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[Hyper Cutter]

i strongly suspect Bioware intends the DR to be canon. Not to mention that it's the most interesting ending and has tons of potential for future stories.

[Raiil]

I agree with what someone else said- should you have done the DR, make it an optional part of the main quest. Morrigan's alive and therefore the best tie in character for the next game- maybe she'll help you. And should she and the Warden/Alistair/Loghain gone and knocked booties, her child can play a part in it. If not, then not. There, everyone wins.



If we can bring back our original Wardens, it will be interesting to see how what their reactions would be.

[Nu-Nu]

Adynata wrote...

I hope the old god baby (lol @ amphiboly) doesn't come back up because, even though I did the DR with Loghain and Alistair, I would prefer not to deal with the baby mama drama. It would feel too much like Oedipus and all those other boy-seeks-out-father-only-to-(tryto/accidently)kill-him plotlines. Any reason Morrigan would have for raising this god baby can only be a bad one, so the child inevitably is set up to be an antagonist. Unless Morrigan does Flemeth's ritual and ends up taking over the child's body to become a super powerful witch, doubly disturbing.

I don't know if the baby will end up evil.  Morrigan is strange but I don't think she's a bad person.  And if you're playing as the male warden who did the deed, then you have to kill your own child....would bioware make us do that?  I think there will be an option to save the kid and make sure it doesn't become evil. 

Also, maybe the child is a way to help stop the blight from coming back forever?  The good version can tell the darkspawn to stop attacking or the bad will keep telling the darkspawn to attack.  I can imagine he can use the darkspawn to protect itself and her/his mother when you first encounter them, but you either have to believe that the child was only defending or attacking.

From what I getting from the game, the game is stirring you into either doing the ritual or sacrificing yourself.  Alistair is default king in awakenings which either means you're dead or the ritual has been performed.

Modifié par Nu-Nu, 06 mai 2010 - 01:01 .

[Nu-Nu]

Hanz54321 wrote...

Oh - and if the Warden, Alistair, or Loghain didn't put the bun in the oven, it really doesn't matter. Morrigan is a seductress. DA 2 could still be all about the demon child just she found a different father and spent some time in the deep roads finding another Old God.

Despite plot holes . . . there are plenty of ways to make the next Dragon Age about Morrigan's Mistake.

Dragon Age: Morrigan's Mistake!

I don't know if the child should be what the 2nd game is based on, but I like the child to have a decent part in the story.

[Brockololly]

asaiasai wrote...

"Trailer trash with a nice rack tricks powerful man into knocking her up." Hasn't this already been covered to death by Jerry Springer and Dr. Phil? Why build a game around a simple character, doing a simple thing.

To base an entire game around an option that may or may not have been excercised by the players is assinine. I am not opposed to giving the fan boys a bone by making it an OPTIONAL SIDE QUEST, but it is worth nothing more. To make this optional story line "cannon" would be ****ing stupid.

Well, I'll admit to being a Morrigan fanboy and honestly when I first played through Origins and got to Ritual I thought exactly as you did in that it seemed like this was all one bad Jerry Springer or Maury episode. But as for Morrigan being a simple character, I'll disagree. Sure she seems like your trademark evil, sarcastic misanthrope at the start, but if your befriend her or romance her you'll find there is a lot more going on underneath her uncaring exterior. As for the whole Ritual being a "simple" thing- well, seems to me that bringing the untainted soul of an Old God back into Thedas would be pretty damn significant. They could go so many cool places with that IMO.

Even though I'm a Morrigan fanboy though, I'm under no such illusion that Bioware would make a whole game about Morrigan and the Old God Baby. I wouldn't necessarily call it an "optional story line" though either, because regardless of if you kick out Morrigan early on in Origins or not, she'll always show up to propose the Ritual to you. So in that sense, if Bioware is going to have Morrigan show up in future games, she'll likely be showing up for all of us. What I'd like to see would have the whole Morrigan/Old God Baby plot maybe act like a larger questline like Redcliffe, Brecilian Forest or something like that.

asaiasai wrote...
Morrigan is a well written, well acted MINOR character but in reality not that interesting. Leliana, Sten, Zeveran, are characters who's dirt from under thier finger nails would hold more interest than Morrigan. To create a whole game around a minor event that the player has to option to refuse makes no sense unless it is more about the "Quest for fan boy cash" as opposed to a solid story. Morrigan and Jack from ME2 are designed to give the fan boys something to toss off to before they go to bed, simple as that, and as such her story lacks the required depth to carry the title.

