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[Collider]

Morinth is a lying monster.

[Arawn-Loki]

I suppose combat wise Thane is to Collectors/Husks/Krogan what Garrus is to Mercs and Mechs. Biotic-employing  sniper useful against Armor-wearers as opposed to a Tech-employing sniper useful against Shield-wearers.

Modifié par Arawn-Loki, 06 mai 2010 - 07:57 .

[drunken pyromaniac]

Barquiel wrote...

As I said in the poll section...
I hate his excuse for killing.
This "Thane's body kills people. Thane's mind and soul don't" nonsense...
I think he's a hypocrite. That's the reason why I like Morinth/and hate Thane.
They are both no saints (Thane killed for money, Morinth for pleasure), but Morinth makes no excuses for what she is.

To be fair, he used to kill for the Hanar state. That absolves him morally of those at least.

Modifié par drunken pyromaniac, 06 mai 2010 - 07:58 .

[Barquiel]

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

As I said in the poll section...
I hate his excuse for killing.
This "Thane's body kills people. Thane's mind and soul don't" nonsense...
I think he's a hypocrite. That's the reason why I like Morinth/and hate Thane.
They are both no saints (Thane killed for money, Morinth for pleasure), but Morinth makes no excuses for what she is.

To be fair, he used to kill for the Hanar state. That absolves him morally of those at least.

The hanar released him from his compact to let him have a family, but with no other skills, Thane freelanced his services. However, after the birth of their son Kolyat, Irikah was murdered in revenge for a batarian mercenary leader who Thane had killed.

http://masseffect.wi...iki/Thane_Krios

[drunken pyromaniac]

Barquiel wrote...

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

To be fair, he used to kill for the Hanar state. That absolves him morally of those at least.

The hanar released him from his compact to let him have a family, but with no other skills, Thane freelanced his services. However, after the birth of their son Kolyat, Irikah was murdered in revenge for a batarian mercenary leader who Thane had killed.

http://masseffect.wi...iki/Thane_Krios

You missed the highlighted text. I never said he was blameless.

[Barquiel]

Collider wrote...

Morinth is a lying monster.

She never lied.

Morinth just says that Shepard is different (cipher, back from the dead)...that's true. If Shepard is stupid enough to melt with her...it's not her fault^_^

[drunken pyromaniac]

Barquiel wrote...

She never lied.

Morinth just says that Shepard is different (cipher, back from the dead)...that's true. If Shepard is stupid enough to melt with her...it's not her fault^_^

She's a pychopath.
She's inherently broken and unfixable.

[Barquiel]

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

You missed the highlighted text. I never said he was blameless.

You're right, my fault:whistle:

[drunken pyromaniac]

Barquiel wrote...

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

You missed the highlighted text. I never said he was blameless.

You're right, my fault:whistle:

No problem, we're all human.

Modifié par drunken pyromaniac, 06 mai 2010 - 08:15 .

[Barquiel]

drunken pyromaniac wrote...
She's a pychopath.
She's inherently broken and unfixable.

maybe, but my point was this...
She is at peace with what she is. She makes no excuses for it.

...unlike Thane (only my body kills people)!

Modifié par Barquiel, 06 mai 2010 - 08:19 .

[drunken pyromaniac]

Barquiel wrote...

maybe, but my point was this...
She is at peace with what she is. She makes no excuses for it.

...unlike Thane (only my body kills people)!

True, he does do these horrible things. He bears a philosophical attitude about it though. That's why I like him he's truly alien. He's still looking for redemption though so no matter what he says he still feels some sort of guilt or need to better the world.

Modifié par drunken pyromaniac, 06 mai 2010 - 08:29 .

[RShara]

Other than the hanar contracts, he never says clearly what kind of contracts he takes. It could just as easily have been taking contracts on "bad" people, like slavers and so forth.

Either way, technically, Shepard, Jacob, and all the other guys who fight for paychecks aren't any better or worse than an assassin who kills for a paycheck.



They do what they can to survive, and quite possibly, improve the place that they're in.

[drunken pyromaniac]

RShara wrote...

