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[bas273]

SmokeyNinjas wrote...

bas273 wrote...

I vote for Garrus, because he could handle himself pretty well on Omega.

Like when he got his whole team killed:D

I voted Thane IMO most skilled & honorable squadmate you get.
Plus i'm sure if Cerberus can bring shep back from the dead then curing Thane should be within within the realm of
possibility

Good point, I forgot about that fact
Legion would be very interesting as a Spectre, because he could try to infiltrate the Geth.

[Lord Coake]

Garrus all the way. He's got all the skills he'd need, and is pretty much unstoppable without thenuse the antitank weaponry. He's got the right mindset, too.



Out of all the others...Hm. I'd like to say Kasumi, but I don't think she'd really do well with all the responsibilities Spectres have on their shoulders. Yeah, they get to make pretty much all their own rules, but Spectres have a tremendous duty and a staggering amount of trust put in them. I don't think Kasumi would do well.



Actually, I'll put Tali forward here. She's completely devoted to her duties, almost to the exclusion of all else, her combat skills are honed, her technical skills unmatched, and she's already proven capable of investigation, negotiation, and most important of all, leading people in the field. She'd be intimidated by all the trust and responsibility a Spectre has to shoulder, but anyone sane would be, and I think she'd bu up to it.



Actually, all things considered, Tali would be one hell of a Spectre.

[Nostradamoose]

Zaeed, Garrus or Jacob...



Those are my choices...

[Inquisitor Recon]

Jacob may be a good soldier and he can lead a squad. But I can't imagine him being able to put up with the council for very long.
Miranda could easily be a candidate, but her loyalties are to humanity first and so she is unlikely to be chosen.
Garrus could do the job, if the council would give him enough leeway to get things done his own way.
Zaeed may be a bit too badass for the Spectres. It would be illegal for the council to use him as a Spectre, considering he is a walking weapon of mass destruction.
Besides for those I don't think anybody else on the Normandy could fit the bill.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 05 mai 2010 - 05:23 .

[Nostradamoose]

You think Zaeed is too badass? What about Shepard? He used a nuke to blow up a krogan base.

Zaeed would be perfect...


And yea, someone mentionned Kasumi. Her subtlety might very well make her a good candidate as well

Modifié par Nostradamoose, 05 mai 2010 - 05:30 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Nostradamoose wrote...

You think Zaeed is too badass? What about Shepard? He used a nuke to blow up a krogan base.

Zaeed would be perfect

To be more serious, Zaeed could do the job. Yet he is getting a bit old and there is no way in hell he would get along with the council.

"Zaeed we have a..."
"I don't have time for your gawddamn bull****!"

[smecky-kitteh]

garrus

miranda

jacob.

[Nostradamoose]

ReconTeam wrote...

Nostradamoose wrote...

You think Zaeed is too badass? What about Shepard? He used a nuke to blow up a krogan base.

Zaeed would be perfect

To be more serious, Zaeed could do the job. Yet he is getting a bit old and there is no way in hell he would get along with the council.

"Zaeed we have a..."
"I don't have time for your gawddamn bull****!"

Hey! As long as he's paid, he wouldn't care

[Blackbaron15]

To be honest Garrus is abit to unlucky to be a spectre Im sure he would do some good but then all **** will hit the fan. I voted for Thane dont know why just seems like he has the best intentions.

[Zaisha_temp]

Garrus.
To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if he already is a (undercover) spectre. He has the background and the events of ME1 would give him the reputation nessesary to be put forward and accepted.
 
I've always found it a bit suspicious that the vigilante Turian who alledgedly no status whatsoever with the Council and the Hierarchy is somehow in a position to hand over the design details to the Hierarchy's top-secret new superweapon. (The fact that Cerberus, with all it's intel resources and contacts, doesn't have access to it means it's not exactly something you pick at any dodgy tech broker.)

A similar "spectre candidate" argument would go for the Virmire survivor, since the Alliance us apparently putting forth lots of Human candidates and they'd have the credentials. And there they are, on Horizon on a covert assignment for a Council race, with a "surprisingly well classified" service record and knowledge of sensitive intel regarding Sheppard and Cerberus....

[Alamar2078]

IIRC Garrus was in line to be a potential Spectre and dropped out because daddy didn't like Spectres



I tend to agree that most of the other candidates wouldn't be good fits due to past associations, temperment, etc. Kaiden wouldn't be a bad next choice but he doesn't strike me as a good candidate for a "get the job done at any price" sort of guy.