I'd say its simply a matter of opinion on how interesting the characters are, but to say Morrigan is only a minor character in DAO isn't quite right. Outside of Alistair, she is the only really plot-centric party member and is the only party member who cannot be killed off. Call it plot armor or whatever but I think its clear Bioware has more planned for Morrigan. And the writers have said many times before how Morrigan really is the face of Origins. As for Morrigan and Jack just being fanboy material- well, I'd argue that in ME2 its more likely Miranda fits that role better than Jack- but as for Morrigan, yeah having her dressed the way she is gets male attention, but thats kind of the point with her though, right? If we're going by the Ritual, isn't her one goal to basically get laid by a Warden? So she should be kind of sexy- and it fits her character. I mean she's not going to go around in a burlap sack or anything. In the end I think there is plenty of room for Bioware to explore with more Morrigan- I mean after all, I think wherever you go with Morrigan surely Flemeth will tie in too, so theres that as well as the (possible) Old God baby in future games.

[Terra_Ex]

asaiasai wrote...

I am going to get hammered here but i am just going to try and give the whole drama concerning Morrigan and the god baby perspective.

"Trailer trash with a nice rack tricks powerful man into knocking her up." Hasn't this already been covered to death by Jerry Springer and Dr. Phil? Why build a game around a simple character, doing a simple thing.

To base an entire game around an option that may or may not have been excercised by the players is assinine. I am not opposed to giving the fan boys a bone by making it an OPTIONAL SIDE QUEST, but it is worth nothing more. To make this optional story line "cannon" would be ****ing stupid.

I don't think anyone is suggesting the whole game be centered around her - people enjoy different aspects of the game and everyone is well within their rights to hope for a continuation/resolution to their favourite plot threads, is it really necessary to label everyone a fanboy just for appreciating a character. As Brock has stated, its all very much a matter of opinion, one could just as easily tear apart any of the characters you listed as more interesting to suit their argument yet it accomplishes nothing. The word you're after is canon, btw.

[Swoo]

I truly believe it's going to play a huge (maybe not largest, but not just a sidequest or comment in passing by any means) part to the meta-plot in DA2.



I like the workaround someone else posted that she could still get what she wanted (Old God soul cleansed by the Warden's Tainting) and for those that didn't do the DR and went the USa route, she just didn't manage to save your life while doing so. Nobody has half a clue what she's really up to, or capable of, so redirecting the spirit as it goes to pass the Fade is just as plausible as bottling it up in a new baby body.



I really want to see how the decision could end up playing out with the Warden, Morri, and the OGB. It could be a setup for a fantastically terrible choice - be selfish and maybe reeeeeeeally screw things up in the name of emotion and loyalty, or the 'sacrifice anything for the greater good'.



It's a really exciting possibility to see play out.

[Lintanis]

 Morrigan can be the only character to definatly appear in the next game because shes the only companion that cant die . I dont think the whole story would be taken up by her, maybe it will feature a few times and have a big impact in DAO3. 

[Nu-Nu]

I think it's all going to end up with Morrigan having to make the ultimate sacrifice to stop Flemmeth from getting to the child. Flemmeth is going to try and take over Morrigan but she still has enough strength and will to fight her and with info from the grimoire she'll destroy them both permantely and the child will go to the warden to do as they wish. Morrigan is not going to let the warden have the child any other way, I think.

[Nu-Nu]

Massamies wrote...

The sequel doesn't need to be centered around the "god" baby. The old gods may just be highly powerful abominations, somewhat higher than Flemeth, getting imprisoned inside earth and getting put down to sleep is a sign of weakness.

I think they're some kind of special, intelligent, powerful dragons and become the archdemon when they're tainted.  Rather then them being powerful abominations.

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

In the world i call me. I was hoping that the next game would take place 8years later and they make a aging engine. Your charater gets heavily wonded in battle and a huge dragon comes down and saves you and you wake up with morrigan and a little girl next to you and they heal you up. I like the idea of the child being a shapeshifting dragon.

[webbedfeet]

asaiasai wrote...

I am going to get hammered here but i am just going to try and give the whole drama concerning Morrigan and the god baby perspective.

"Trailer trash with a nice rack tricks powerful man into knocking her up." Hasn't this already been covered to death by Jerry Springer and Dr. Phil? Why build a game around a simple character, doing a simple thing.

To base an entire game around an option that may or may not have been excercised by the players is assinine. I am not opposed to giving the fan boys a bone by making it an OPTIONAL SIDE QUEST, but it is worth nothing more. To make this optional story line "cannon" would be ****ing stupid.

