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[Nu-Nu]

Will it be evil or holy? 

I'm hoping we'll get a chance to change his/her destiny.  If you're King, you'll be leaving an epic heir to the throne. If you're Queen, Alistair will be leaving an epic heir with your help.  I like the idea, that as Queen you can adopt the kid or send it packing to the chantry/circle of mage/fade(death).

Also, if you were male and it was your own kid, Bioware wouldn't make the only option to kill your own child, would they???

Of course, something bad would have to happen to Morrigan to get anywhere near the kid though...

And if you're a grey warden...maybe you can train it to be one?  And as male if it's not your child and as female your not with the father of the child, then I don't know. Maybe you can reunite them with their father?  But if Logahin is the father, why would you do that, why?!

There just so many roads this can take.  Or bioware will be lazy and just make it a sidequest monster who's been feeding on humans and you have to kill it....

[asaiasai]

My only real concern for the amount of begging by folks concerning Morrigan's demon child is, what about those of us who sent Morrigan packing with an empty oven? Seems like quite a bit of presumption on Bioware's/communities part that will take it for granted that the DR was done. The Morrigan story is not really a big question for me because in 15 plays i have done the DR 2 times, and really have no plans for future plays to do the DR. So to base a whole expansion on an event that i excercised only twice seems a bit much, limits the marketability, reduces the continuity of the story because no DR means no demon child. Just something to ponder.  I could see it aded in an expansion (mostly to placate the fan boys) but as i said if your character did not do the DR that side quest (which is all it is really worth, being generous) should not be an issue.

Asai

Modifié par asaiasai, 05 mai 2010 - 08:36 .

[Trackrtar]

Cole, Ellawyn, Seriana and Aleena really don't care about Morrigan. Hell she only has a bun in two of those play throughs. Marcus on the other hand needs to know about his freaking kid.

[Nu-Nu]

asaiasai wrote...

My only real concern for the amount of begging by folks concerning Morrigan's demon child is, what about those of us who sent Morrigan packing with an empty oven? Seems like quite a bit of presumption on Bioware's/communities part that will take it for granted that the DR was done. The Morrigan story is not really a big question for me because in 15 plays i have done the DR 2 times, and really have no plans for future plays to do the DR. So to base a whole expansion on an event that i excercised only twice seems a bit much, limits the marketability, reduces the continuity of the story because no DR means no demon child. Just something to ponder.  I could see it aded in an expansion (mostly to placate the fan boys) but as i said if your character did not do the DR that side quest (which is all it is really worth, being generous) should not be an issue.

Asai

But dragonage is epic, I think there plenty of room for that storyline in the sequal, if there is one.  If you don't have the child, well they'll just make a different story for you.  I don't know what though...

[ev0k3r]

Although Asai makes a valid point concerning the DR, I actually thought since the first time I finished DAO that DA2 will be about Morrigan's child - it's sort of a nagging feeling.
As the Origins stories have proven, you can have several starting stories but we all end up atOstagar.
You start off in the woods with mum-Morrigan-a-la-Flemeth and depending if you did the DR or not there will be hints maybe about your father/mother being the PC of DAO.
Although, the expansion's storyline will probably take place many years after the events of the first one.

Modifié par ev0k3r, 05 mai 2010 - 09:28 .

[Nu-Nu]

ev0k3r wrote...

Although Asai makes a valid point concerning the DR, I actually thought since the first time I finished DAO that DA2 will be about Morrigan's child - it's sort of a nagging feeling.
As the Origins stories have proven, you can have several starting stories but we all end up atOstagar.
You start off in the woods with mum-Morrigan-a-la-Flemeth and depending if you did the DR or not there will be hints maybe about your father/mother being the PC of DAO.
Although, the expansion's storyline will probably take place many years after the events of the first one.

Yeah I think the beginning part of the sequel will be different depending on how you play, but whether you kept the child or not, you still have the same goals at the end of the day.  Whether you just complete your quest or change the world, for better or for worse, depends on how you play.  Asumming you can carryover...or there is a sequel.

As for when it takes place, I at least like it when the kid is still a young child.

[Lintanis]

Im hoping if they do Morrigans child in the next game if they give you a option to enter who the daddy is be good to see the difference between the Wardens, Alistairs and Loghains child

[Nu-Nu]

Lintanis wrote...

Im hoping if they do Morrigans child in the next game if they give you a option to enter who the daddy is be good to see the difference between the Wardens, Alistairs and Loghains child

That be interesting because I can't bring myself to keep Loghain.  At least that way, it'll be easier for me to see the difference.