[RGFrog]

Wasn't a spectre someone the council could trust to take care of special projects? I don't think the council could trust any of Shep's crew to do that. Especially not Garrus who left c-sec when they obviously needed him there.

Also, Garrus was working in the Terminus system and lost his whole team and frankly would be dead if Shep didn't show up to save him...So, definitely no to Garrus who can't get the job done in a place where there are no laws that need to be circumvented.

Sorry, but I don't see any of the crew becoming spectre for the mere reason that they are part of shep's crew and not out doing or proving to the council they can do the jobs that need doing in council space.

Jacob probably could do the job, but he's tainted by Cerb. I'd be happy to see him go and die anyway, but he'd never be given the job by the council and couldn't handle the council as a prev. poster pointed out.

Miri, she's too sexy for the job and tainted by Cerb.

Jack is insane and at best would be another Saren and at worst destroy everything.

Morinth would screw the galaxy dead and Samara is already justicar and outside of anything the council would want.

Grunt is just now a krogan and really hasn't proven his character in any way beyond that of a newborn.

Thane is practically dead, and while a likely choice, is a hitman. Not an investigator and fixer of things that need fixing beyond a bullet to the brain.

Kelly would spread scale itch throughout council space.

Joker would shatter... he's a glass man.

Zaeed makes too much money to stoop to being bossed around by aliens.

Tali would make a good spectre. She's proven loyal to those giving out orders and is a survivor. But is Quarian and the council hates them.

Kasumi would never accept the position and would never be offered it as she's a ghost and makes far more money looting. The council wouldn't give her a free pass to be thief unless she was their thief and she'd never allow that.

[lovgreno]

Morinth would be a good spectre actualy. Sure she is a psychopath and sociopath and cares nothing for the galaxy or the council. But she is smart enough to understand that without the council things would fall into chaos and that would ruin her hunting grounds. The only ones who knows she is a monster is Shepard and Samara, just about everyone else she can easily charm to do what she want. "Eliminating individuals who are a threat to galactic stability" would be a great cover for her vampiristic habits.

[AnathamaDye]

Kasumi.  She is very good at being unnoticed and probably has assasination skills on par with Thane (though he's not a spectre). 
Garrus is an obvious choice but I also pick him.
Thane is another good one.
Miranda.....no.
Jack is one of my favs but I don't think so.
Tali...um, I doubt they would let that happen.  Quarians aren't looked well upon by the council.
...i'm too lazy to list the others.

[Lord Coake]

Keep in mind, the only benchmark for how Spectres work is Shepard, and really, for someone whos supposed to be a subtle, discreet shadow operative, Shepard pretty much sucks. She's too public, too famous, and honestly, too prone to shotgun diplomacy. Sheps a awesome commando, but a pretty lackluster operative.

Not every problem a Spectre will face can be solved with combat armor and a shotgun blast to the face, after all. Personally, I'd love to see an older Spectre finally come down on Shepard from that angle. "You make too much goddamed noise, Shepard!"

[Xivai]

Legion. Well if we go by fluff and not in game mechanics he is above and beyond qualified in skill... and every other way.



The only thing he doesn't have going for him is that enemy militaries would know he is a Geth, but we have all seen how dumb civilians are apparently. So he's as good as any other robot walking around amongst a crowd. No one would even suspect him of being anything other than a funky looking tour guide bot.



With his extensive database, and unequaled hacking skills (Geth have been monitoring the galaxy a looong time). With him constantly being able to upgrade he could continually be ahead of the curve.



If he get's into trouble he is packing way more firepower than most alliance.... platoons. He can semi auto what is essentially an anti vehicle cannon with deadly precision unmatched by anyone int he galaxy. Even in game he is ****ing accurate as hell and rarely misses.



He has no down side. Other than him not being able to hide what he really is from the military, but that doesn't necessarily mean he couldn't hide from them easily.

[Zaisha_temp]

Lord Coake wrote...

Keep in mind, the only benchmark for how Spectres work is Shepard, and really, for someone whos supposed to be a subtle, discreet shadow operative, Shepard pretty much sucks. She's too public, too famous, and honestly, too prone to shotgun diplomacy. Sheps a awesome commando, but a pretty lackluster operative.
Not every problem a Spectre will face can be solved with combat armor and a shotgun blast to the face, after all. Personally, I'd love to see an older Spectre finally come down on Shepard from that angle. "You make too much goddamed noise, Shepard!"