Morrigan is a well written, well acted MINOR character but in reality not that interesting. Leliana, Sten, Zeveran, are characters who's dirt from under thier finger nails would hold more interest than Morrigan. To create a whole game around a minor event that the player has to option to refuse makes no sense unless it is more about the "Quest for fan boy cash" as opposed to a solid story. Morrigan and Jack from ME2 are designed to give the fan boys something to toss off to before they go to bed, simple as that, and as such her story lacks the required depth to carry the title.

Asai

That's funny. I am not exactly a guy here, but I happen to think that Morrigan is a fantastic character and the Old God Baby is a bastardly intriguing plot hook. No pun intended. I tend to have a 50/50 DR/US rate, btw.

That said, calling the Poster Girl, The Face of Dragon Age As the Creators Called It, a 'minor character' is rather baffling in itself, so I'd chalk this up to some vast gulf between our interpretations. I am a Zevran fan if I have to choose, but it's obvious that he's pretty minor compared to Morrigan. And you know, it'd be a disservice to Zev and Lel too to say they're only worth the ****** value just because they happen to be sexy.

[Nu-Nu]

webbedfeet wrote...

asaiasai wrote...

I am going to get hammered here but i am just going to try and give the whole drama concerning Morrigan and the god baby perspective.

"Trailer trash with a nice rack tricks powerful man into knocking her up." Hasn't this already been covered to death by Jerry Springer and Dr. Phil? Why build a game around a simple character, doing a simple thing.

To base an entire game around an option that may or may not have been excercised by the players is assinine. I am not opposed to giving the fan boys a bone by making it an OPTIONAL SIDE QUEST, but it is worth nothing more. To make this optional story line "cannon" would be ****ing stupid.

Morrigan is a well written, well acted MINOR character but in reality not that interesting. Leliana, Sten, Zeveran, are characters who's dirt from under thier finger nails would hold more interest than Morrigan. To create a whole game around a minor event that the player has to option to refuse makes no sense unless it is more about the "Quest for fan boy cash" as opposed to a solid story. Morrigan and Jack from ME2 are designed to give the fan boys something to toss off to before they go to bed, simple as that, and as such her story lacks the required depth to carry the title.

Asai

That's funny. I am not exactly a guy here, but I happen to think that Morrigan is a fantastic character and the Old God Baby is a bastardly intriguing plot hook. No pun intended. I tend to have a 50/50 DR/US rate, btw.

That said, calling the Poster Girl, The Face of Dragon Age As the Creators Called It, a 'minor character' is rather baffling in itself, so I'd chalk this up to some vast gulf between our interpretations. I am a Zevran fan if I have to choose, but it's obvious that he's pretty minor compared to Morrigan. And you know, it'd be a disservice to Zev and Lel too to say they're only worth the ****** value just because they happen to be sexy.

I'm a girl and I like Morrigan, after Alistair I think she has the next biggest role, she has different layers.  Just like Jack, they both show that they have a soft side and there's still some softness deep down.  They've both grown up in extreme hardship so that's why they act the way they do.

Miranda in mass effect was for the fanboys not Jack.  Lelianna is the one for the fanboys in dragonage, she's the one you can have threesome with prositutes if you harden her up enough.

[Sarah1281]

Nu-Nu wrote...

I think it's all going to end up with Morrigan having to make the ultimate sacrifice to stop Flemmeth from getting to the child. Flemmeth is going to try and take over Morrigan but she still has enough strength and will to fight her and with info from the grimoire she'll destroy them both permantely and the child will go to the warden to do as they wish. Morrigan is not going to let the warden have the child any other way, I think.

 We could be stuck raising that kid? Alistair/Loghain's the father! The family should deal with it...

[Nu-Nu]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Nu-Nu wrote...

I think it's all going to end up with Morrigan having to make the ultimate sacrifice to stop Flemmeth from getting to the child. Flemmeth is going to try and take over Morrigan but she still has enough strength and will to fight her and with info from the grimoire she'll destroy them both permantely and the child will go to the warden to do as they wish. Morrigan is not going to let the warden have the child any other way, I think.

 We could be stuck raising that kid? Alistair/Loghain's the father! The family should deal with it...

If it's not your own or your Li or you don't want it, I suppose the options would be to send it to their family or chantry or the circle of mages....or kill it...

It's up to you to decide what happens to the child.

Modifié par Nu-Nu, 07 mai 2010 - 03:29 .

[Sarah1281]

Nu-Nu wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Nu-Nu wrote...