Other than the hanar contracts, he never says clearly what kind of contracts he takes. It could just as easily have been taking contracts on "bad" people, like slavers and so forth.
Either way, technically, Shepard, Jacob, and all the other guys who fight for paychecks aren't any better or worse than an assassin who kills for a paycheck.

They do what they can to survive, and quite possibly, improve the place that they're in.

Part one I agree with.
Part two is just ignorant however. Jacob, yes but Shepard never kills anyone who doesn't deserve it.

[Barquiel]

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

Part one I agree with.
Part two is just ignorant however. Jacob, yes but Shepard never kills anyone who doesn't deserve it.

I don't know...renegade Shepard (rachni queen, Shiala)

Jacob, Shepard,... are soldiers. Freelance assassins are criminals (they work for everyone who pays enough). There is a difference imo.

Modifié par Barquiel, 06 mai 2010 - 09:42 .

[drunken pyromaniac]

Barquiel wrote...

I don't know...renegade Shepard (rachni queen, Shiala)

Jacob, Shepard,... are soldiers. Freelance assassins are criminals (they work for everyone who pays enough). There is a difference imo.

Both can be justified. Though I agree here.
Jacob's a terrorist. Whatever his intentions that makes him worse than a criminal.

[RShara]

Soldiers do what they're ordered to (most), and don't generally have enough of a grasp of the situation, or care, whether those orders are "good" or "bad"

[drunken pyromaniac]

RShara wrote...

Soldiers do what they're ordered to (most), and don't generally have enough of a grasp of the situation, or care, whether those orders are "good" or "bad"

Please don't go there. I have family in the military and this could get really bad. Soldiers are not equivalent to murderers. /topic

[Nivenus]

Barquiel wrote...

As I said in the poll section...
I hate his excuse for killing.
This "Thane's body kills people. Thane's mind and soul don't" nonsense...
I think he's a hypocrite. That's the reason why I like Morinth/and hate Thane.
They are both no saints (Thane killed for money, Morinth for pleasure), but Morinth makes no excuses for what she is.

Thane appears to have some qualms. Morinth has absolutely none. Thane is willing to redeem himself. Morinth isn't.

Thane wins.

Incidentally, I was wrong - there's one character who makes less sense as a party member than Thane. And that's Morinth. What kind of idiot would Shepard have to be to recruit her?

I'd much rather have a conflicted killer working for me than a complete sociopath who feels no guilt about what she does. There's a reason why the CIA and FBI don't want sociopaths working for them. The guilt might hold Thane and others like him back. But there's nothing holding back Morinth and other sociopaths except their own will to survive. That makes them untrustworthy.

[RShara]

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

RShara wrote...

Soldiers do what they're ordered to (most), and don't generally have enough of a grasp of the situation, or care, whether those orders are "good" or "bad"

Please don't go there. I have family in the military and this could get really bad. Soldiers are not equivalent to murderers. /topic

My sincere apologies (I don't consider Thane a murderer, but yeah) /topic

Modifié par RShara, 06 mai 2010 - 10:21 .

[Barquiel]

Nivenus wrote...

Thane appears to have some qualms. Morinth has absolutely none. Thane is willing to redeem himself. Morinth isn't.

Thane wins.

Incidentally, I was wrong - there's one character who makes less sense as a party member than Thane. And that's Morinth. What kind of idiot would Shepard have to be to recruit her?

Thane appears to have some qualms. great:wizard:
At the end, his victims are dead (or do you really think Thane never killed innocents)?
He has a free will and can choose to stop being an assassin (after released by the hanar)...he did not.
instead: "his services were up to the highest bidder"
his excuse: "I am just a tool"
At least, Morinth is honest.

reasons for recruiting her? I prefer Samara, but..
- Samara could attack renegade Shepard
- potential
Samara is powerful, but Morinth is equally powerful (+ younger) and every melting makes her stronger.

Modifié par Barquiel, 06 mai 2010 - 10:30 .

[Nivenus]

But Thane does choose to stop being an assassin. It's why he joins Shepard.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Yep, Shepard was actually a wrench in his plans