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[13Dannyboy13]

Feraele wrote...

Branji wrote...

The problem here is a combination of Bioware/EA not caring about the unhappy fans (bad job of patching and DLC and expansions being buggy) and the fanboys who do nothing to help. Fanboys keep getting the DLC which sends a message to EA saying "we don't care about the bugs, we'll keep buying things and supporting your shoddy practices and to hell with the unhappy fans who can't hardly play the game".

Help everyone by not accepting anymore material for the game until it and the expansion, and DLC are fixed.

If you keep accepting things, you clearly don't care about the fans, no matter what you say. Your actions will prove you are lying if you say you care about the situation.

So...I should refrain from buying a dlc ...to help you and your buddies out?    Even if I have no problems..and LIKE the game? 

Hmmmm..okay I'll do that, how much will you pay me NOT to buy dlcs and expansions...I want to be reimbursed for my troubles....mmmmkay? 

It's your choice whether or not to buy this dlc in the end. The point he was trying to make is that not buying it is really the only message that might actually get noticed by them and maybe get them to support this game. If enough people refused to buy anymore stuff from them until they actually fixed the game then maybe they would actually do it.
It's obvious that fixing the game is nowhere near the top of the list on their priorities, and not supporting them until they do something to fix the game is really the only course of action that stands a chance of working.   (a very small chance, but still...) As it is right now they have no reason to spend any money on fixes because they can do nothing and people continue to buy everything. In the end though, it's your choice whether or not to buy this dlc.

[edgarcabrerauk]

ozenglish wrote...

DeathViper1959 wrote...

Hey Guy's

I was just browsing the forum in this thread and was just checking to see if any progress has been made since i quit playing DOA/DAA a week ago.

i am wondering if i can take my games back to Best Buy and get a refund, if not then i will simply refuse to buy anything else Bioware or EA, it's their loss not mine as there are so many games on the market and with e-bay so many older games to choose from.

when i was younger, if a product was bad, people would boycot the company that produced the bad product.

fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

i think i might at least try returning DAO/DAA to Best Buy and complain to them that the game has issues that are not being fixed, if a retailer such as Best Buy, got enough complaints maybe they as a nation wide chain could intervien and say hey EA/Bioware your not just affecting your bussiness, but now you are affecting our's you need to step up to the plate and take care of this.

we may well be ignored, but can they afford to ignor a national retailer?

maybe for those of us who cannot play the game because of bugs, if we at least try to take these games back to the retailers, if done by a large enough nuber of us, then Biocrap and Electronic Ass

would have to take note from the retailers, if we set a date, and as many of us as possible tried to return DAO/DAA on the same day. maybe this would force them to do something.

nation wide boycots of the past worked well to effect a change in company policy, tic off your customer base/fan base and you lose.

Ok, so any retailer will tell you that they cannot accept a refund on open software, and that they can do an exchange for you within 15 days. If they even go further than that, they may tell you to read the EULA in your game that mentions that software will be exchanged if found to be defective physically within 30 days.  Sorry to burst your bubble and all, but as a retailer, there is no chance on this earth would I take it back. You may have copied it for all I know, and are just wanting to save money. Also, do you still retain your receipt of purchase? If not, then definitely not. **EDIT** I think the only way anyone would be able to make a BIG DEAL out of this, is if everyone who is unhappy and angry witht their games, all got together and burnt it in one gigantic bonfire. The only way that would get attention is from all the corpses of angry gamers who died from asphyxiation from hazardous plastic, Which would only make EA find a new supplier of game boxes.

Actually, an xbox game is considered a consumer good in the UK, so you have 6 months to return it and many have done, don't know in the USA....

[ijustwananame1]

Branji wrote...

The problem here is a combination of Bioware/EA not caring about the unhappy fans (bad job of patching and DLC and expansions being buggy) and the fanboys who do nothing to help. Fanboys keep getting the DLC which sends a message to EA saying "we don't care about the bugs, we'll keep buying things and supporting your shoddy practices and to hell with the unhappy fans who can't hardly play the game".

And what about those of us who aren't fanboys...?

I've had no problems with DA. If there are bugs, they are minimal and have, in no way, detrimentally effected my experience. I throughly enjoy DA.

Why should I scream and yell about a patch if I have no need of one?

Instead, I come on the forums to read about the new DLC and every thread is derailed by an issue that I, frankly, have no interest in.

[Kwanzaabot]

ijustwananame1 wrote...
And what about those of us who aren't fanboys...?

I've had no problems with DA. If there are bugs, they are minimal and have, in no way, detrimentally effected my experience. I throughly enjoy DA.

Why should I scream and yell about a patch if I have no need of one?

Instead, I come on the forums to read about the new DLC and every thread is derailed by an issue that I, frankly, have no interest in.

