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[Axalphan]

My choices are based on skills, personnal interest on squad mate, fine exemple of their respective race



ME1

1st Garrus

2nd Kaidan

3rd Ashley

4th Liara

5th Tali

6th Wrex





ME2



1st Garrus

2nd Mordin

3rd Tali

4th Legion

5th Samara

6th Kasumi

7th Zaeed

8th Miranda

9th Thane

10th Jacob

11th Grunt

12th Jack

[RGFrog]

Pacifien wrote...

RGFrog wrote...
Wasn't a spectre someone the council could trust to take care of special projects? I don't think the council could trust any of Shep's crew to do that. Especially not Garrus who left c-sec when they obviously needed him there.
*snip list*

So I notice you gave a reason why every squadmate was unsuitable for Spectre status except for Mordin.

Sorry it was late and I knew I'd forgotten someone.

Why Mordin wouldn't cut it:

He's 50 some odd years old. He's at the end of his lifecycle unless he's come up with a way to extend it.

Also, he's already been a part of his race's form of Spectre and I doubt would want to come under the contol of the council.

While he would make a great Spectre, he'd also make a terrible one seeing how he's prone to distraction and would rather be in a lab than in the field.

[RGFrog]

Pacifien wrote...
I think the Council is looking for those who truly are jack-of-all-trades and excel at it all to become Spectres. That's what makes Spectres the absolute elite. We're talking a particularly singular individual from a pool of billions.

I guess it depends on just how many Spectres there truly are. I don't know why, but I was given the impression the number of active Spectres was infinitely small given the size and population of Council space. That's why I imagine there are many other types of agencies and covert operatives (such as Asari commandos, STG, even N7 marines now) that the Council uses. However, if we're talking thousands of Spectres, then I can see some of them playing more specialized roles.

Hmm... I took the whole Spectre position as one for which a being was uniquely qualified to get the job done. Meaning he/she/it had definable skills but also was averse to any kind of red tape.

I always took it that the council wanted a way to get jobs done without the need for meetings, reports, and due process.

I never took the Spectres as a "covert" group, either. They were enforcers and executers meant to scare the public at large into following the rules. Do something stupid and you could possible loose your life at their hands rather than lose a bit of money to a lawyer that could possibly get you out of your legal troubles...

[bas273]

According to the Wiki:
They have one primary goal: preserve galactic stability by any means necessary. They are above the law and will do whatever it takes to complete their mission. Spectres either work alone or in small groups depending on what style they prefer.

So they can work in a small groups. Doesn't every squad mate of Shepard (and especially the old squadmates: Garrus and Tali) deserve to be a Spectre if they want (it gives them extra priviliges which could come in handy in their battle against Sovereign/the Reapers!).

Shepard is a Spectre, he can do whatever he want. But his squadmates are responsible for their deeds.

Modifié par bas273, 06 mai 2010 - 06:15 .

[Zanramon]

Legion has no emotion so will get the job done no matter what.

Modifié par Zanramon, 06 mai 2010 - 09:13 .

[RyrineaNara]

I would think that Garrus would be a good spectre  well mabey Kaidan depending, if you let him live, or not.. My reasoning is because Garrus is someone who wants to be above the law, and Spectres are above the law plus he is bad ass. Kaidan wants to help people in his own way, so he can help people by being a spectre plus him being a biotic makes him bad ass.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I'd say that Garrus would be the ideal spectre while Zaeed is the one most suited for the Job.



Thane, Mordin and Miranda might be able to pull it off though.

[Lord Coake]

Actually, I have a very good idea of who would make a truly legendary Spectre. Hell, given how good she is at misinformation, misdirection, penetrating security and maintaining deep cover for extended periods of time, she very well could be one already.

Of who am I speaking? We know her. In fact, we've run into her a number of times in game. Giana Parasini, of Noveria Internal Affairs.

Just to list out; she's capable of maintaining several different cover personalities, by way of training has to be at least capable in combat, has proven alarmingly capable of breaching very high security and integrating herself into an organization she's investigating, and go back undercover even after taking down very powerful -and public- corporate leaders.

She spearheaded the infiltration, investigation and arrest of Administrator Anelaies on Noveria, met with another high ranking exec, got him to testify in court, and was still able to go back deep undercover to another operation on freaking Illium without having anyone being the wiser about who she really was until the  time came to break cover and land the arrest.  She's a woman of a thousand faces, and I really hope we get to see more of her.  A silken glove to Sheps mailed fist.

Now picture if she was legally unleashed and working directly for the Council to infiltrate government agencies. Team her up with a heavy hitter like Shepard, and the Council has a nightmare of a takedown team.

