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[SirEmilCrane]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...

Her father got her the best training he could get. If you don't hug her on the loyalty mission she talks about it.

I know you kiss a picture of Tali before you go to bed at night, but honestly, she'd make a crappy Spectre.

The first part of your statement invalidated the rest of it

[SirEmilCrane]

Also, I said she was a viable possibility, not the best choice

[VampireCommando]

Garrus, Thane and Miranda all show the nessary qualities, and are all quite badass. Then again legion would also be suitable.

[SirEmilCrane]

Both legion and Thane seem to be loners, almost to much. I don't think they'd be good spectres, maybe Thane, but not legion, not yet.

[Spartas Husky]

SirEmilCrane wrote...

Her father got her the best training he could get. If you don't hug her on the loyalty mission she talks about it.

Dude, I adore Tali. But if She is the "best" quarians can throw on an infantry fighting platform.....man they seriously need to make peace with the Geth period.

But on a less realistic note. We dont know what "best" is.

It could be, best engineering training, weapons training, hand to hand.

W/e Point is, what it takes to be Spec ops, can't be done indoors.

Infantry and Spec ops share that they both rely on the fundamentals of Muscle memory, the difference is spec ops tap into the mid lower part of the brain to drill muscle memory in instinctive movement.

When your body moves through muscle memory, you usually dont notice it, but you will think of it after is done...like omg I just did that.

Instinct, you never think of it, and never will, it just comes on a more natural level.

And I dont think Tali was trained as  special forces soldier, otherwise her dialogue would have changed when talking to Kal Reegar. If she has received the best training quarians can handle, then she should know more about tactical viability and Quarian chances at war better than Kal Reegar, but from the way she talks, she sounds more like..... a cop speaking to a Marine....yes both have received tactical weapons training but the scope of which is on different lv.

But it could just be lack of information on Bioware's part, or oversight on her dilogue I dont know.

But from what I have seen, and heard her say, she is trained but not enough to even remotely be called Special Ops.

SPec ops have that garrus, Zaeed, Thane....sound into their voice....the acceptance of the odds, yet relishing in the fact that the odds are against them, duno how to explain it.

[SirEmilCrane]

I suppose you're right, but she did receive good training before going on pilgrimage. And has a lot of combat experience.



It takes more that just combat skills to be a SPECTRE, it takes a certain mindset, one that Tali has.

[Spartas Husky]

True, but specters, woudl like today, Delta Forces, SAS. They are chosen from the cream of the crop, but the difference is their mindset.



Tali has that mindset, because she hasn't gone through spec ops training.



I guess Spectres are chosen for not changing their mindset after spec ops training.



My friend Shawn, and Paul are examples. Both were green berets. But Shawn is....grim....I call him Fisher, and pisses him off which is funny, he has that....I duno whatlol.



Shawn, is full of laughter, but when it comes to it, he goes into it like a clock. But he is still funny.



So yes I agree, her mindset is a plus, but is her mindset plus the training that I guess council criteria is after. After she has received, Torture training, evade and elude training, survival training. ....well hopefully she wont otherwise her character would turn out like samara or something else lol. I like her just like she is.

[SirEmilCrane]

Fair enough, I see her as kind of a quarian spectre anyway, doing special missions for the admiralty board. The difference is she relies others for serious combat strength, combined arms if you will.

[Spartas Husky]

Then she fits perfectly the description of Combat Engineer....only difference is she doesn't have to go pick up mines lol.

[SirEmilCrane]

Or place them.

I was thinking more operative, CIA type, with special forces back up.

[Spartas Husky]

m3h nah, She has no intelligence training that we know of, like Lying, reading body language. She is a hacker with a gun....m3h...I duno

I uno CIA sounds a bit too dorky.....CIA specialists are qualified, but I dunno, is foolish of my to speculate on intelligence agencies technical expert's tactical training.


Either way she is smart, cute, has an Avenger AR, and knows how to use it. Pretty good to me.

PS: well in my game she has an avenger

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 23 mai 2010 - 08:14 .

[SirEmilCrane]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Either way she is smart, cute, has an Avenger AR, and knows how to use it. Pretty good to me.

I heard that, she's good for Spectre support

[Spartas Husky]

SirEmilCrane wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Either way she is smart, cute, has an Avenger AR, and knows how to use it. Pretty good to me.

I heard that, she's good for Spectre support

Amen....

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 23 mai 2010 - 08:29 .

[Darc_Requiem]

Based on skill set an experience Garrus and Jacob would probably make the best candidates. Kaidan if he's alive would seem to have the necessary skills as well. While some other characters have the skill sets, they don't have the mind sets. I saw some people mention Wrex and based on his evolution as a character in ME2, I'd say he probably could pull it off but he's concerned about the fate of his race and I can't see much of anything pulling him away from that.

[Spartas Husky]

Is Kaiden an N7 AS well?...I mean does Kaiden has the designation N??



but nah, DIE KAIDEN...kaiden and ashely....wow my human squadies betray me, judge me... spit on me. let em both die.



