is he lets the Assembly have too much power. He feels that the King should mostly serve as figurehead while the Assembly really rules things, which leads to them being constantly deadlocked.Xetirox wrote...
The Dwarven court is going to be full of people as untrustworthy as him regardless of whether he's on the throne or not. Orzammar politics won't allow anything else, they're so cutthroat, an honest trustworthy man cannot attain the throne and accomplish anything meaningful. No, I'm afraid the best thing for Orzammar is a reformer who has what it takes to cow the corrupt nobility to submission...which is exactly what Bhelen is.flagondotcom wrote...
If playing a DN, the best thing for Orzammar is for the PC to come back with a crown and crown themselves.
Both Bhelen and Harrowmont are horribly flawed--Bhelen will make some needed reforms but surrounds himself with people as untrustworthy as is he, while Harrowmont wants the stagnated status quo.
A reformer who can be trusted is what's needed, and the game doesn't give that option.
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