Modifié par Lord Coake, 07 mai 2010 - 08:13 .

[AntiChri5]

Except that one of the things you praise her for oh so much, convincing Lorik to testify, is actually Shepards acheivement. So is getting the merchant on Ilium to spill the beans.

[Lord Coake]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Except that one of the things you praise her for oh so much, convincing Lorik to testify, is actually Shepards acheivement. So is getting the merchant on Ilium to spill the beans.

Not really.  Lorik agreed via Shep as an intermediary.  He dammed well could have refused after seeing who Shep was working with.  Giana had to be a very smooth negotiator and fast on her feet to pull that one off.  As for Illium, she was held back by not having the authority to nail Hermia herself.  She had all the information she needed, but making use of it was blocked to her by being outside her juridstiction.  Shep was simply a means to an end to get the job done sooner.

[tanarri23]

Miranda, because she's competent and will do what has to be done, yet she'll remain level-headed about it.

[danitiwa]

Garrus, he has a good sense of Justice, apart from his obsession with revenge sometimes getting the best of him he's a good turian and he'd make a good spectre. He thinks of the greater good every time, he's selfless and he's obviously experienced enough to handle himself in hard situations. He did great good even when Shepard wasn't around. He's also got great leadership qualities.

Miranda is a decent choice too, but she's really arrogant. That's a showstopper. She'd always be stubborn and
never be willing to take chances. Always look for a logical decision, sometimes those just don't exist.

Modifié par danitiwa, 08 mai 2010 - 04:58 .

[MrNose]

Miranda and Garrus.



Both are ruthless and extremely capable in combat, both in game canon and gameplay. Miranda rose to the top ranks of Cerberus and Garrus took on three organized merc units by himself. They would both be wicked Spectres.

[Darth_Trethon]

Hahahahaha.....good laughs. Some of the nonsense people post is beyond belief. Kaidan? Wrex? Jacob?

[lovgreno]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Hahahahaha.....good laughs. Some of the nonsense people post is beyond belief. Kaidan? Wrex? Jacob?

Specify why those are bad please.

[JaegerBane]

lovgreno wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Hahahahaha.....good laughs. Some of the nonsense people post is beyond belief. Kaidan? Wrex? Jacob?

Specify why those are bad please.

Indeed, why on earth would Wrex be a bad choice? He's easily the most level-headed and disciplined krogan in the ME universe. Combine that with all the normal omgwtfpwnbbq abilities of a krogan battlemaster and you have a one-man army.

[gethspy]

Garrus is sick of the council

Zaeed loves him a good challenge

Zaeed

[Zaisha_temp]

gethspy wrote...

Garrus is sick of the council
Zaeed loves him a good challenge
Zaeed

Garrus is sick of having to play by "rules" to see justice done.
Spectres have no rules.
Garrus

[MrNose]

Zaisha_temp wrote...

gethspy wrote...

Garrus is sick of the council
Zaeed loves him a good challenge
Zaeed

Garrus is sick of having to play by "rules" to see justice done.
Spectres have no rules.
Garrus

And Miranda works for an organization that has used terrorism and experiments on children.
Miranda too.

[Landline]

Why does every one think Garrus would make a good Specter? Depending on how you talk to him he already tried to be a specter and it didn't work out.



Honestly, I don't think anyone in the crew would make a good specter.

[lovgreno]

JaegerBane wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Hahahahaha.....good laughs. Some of the nonsense people post is beyond belief. Kaidan? Wrex? Jacob?

Specify why those are bad please.

Indeed, why on earth would Wrex be a bad choice? He's easily the most level-headed and disciplined krogan in the ME universe. Combine that with all the normal omgwtfpwnbbq abilities of a krogan battlemaster and you have a one-man army.

Exactly. Also Wrex certanly have a interest in the greater good for everyone (mainly for the sake of the krogans survival but anyway) as was proved by his rise to a krogan leader and reformator in ME2. But perhaps most important is that he is probably the best after Saren and Shepard to put fear into his enemies.

Then again he is rather busy with uniting the krogans.

[darknoon5]

Landline wrote...

Why does every one think Garrus would make a good Specter? Depending on how you talk to him he already tried to be a specter and it didn't work out.

Honestly, I don't think anyone in the crew would make a good specter.

That was because of the politics and such on the citadel, not because he was ill-suited.

[biomag]

Garrus: Obvious choice. He has experience, the skills and knows politics. He is a leader, but also capable of doing it on his own.  He lost his team because of betrayal... Shep lost Jenkins on his first firefight as spectre-trainee...