This.

I get that people are having issues (hell, I couldn't even play Mass Effect 1 past the first cutscene, so believe me, I know a thing or two about game-breaking bugs), but ****ing and moaning about it isn't going to fix anything.

The fact is, patches will come out when they come out. These things take time, and I would not be surprised if Bioware's employees are under some kind of non-disclosure agreement that forbids them from talking about upcoming content until the go-ahead is given by the higher-ups.

After all, what's stopping some low-level programmer who's on the patch team from coming in, and saying "hey guys, I'm on the patch team, and we are working on a patch, but we're having some issues getting it to work" or whatever? It's probably that he/she wants to keep his/her job.

[Sidney]

ijustwananame1 wrote...

I've had no problems with DA. If there are bugs, they are minimal and have, in no way, detrimentally effected my experience. I throughly enjoy DA.

Why should I scream and yell about a patch if I have no need of one?

Instead, I come on the forums to read about the new DLC and every thread is derailed by an issue that I, frankly, have no interest in.

Same here, there's a core of poeple who appear to have actual issues or have some sort of other issues. I've been down this path before where people will tell me about all the game breaking bugs and at this point there's nothing much to say other than I either don't have them, don't notice them or don't care. It is amazing that in my household we've finished these bug ridden unplayable games 7 time for DAO and 3 times for 3 DAA.

[ijustwananame1]

Kwanzaabot wrote...

I get that people are having issues (hell, I couldn't even play Mass Effect 1 past the first cutscene, so believe me, I know a thing or two about game-breaking bugs), but ****ing and moaning about it isn't going to fix anything.

The fact is, patches will come out when they come out. These things take time, and I would not be surprised if Bioware's employees are under some kind of non-disclosure agreement that forbids them from talking about upcoming content until the go-ahead is given by the higher-ups.

After all, what's stopping some low-level programmer who's on the patch team from coming in, and saying "hey guys, I'm on the patch team, and we are working on a patch, but we're having some issues getting it to work" or whatever? It's probably that he/she wants to keep his/her job.

Exactly.

However, I do see the point of mentioning it in the DLC threads. ... In that by not buying the DLC you're objecting to BW's actions....

However, does that mean that every single conversation about new content has to immediately descend into patch-spam?

Use another thread, there are enough of them around.

There are people on this forum who'd like to find about new DLC without having to wade through endless "I want a patch" posts.

We all get it. You want a patch. Awesome. However, this thread is about the new DLC.

If you don't want to buy the new DLC, that's great, freedom of choice and all... however, why don't you just say "I'm not buying this because my game is broken" and leave it at that? If anything, I'd say that that'd make a bigger impression, endless 1 line posts, rather than ranting and labelling everyone else as a fanboy.

[ijustwananame1]

Sidney wrote...

Same here, there's a core of poeple who appear to have actual issues or have some sort of other issues. I've been down this path before where people will tell me about all the game breaking bugs and at this point there's nothing much to say other than I either don't have them, don't notice them or don't care. It is amazing that in my household we've finished these bug ridden unplayable games 7 time for DAO and 3 times for 3 DAA.

I want to be clear - I'm not taking exception to anything you wrote.

I get that there are problems for people.

I've been down the bug route too.

I didn't throw my toys out of the pram / stroller when it happened however.

For everyone who's whining incessently -- there's an option available to you: Don't buy the DLC. However, don't come and jump up and down at those of us who do.

Modifié par ijustwananame1, 12 mai 2010 - 02:10 .

[errant_knight]

Perhaps those for whom the patch is the issue could just say 'I'm not buying this UTGIP' (until the game is patched). That way, they can make their point without derailling the tread with extensive patch discussions which really have nothing to do with the DLC except as a reason for not purchasing. That way, the tread stays on topic, and their point is made. Of course, it helps if people don't call them on their patch related posts as that just extends the discussion.

Modifié par errant_knight, 12 mai 2010 - 03:25 .

[edgarcabrerauk]

ijustwananame1 wrote...

Sidney wrote...

Same here, there's a core of poeple who appear to have actual issues or have some sort of other issues. I've been down this path before where people will tell me about all the game breaking bugs and at this point there's nothing much to say other than I either don't have them, don't notice them or don't care. It is amazing that in my household we've finished these bug ridden unplayable games 7 time for DAO and 3 times for 3 DAA.

I want to be clear - I'm not taking exception to anything you wrote.

I get that there are problems for people.

I've been down the bug route too.

I didn't throw my toys out of the pram / stroller when it happened however.

For everyone who's whining incessently -- there's an option available to you: Don't buy the DLC. However, don't come and jump up and down at those of us who do.