There are likely as many types (and operating styles) of Spectre as there are Spectres, they are each selected for outstanding individual performance. Sheppard's appointment as a Spectre was probably as loudly trumpeted as it was becaus Shepard is more a highly skilled commando than an investigator. (and likely the Alliance's pick as first human Spectre because a commando can be highly visible and thus a good political display)

With the commando types it's good if they're well known and feared by their targets. The covert infiltrator/investigator types are probably not known to be Spectres by anyone but the council. (oh, and the Salarians, who know everything about everybody+)

[Kid_SixXx]

Garrus, Mordin, or Thane.

[Pacifien]

RGFrog wrote...
Wasn't a spectre someone the council could trust to take care of special projects? I don't think the council could trust any of Shep's crew to do that. Especially not Garrus who left c-sec when they obviously needed him there.
*snip list*

So I notice you gave a reason why every squadmate was unsuitable for Spectre status except for Mordin.

[Pacifien]

Zaisha_temp wrote...
*snip*
With the commando types it's good if they're well known and feared by their targets. The covert infiltrator/investigator types are probably not known to be Spectres by anyone but the council. (oh, and the Salarians, who know everything about everybody+)

I'm starting to wonder if Spectres are in any way covert. Shepard certainly isn't. Saren wasn't. I'd say Nihlus wasn't since Samara knew he was a Spectre. There's even a Spectre named in the Ceberus Daily News. And it looks like a Spectre would have to be very open about their status to gain access to places like Noveria.

However, the Council used Kirrahe's STG unit for infiltration in ME1 and indicated they had many units operating covertly, only giving Shepard information from one that seemed connected to his search for Saren. It gives me the impression that Spectres are a very visible right hand of the Council while they use other methods when discretion is key.

[Khayness]

Garrus. I was expecting him to be a Spectre by ME2 actually. He quit and became a gun calibrator specialist instead

[bas273]

Pacifien wrote...

Zaisha_temp wrote...
*snip*
With the commando types it's good if they're well known and feared by their targets. The covert infiltrator/investigator types are probably not known to be Spectres by anyone but the council. (oh, and the Salarians, who know everything about everybody+)

I'm starting to wonder if Spectres are in any way covert. Shepard certainly isn't. Saren wasn't. I'd say Nihlus wasn't since Samara knew he was a Spectre. There's even a Spectre named in the Ceberus Daily News. And it looks like a Spectre would have to be very open about their status to gain access to places like Noveria.

However, the Council used Kirrahe's STG unit for infiltration in ME1 and indicated they had many units operating covertly, only giving Shepard information from one that seemed connected to his search for Saren. It gives me the impression that Spectres are a very visible right hand of the Council while they use other methods when discretion is key.

I think the Council needs all kinds of Spectres. People who are good at infiltrating, have incredible biotic powers or are an example for their race (Shepard). Spectres are their first and final line of defense. That means they need assassins, thieves, rogues, diplomats, soldiers, pilots... most Spectres are able to fulfill many roles of course (driving a vehicle/ship, using guns).

So it depends on what you're looking for in a Spectre. Finding someone who's good at everything, a jack-of-all-trades, will probably also mean that he doesn't excel at anything.
For that matter, Liara would be a great Biotic Spectre, Tali a good Engineer Spectre and Joker the best pilot Spectre in the entire galaxy.

[C9316]

I would also have to say Garrus because he is of course skilled and I think in ME1 he spoke of getting or undergoing spectre training.



I also think Kasumi would make a good spectre hell she'd be able to do the things the council needs without even being detected.



and maybe Jacob.......maybe

[Pacifien]

bas273 wrote...
*snip*
So it depends on what you're looking for in a Spectre. Finding someone who's good at everything, a jack-of-all-trades, will probably also mean that he doesn't excel at anything.

I think the Council is looking for those who truly are jack-of-all-trades and excel at it all to become Spectres. That's what makes Spectres the absolute elite. We're talking a particularly singular individual from a pool of billions.

I guess it depends on just how many Spectres there truly are. I don't know why, but I was given the impression the number of active Spectres was infinitely small given the size and population of Council space. That's why I imagine there are many other types of agencies and covert operatives (such as Asari commandos, STG, even N7 marines now) that the Council uses. However, if we're talking thousands of Spectres, then I can see some of them playing more specialized roles.

[incinerator950]

Mordin, although he said he's nearing the end of his lifespan.



Garrus, or Kaidan or possibly Ashley even.