Liara: Has a deep understanding of the bigger picture. Has the skill.
She is on the way to become experienced in this buisness.

Kaiden: Skillset and experience. Also has sense for politics. Only downside, he may not have the guts to do everything that's needed on his own. He is too much of a nice guy. But except for that, the only other character beside Garrus, Liara and Mordin that understands what the citadel is all about.


Mordin: Has all it takes, but is too squishy on his own. He is an ideal support character, but I don't think he would be tough enough on his own.


Miranda: Is too based towards Cerberus.


Jacob: Maybe. Was a spec-ops for the alliance, but his Cerberus carreer makes him unlikely.


Wrex/Grunt: Loyal to krogans... no chance.

Kasumi: Recce operative, but not a person who is made for fighting battles.

Zaeed: Hot head. No sign of leadership (did you notice how many of his allies died in his stories?). He is just a tough mad man, no spectre at all.

Legion: Ah, right... just directly connected to the Geth, who would be better suited to do the spionage for the citadel than a machine directly connected to another nation that may be hostile...

Ash: No understanding of politics or the bigger picture. She is a NCO and nothing else.

Samara: Has everything but is bounded to a codex that can't be used by spectres without causing major intergalactic trouble.

Morinth: Yeah, she really cares about the galaxy...

Tali: She is just a anti-geth-racist. Like most quarians she doesn't look into the future, but towards the past and keeps fighting an enemy that has beaten them long ago. She simply isn't mature enough to take over as spectre.

Thane: Assassin. He doesn't seem to be someone who cares about the bigger picture. He compares himself to a pistol, a tool. He doesn't take things into his own hands, he is just a supporter/weapon of choice.

[Mykel54]

In fact in ME1 you can talk to Garrus into applying to be a Spectre, no matter if his father likes it or not. I have the hope that (big spoiler warning ->) the favour that Sidonis was talking about is related to to help Garrus get into the spectres.

[MrNose]

Fancy some opinions?

biomag wrote...

Garrus: Obvious choice. He has experience, the skills and knows politics. He is a leader, but also capable of doing it on his own.  He lost his team because of betrayal... Shep lost Jenkins on his first firefight as spectre-trainee...

Yes, Garrus is perfect.

Liara: Has a deep understanding of the bigger picture. Has the skill.
She is on the way to become experienced in this buisness.

Liara isn't a fighter though, she couldn't be a spectre.  We even know that she uses Asari commandos to do work on her behalf.  Story-wise it wouldn't make sense.

Kaiden: Skillset and experience. Also has sense for politics. Only downside, he may not have the guts to do everything that's needed on his own. He is too much of a nice guy. But except for that, the only other character beside Garrus, Liara and Mordin that understands what the citadel is all about.

Kaiden, along with Ashley, isn't an elite character.  They're both human-alliance, but they're no Shepard.  Spectres aren't the best and they're nowhere close to that.  I love Ashley but she's not there.

Mordin: Has all it takes, but is too squishy on his own. He is an ideal support character, but I don't think he would be tough enough on his own.

Mordin was STG, he does special forces his own way, gets things done his own way.  At his advanced age it wouldn't make sense for him to go back, but he's also already found the fit of special forces unit that works for him.

Miranda: Is too based towards Cerberus.

I take it you didn't beat the game with Miranda in your party?  She can't be that biased towards Cerberus, because she quit.  As a combatant and a leader, she has everything it takes.  That said, Miranda expressed interest in being part of a Human version of the STG, so I think she's more into the subtle form of things.

Jacob: Maybe. Was a spec-ops for the alliance, but his Cerberus carreer makes him unlikely.

Jacob is a maybe in my mind.  There's a reason that Miranda is the boss and she isn't.  Gameplay-wise, it seems that he's not the best combatant either.  Of course, he's a proven leader in the collector mission...   But I just don't see him as a "best-of-the-best" sort of fellow. 

Wrex/Grunt: Loyal to krogans... no chance.

They also wouldn't be effective at all.  No subtlety there.

Kasumi: Recce operative, but not a person who is made for fighting battles.

Spectres aren't necessarily a group that fights battles, they just need to get the job done.  This again is more of a story based thing, she's just not the type who would ever be in the situation to be asked or the situation to accept.

Tali: She is just a anti-geth-racist. Like most quarians she doesn't look into the future, but towards the past and keeps fighting an enemy that has beaten them long ago. She simply isn't mature enough to take over as spectre.

I like Tali, but she's definitely a supporter.  While I wouldn't say that she's "just a racist", she's definitely too immature.  I don't think that racism is actually a disqualifier for being a spectre.