Reposting:

As for the people who have no issues playing the game, good for you... I know many just speak out the knowledge that there are other people who have been waiting for a patch since 6 months ago, if you mind to go to the first posts in the forum, there were no complains, no "whining" or else... EA/BW had got their time to fix the game and it didn't do it, this is especially remarkable in console versions. Patience has its limits and many of those "shouting, whining, moaning" people have run out of it. Sorry, but EA/BW brought this to themselves, if there were a patch (a real patch) every 2 months or one big patch 3 months ago. most of us wouldn't be complaining...

Specifically on Xbox 2 main bugs delivered as-is:
1) Corrupted saves
2) Dex broken

I'm not talking about if Anora gets married with Morrigan and my character become King and get married with Lelina or to change the colours of the effects because I don't like it pink, red or whatever... on the Xbox those 2 bugs really really affects the game

6 months passed and on the Xbox side there is no fix... why coming here and don't use the Xbox tech forum? because all the posts in the forum are about requesting a patch, and due to the lack of attention from EA/BW, we have to come here to make public such issues. 

I know it can be annoying reading "whining, moaning, f***ing, etc" when you have a PC and your game runs with no problem., but don't you think if EA/BW do something about it, you'll be less annoyed? we can be here having a row while BW/EA sits there smiling at how we keep fighting each other.

If BW/EA considers a favour to fix their faulty product (specifically on the Xbox) then what can you expect from them in future releases?... and yes, I would never support an organisation that has not respect and it's arrogant with a faulty product, being video game, cars, etc.  

[errant_knight]

Or we could just keep talking about the patch. *sigh*

[edgarcabrerauk]

errant_knight wrote...

Or we could just keep talking about the patch. *sigh*

yes, boring, but the original topic died like 8 pages ago.... 

[GammaRayJim]

I believe that people have the right to state the reason why they would or would not be interested in any DLC. If people left other peoples reason for purchasing or not purchasing a DLC alone then there would be a lot less bickering to wade through. As for learning about new DLC content go to page one Chris Priestly's post has all the info anyone should need the rest is all speculation.

[Frogman1975]

Kwanzaabot wrote...
, but ****ing and moaning about it isn't going to fix anything.

Someone hasn't heard about the squeaky wheel and the grease, eh?

I get your overall point though, about NDAs and such like.  I still think these forums could be a valid place to discuss the relation of the new DLC to patch and game issues, if people would do it like adults. But this is the internets. No maturity allowed.

Modifié par Frogman1975, 12 mai 2010 - 04:03 .

[Frogman1975]

errant_knight wrote...

Perhaps those for whom the patch is the issue could just say 'I'm not buying this UTGIP' (until the game is patched). That way, they can make their point without derailling the tread with extensive patch discussions which really have nothing to do with the DLC except as a reason for not purchasing. That way, the tread stays on topic, and their point is made. Of course, it helps if people don't call them on their patch related posts as that just extends the discussion.

Exactly. What happens every time is someone says exactly that ('I'm not buying this UTGIP'), then someone else says "you're stupid, this is going to be awesome, you're just a whiner", then that original poster, or more usually someone else entirely who decides to champion the OP or takes offense (or a dozen someone elses) jumps in with "you're stupid for wanting it", then the whole thing degrades.

Or vice versa, someone else says "I'm really looking forward to this," and instead of letting it go, maybe saying "gosh, you're so lucky, I wish my game were working so I could check it out", someone derides them for not pushing for a patch or boycotting, and the whole thing degrades.

Then the real valid patch related questions about the DLC, such as "Is there a possibility of a patch accompanying this DLC?" and "Will I be able to play this DLC in the base game if I haven't updated to 1.03?" all get lost in the shuffle.

Add on top of that console players vs PC players / 360 vs PS3 / Macs have it harder than all of y'all distractions about whose bugs / issues are worse, and the next thing you know, you're creeping up on 50 pages, with nothing productive having occurred.

Modifié par Frogman1975, 12 mai 2010 - 04:24 .

[edgarcabrerauk]

Frogman1975 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Perhaps those for whom the patch is the issue could just say 'I'm not buying this UTGIP' (until the game is patched). That way, they can make their point without derailling the tread with extensive patch discussions which really have nothing to do with the DLC except as a reason for not purchasing. That way, the tread stays on topic, and their point is made. Of course, it helps if people don't call them on their patch related posts as that just extends the discussion.

Exactly. What happens every time is someone says exactly that ('I'm not buying this UTGIP'), then someone else says "you're stupid, this is going to be awesome, you're just a whiner", then that original poster, or more usually someone else entirely who decides to champion the OP or takes offense (or a dozen someone elses) jumps in with "you're stupid for wanting it", then the whole thing degrades.