Garrus baby, he is top choice for me, I love that dude man....he is my bro.

[Sleekshinobi]

I would say Thane if he wasn't you know, dying and all that but besides him, I agree with pretty much everyone else, Garrus would make a great spectre

[Lumikki]

Garrus would be bad Spectre, because he can just go and kill bad guys for fun. Like in Omega.



Jacob, Miranda and Kaiden are maybe better choises. Not sure how good they get job done or what's they blind spots. Miranda would get job done, but she is little too cerbarus. Jacob handle his loyalty mission well, notice what's good and bad call, even when it was about his father. I did not have time to know Kaiden so well, but seemed like person who can do the job.

[NICKjnp]

Kaiden or Samara would probably make the best Spectres. I wouldn't be surprised if they had the virmire survivor be a spectre in the next game. Samara is probably too strict but I wouldn't be surprised if the formation of the spectres was a mix of STG operatives aand Justicars.

[Spartas Husky]

Lumikki wrote...

Garrus would be bad Spectre, because he can just go and kill bad guys for fun. Like in Omega.

Jacob, Miranda and Kaiden are maybe better choises. Not sure how good they get job done or what's they blind spots. Miranda would get job done, but she is little too cerbarus. Jacob handle his loyalty mission well, notice what's good and bad call, even when it was about his father. I did not have time to know Kaiden so well, but seemed like person who can do the job.

.....and what is the point of a job if you can't enjoy it.

Point is he is effective

[lovgreno]

[quote]Spartas Husky wrote...[/quote]

.....and what is the point of a job if you can't enjoy it.

Point is he is effective

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Never trust a guy who dislikes his job to do it well. Garrus removes a lot of dangerous people and thinks it's fun and for the greater good, clearly a good thing if you want to be a spectre.

[Spartas Husky]

[quote]lovgreno wrote...

[quote]Spartas Husky wrote...[/quote]

.....and what is the point of a job if you can't enjoy it.

Point is he is effective

[/quote]
Never trust a guy who dislikes his job to do it well. Garrus removes a lot of dangerous people and thinks it's fun and for the greater good, clearly a good thing if you want to be a spectre.

[/quote]

True. But just to add to my can of worms, also dont trust a guy who over enjoys his to too much either .

Like my granddad use to say....everything in excess is bad....yes even that sonny :whistle:

[FrancisKitt]

Ashton808 wrote...

Mordin for the most.


Garrus is to stuburn and renegade. He was pretty much the stupid teenager who wants to kill in the first game. and now he is the stupid adult who wants to kill in the second game.

Then explain Saren.  Basic disregard for life, and blew up a refinery for no real reason and was considerd the Council's best operative. Garrus avoided collateral damage while on Omega and is courteous to civilians such as Dr. Michel.   Too renegade?  Yeah right.

Not to mention a renegade Shepard, who slaughtered an entire colony, punched the press and committed genocide.  He was also pretty stubborn to boot..

And what you said about Garrus could also apply to Tali.

She was a geth hating teenager in the first game, and a geth hating adult in the second.

So yeah, Garrus would be good Spectre, dedication mixed with common sense are helpful.  Zaeed would also be good for a 'blow **** up and not worry about the godamn consequences!'  

Modifié par FrancisKitt, 23 mai 2010 - 08:06 .

[Dark_Caduceus]

SirEmilCrane wrote...

Also, I said she was a viable possibility, not the best choice

I never said she was the worst choice, just that she's NOT a viable possiblity.

[lovgreno]

Spartas Husky wrote..

True. But just to add to my can of worms, also dont trust a guy who over enjoys his to too much either .

Like my granddad use to say....everything in excess is bad....yes even that sonny :whistle:

Your granddad was wise. Things are never simple and uncomplicated.

[Steingrimur Steingrimsson]

Ashley - Good at killing ****, not too resourceful. Probably not a good candidate.

Kaidan - Support character, resourceful. Much better than Ashley, the downside with him is his lack of firepower.

Liara - ME1: No! ME Redemption: Very good candidate, the extra crazy is also a plus.

Tali - Way too sweet

Wrex - Yes, powerful and resourceful while being extremely experienced. Unfortunatly the Krogan are not a citadel species, so it won't happen.

Garrus - Yes, resourceful, powerful, capable. A bit naive, but experienced.

Grunt - Never.

Jack - Even more never

Jacob - See Kaidan

Kasumi - Extremely capable. A very ideal agent. Able to undertake tricky mission with stealth and hack.

Legion - Yes, but obvious gethness makes it hard for organics to trust him. Will never happen.

Miranda - Yes, just not with too much of a team, she is a terrible leader.

Mordin - Yes, dangerous and smart.

Morinth - Even more even more never.

Samara - Follows a religious code, undecireable.

Thane - Yes. Sneaky and sly with a touch of biotics. Ideal.

Zaeed - Really good at killing ****, resourceful, too. I sense a kind of Sarenish spectre in him.

Jeff - Crippled legs.