I think it's all going to end up with Morrigan having to make the ultimate sacrifice to stop Flemmeth from getting to the child. Flemmeth is going to try and take over Morrigan but she still has enough strength and will to fight her and with info from the grimoire she'll destroy them both permantely and the child will go to the warden to do as they wish. Morrigan is not going to let the warden have the child any other way, I think.

 We could be stuck raising that kid? Alistair/Loghain's the father! The family should deal with it...

If it's not your own or your Li or you don't want it, I suppose the options would be to send it to their family or chantry or the circle of mages....or kill it...

It's up to you to decide what happens to the child.

That's good. Because raising a human child (and probably shape-shifting mage) would not really fly in Orzammar. It would be happier...elsewhere....

[Nu-Nu]

I just read the comic of the scene that got cut, I always knew she was good at heart and that scene would have prove it to people who distrusts her.  Jealousy is really blinding people to the true Morrigan.

Modifié par Nu-Nu, 07 mai 2010 - 03:46 .

[SnakeStrike8]

I'll bet Bioware will pull some stupid BS for us non-ritualers and say 'Morrigan slept with some other Grey Warden from Orlais and had the demon child anyway'. That way the story in DA 2 will follow the demon-boy route and all of us who said no to the ritual can feel bummed out.

Or Bioware can just have us start with a new character in DA 2 with no connection to the events of the first game, and those of us who did do the ritual will feel bummed out.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[Raiil]

Morrigan is really a tightly-written character. I roll females and therefore never sleep with her, but she's beautiful, complex, and fascinating- like someone took the forces of nature and gave it a pretty face.



She is not a truly evil person. She is, at her worst, blisteringly pragmatic- which can lead to some pretty shady moral issues, but it's the everlocking blight, and Wardens do whatever it takes, right? Morrigan would not normally concern herself with others, but I think- particularly for Wardens who become closer with her, romance and friendship wise- she would do what she could to aid them, so long as it didn't endanger herself.





If the Qunari came, or the Chantry tried to take things over, I could also see her coming back for help, even if it was just a place to hide. I know my Amell would do what she could to save her old friend, and thanks to four points in coercion, could talk Alistair into helping. Morrigan is an asset that shouldn't be overlooked.

[asaiasai]

Morrigan can be completely blown off as a character there is nothing that involves Morrigan that can not be avoided. I know because i leave Morrigan at camp 90% of the time. After Lotharin i go to the tower get Wynne and that is the last time Morrigan leaves camp. The grimware does not have to be found and given to Morrigan. Flemeth does not have to be confronted as Morrigan requests. The dark ritual can be refused. To make the next game all about a character or an event that for the most part can be totally ignored, i have no idea what it is really but i presume it is nothing more than the quest for more money. It is either plot hole where if you leave Morrigan in camp interact with her at no time she still comes to you with information concerning the ritual, or you are being played from the very beginning, in either case plot hole (naughty writers), or played (naughty Flemeth and Morrigan) is all the reason i need to avoid the DR entirely. It is all the reason i need to leave Morrigan at camp, she can not die but she can be ignored, and i do. I just feel that Morrigan is an over rated character, that as much of a fan of the DAO series as i am i would hate like hell to have anymore to do with Morrigan or the Morrigan effect.

At this point in the game i am just creating characters to move to Awakenings so i just let Allistair or Loghain take the final blow. i do not care which it is so long as i have another character to move into Awakenings.

I have used Morrigan for a few characters, and while everybody seems to be taken in by Morrigans "softeneing" i am not. She is amoralistic, self centered, shallow, wilder trash, looking to trick someone into knocking her up to better her position or power. How is it possible that this could be considered interesting, as this is so everyday? To make this cannon, i am sorry, is just appealing to the lowest common denominator.

I am not opposed to if the PC makes the decision to do the DR that this will be something the specific PC will have to deal with, but to force this as cannon with a completely optional character, and a completely optional event is just lazy story telling. It would imho seem to me that cannonizing this event is just Bioware and EA cashing in on the franchise that at that precise moment would start circling the drain, as EA has been known to do.

I may not be the typical player but i have 16 total characters, 2 dark ritual, 6 ultimate sacrifice, 8 that can carry over with various story endings. The game can be played to completein with out ever doing anything more with Morrigan than to leave her in camp after Lotharin, she is no more or less expendable than any other character, except for the fact you can not be entirely rid of her, kind of like herpes.

Asai

Modifié par asaiasai, 09 mai 2010 - 05:21 .