[Tokion]

I can see the child being the protagonist of DA2. The choices you made or who you were may or may not even carry over (race, choices etc.), not that it matters anyways if it was set in a different country.

DA:O was a good journey. But still not 'epic' enough because there was not alot of adventure feel comparing to bg2. It feels like playing missions simular to the Mass Effect series. Though Mass Effect can pull it off because the Normandy is just awesome, but the base camp idea in dragon age is really boring to me.

Modifié par Tokion, 05 mai 2010 - 10:41 .

[Brockololly]

asaiasai wrote...

My only real concern for the amount of begging by folks concerning Morrigan's demon child is, what about those of us who sent Morrigan packing with an empty oven? Seems like quite a bit of presumption on Bioware's/communities part that will take it for granted that the DR was done. The Morrigan story is not really a big question for me because in 15 plays i have done the DR 2 times, and really have no plans for future plays to do the DR. So to base a whole expansion on an event that i excercised only twice seems a bit much, limits the marketability, reduces the continuity of the story because no DR means no demon child. Just something to ponder.  I could see it aded in an expansion (mostly to placate the fan boys) but as i said if your character did not do the DR that side quest (which is all it is really worth, being generous) should not be an issue.

Asai

Well, it all depends on how much continuity Bioware is going to have going forward with DA2 or any expansions. My own opinion on the Old God Baby is that since Morrigan is really the only companion you cannot kill off, we haven't seen the last of her yet. I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware makes the Old God Baby canon- for those who didn't give in to Morrigan's Ritual, they can just say that she found some other way, maybe the reason she left right away after getting turned down was to fly over to where the Orlesian Wardens were waiting and do the deed there. We are dealing with magic afterall, so as cheap as it might seem for Bioware to just wavbe their hands and go "Oh Morrigan found another way" well just look at how Bioware let you bring back your Dead Warden into Awakening.

Or maybe the Old God Baby is just a means to an end for whatever Morrigan has planned. In any event, Morrigan and the possible Old God Baby are IMO the one big loose end from DAO that needs to be tied up. Whether thats in DA2 or another ex-pack, who knows...

[Willowhugger]

Riordan you dog!

Modifié par Willowhugger, 05 mai 2010 - 04:43 .

[Sarah1281]

The problem with 'Morrigan found a way to do the ritual' is that if the ritual is performed and the Old God soul saved then the GW who kills the Archdemon wouldn't die and we've seen that that is not the case.

[Willowhugger]

Sarah1281 wrote...

The problem with 'Morrigan found a way to do the ritual' is that if the ritual is performed and the Old God soul saved then the GW who kills the Archdemon wouldn't die and we've seen that that is not the case.

It's magic.

Riordan already being dead could be what screws it up.

[Sarah1281]

Magic or not - you die because the Archdemon's soul passes through you and destroys the two souls. If the soul goes into Morrigan's baby then you don't die as it doesn't pass through you first. Why should it matter if you know the ritual was done? The soul can't be preserved and destroyed at the same time.

[Tinxa]

asaiasai wrote...

My only real concern for the amount of begging by folks concerning Morrigan's demon child is, what about those of us who sent Morrigan packing with an empty oven? Seems like quite a bit of presumption on Bioware's/communities part that will take it for granted that the DR was done. The Morrigan story is not really a big question for me because in 15 plays i have done the DR 2 times, and really have no plans for future plays to do the DR. So to base a whole expansion on an event that i excercised only twice seems a bit much, limits the marketability, reduces the continuity of the story because no DR means no demon child. Just something to ponder.  I could see it aded in an expansion (mostly to placate the fan boys) but as i said if your character did not do the DR that side quest (which is all it is really worth, being generous) should not be an issue.

Asai

I feel the same way. The dark ritual is just one of the 4 possible endings. I wouldn't like it if it was made canon. The epilogue says quite clearly that Morrigan ends up alone at the empresses court if you don't do the DR. Why have all these choices available if the sequel is just going to override them. I don't feel the option to spare your life with the DR is important enough to warrant it's own big storyline in the sequel.

[Brockololly]

I'd imagine that IF (and its a big if) we continue on as the Warden or have some measure of continuity in DA2, Bioware will put forward some sort of canon ending- sort of like BG2. The possibility of having an Old God Baby around in Thedas just seems like it could be a really significant thing, not something to be brushed aside for those of us that did the Ritual.



I'd love it if all of your choices carried though to the next game, but just from a practical perspective I've got to think some choices will be made canon, if we stick with the Warden.

[Terra_Ex]

I fully expect and hope Bioware will make some things canon. To discard what could potentially be fantastic plot threads because it wouldn't fit in with a particular player's playthrough is absurd. Extending this argument to its absolute extreme means that DA2 would have to either ignore/cater for all possible scenarios that a player may have experienced, which is an impossibility. Pick the most important threads, tie them in with the player choices if at all possible and meld them in with whatever direction the plot goes in DA2 - canonising certain things is the only way to feasibly handle DA moving forwards. People are going to be unhappy whatever happens though.

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 05 mai 2010 - 06:31 .

[brewmaster]

Awakening shows that bioware isn't really concerned about the continuity of the story...



Let's just hope they put more effort into future games.

[Marso40]

Who's to say that Morrigan wouldn't have bedded an Orlesian Grey Warden at the empress' court in order to further her ambitions if refused in Ferelden?

[Sarah1281]

Marso40 wrote...

Who's to say that Morrigan wouldn't have bedded an Orlesian Grey Warden at the empress' court in order to further her ambitions if refused in Ferelden?

But why bother if the soul of the Archdemon was destroyed along with whoever killed it?

[Chuvvy]

asaiasai wrote...

My only real concern for the amount of begging by folks concerning Morrigan's demon child is, what about those of us who sent Morrigan packing with an empty oven? Seems like quite a bit of presumption on Bioware's/communities part that will take it for granted that the DR was done. The Morrigan story is not really a big question for me because in 15 plays i have done the DR 2 times, and really have no plans for future plays to do the DR. So to base a whole expansion on an event that i excercised only twice seems a bit much, limits the marketability, reduces the continuity of the story because no DR means no demon child. Just something to ponder.  I could see it aded in an expansion (mostly to placate the fan boys) but as i said if your character did not do the DR that side quest (which is all it is really worth, being generous) should not be an issue.

Asai

Cool metaphor, bro.

[thegreateski]

I can see Bioware saying that the Dark ritual was only there as a way for Morrigan to save your/Alistair's life and that she didn't need to perform the DR in order to get the Archdemons soul.



We honestly have no idea what happens when a Grey warden kills an Archdemon. All we know is that they die, the whole "soul destroying" thing is simply speculation.

[Raiil]

Everyone keeps acting as if Morrigan having the child is the default canon ending. In Awakenings, if you roll an Orlesian Warden, the default is that Alistair is on the throne and the Warden is presumably dead by the Archdemon, since it makes way more sense for the Warden to end up as Arl/essa. Now, you can RP it that you played a male Warden who did the ultimate sacrifice or had Alistair do the US, who slept with Morrigan at least once, since the epilogue card in that situation states that she may have been with child even if you don't do the DR. So there might be a baby, but not necessarily the Archdemon'ed baby.



And who knows? The kid might not even be the fearsome demon child everyone seems to think it will be. This is the first time anyone's done this. For all we know, the baby's 'natural' soul will override the Archdemon's and Morrigan is stuck with Alistair Jr, Professional Prankster and PITA.

[Adynata]

I hope the old god baby (lol @ amphiboly) doesn't come back up because, even though I did the DR with Loghain and Alistair, I would prefer not to deal with the baby mama drama. It would feel too much like Oedipus and all those other boy-seeks-out-father-only-to-(tryto/accidently)kill-him plotlines. Any reason Morrigan would have for raising this god baby can only be a bad one, so the child inevitably is set up to be an antagonist. Unless Morrigan does Flemeth's ritual and ends up taking over the child's body to become a super powerful witch, doubly disturbing.

[asaiasai]

I am going to get hammered here but i am just going to try and give the whole drama concerning Morrigan and the god baby perspective.

"Trailer trash with a nice rack tricks powerful man into knocking her up." Hasn't this already been covered to death by Jerry Springer and Dr. Phil? Why build a game around a simple character, doing a simple thing.

To base an entire game around an option that may or may not have been excercised by the players is assinine. I am not opposed to giving the fan boys a bone by making it an OPTIONAL SIDE QUEST, but it is worth nothing more. To make this optional story line "cannon" would be ****ing stupid.

Morrigan is a well written, well acted MINOR character but in reality not that interesting. Leliana, Sten, Zeveran, are characters who's dirt from under thier finger nails would hold more interest than Morrigan. To create a whole game around a minor event that the player has to option to refuse makes no sense unless it is more about the "Quest for fan boy cash" as opposed to a solid story. Morrigan and Jack from ME2 are designed to give the fan boys something to toss off to before they go to bed, simple as that, and as such her story lacks the required depth to carry the title.

Asai

Modifié par asaiasai, 06 mai 2010 - 05:29 .