Or vice versa, someone else says "I'm really looking forward to this," and instead of letting it go, maybe saying "gosh, you're so lucky, I wish my game were working so I could check it out", someone derides them for not pushing for a patch or boycotting, and the whole thing degrades.

Then the real valid patch related questions about the DLC, such as "Is there a possibility of a patch accompanying this DLC?" and "Will I be able to play this DLC in the base game if I haven't updated to 1.03?" all get lost in the shuffle.

Add on top of that console players vs PC players / 360 vs PS3 / Macs have it harder than all of y'all distractions about whose bugs / issues are worse, and the next thing you know, you're creeping up on 50 pages, with nothing productive having occurred.

And due to the fact that BW/EA does not answer such questions, nothing happens and the frustration grows as well...

[DeathViper1959]

[quote]Frogman1975 wrote...

[quote]Dargar21 wrote...

Did you guys read the news about what EA's doing on Madden 2011 and other sports game?

http://videogames.ya...-you-10/1398633

Honestly, how greedy can a company get?[/quote]

Well, for one, this isn't really that relevant to the topic of this thread. For another, this just applies to folks who buy the game used. The folks who are mad Madden fans, chomping at the bit for release day to play online, are buying it new anyway. This is honestly more to stop pirates and counterfeiters (or at least to get $10 from pirates and purchasers of counterfeit media) than it is anything else.

I'm kind of ambivalent about it. On the one hand, I think it's better than stuff like Ubisoft's gamebreaking DRM.

On the other, it can start to feel like you are being nickeled and dimed.

Yes it dose apply to this thread, as this is an EA policy, and that poicy will be company wide and will not end with madden,

this is an attack on all gamers who buy used, if they will do it for madden as a test bed, then other games comming out will be digital download and while maybe transferable, any online content will be locked to the original buyer.

well over 3/4 of all my games were bought on e-bay. including the entire Baldurs Gate series, the entire Icewind Dale series,  and the entire NWN seiries.

Madden football is just a test bed for them, to see what numbers come out of it, if it is still profitable, then they will incorporate this stratogy into all of their new content, affecting all of us.

[macrocarl]

I'll wait on this one and see how buggy it is. Looks fun, appreciate all the support for the franchise but there are some not -so-nifty bugs in DA:O, and DA:A needs some serious attention before I dump more $$$ into future DLC.

[Frogman1975]

DeathViper1959 wrote...

Frogman1975 wrote...

Dargar21 wrote...

Did you guys read the news about what EA's doing on Madden 2011 and other sports game?

http://videogames.ya...-you-10/1398633

Honestly, how greedy can a company get?

Well, for one, this isn't really that relevant to the topic of this thread. For another, this just applies to folks who buy the game used. The folks who are mad Madden fans, chomping at the bit for release day to play online, are buying it new anyway. This is honestly more to stop pirates and counterfeiters (or at least to get $10 from pirates and purchasers of counterfeit media) than it is anything else.

I'm kind of ambivalent about it. On the one hand, I think it's better than stuff like Ubisoft's gamebreaking DRM.

On the other, it can start to feel like you are being nickeled and dimed.

Yes it dose apply to this thread, as this is an EA policy, and that poicy will be company wide and will not end with madden,

this is an attack on all gamers who buy used, if they will do it for madden as a test bed, then other games comming out will be digital download and while maybe transferable, any online content will be locked to the original buyer.

well over 3/4 of all my games were bought on e-bay. including the entire Baldurs Gate series, the entire Icewind Dale series,  and the entire NWN seiries.

Madden football is just a test bed for them, to see what numbers come out of it, if it is still profitable, then they will incorporate this stratogy into all of their new content, affecting all of us.

No, it doesn't apply to this thread, which is about a particular piece of DLC and things related to it. (But nonetheless, you pushed my troll button I guess, lol.)

And we already have it for other games. What do you think Cerberus network was for ME2? It comes bundled with new copies of the game, and if you buy it second hand and want the access, you have to buy it separately.

Frankly, I have no problem with this. It doesn't stop you from playing the base game in any way shape or form, and if anything, it is going to push down the prices of used games even more. I mean, its kind of silly that if I want to buy a used game, it's still costing me $50 (which is what I see with a lot of recent games when I go to GameStop).

What I see happening with this is, to make it so that its economically viable for folks to still buy used games, the prices of newer used games will get pushed down more than they have been (otherwise, what is the incentive to buy used?). Instead of getting used games for $10 under new game prices, we are going to see them for $15 to $20 cheaper. Folks will still be able to play the single player campaigns for games with an online element, or play the base game sans add-on DLC (which is supplemental and not necessary to play or enjoy the game). Then, after trying this more economical experience, if they decide they want the online or add-on experience they can just purchase the code, still at a savings over the new game. Or they can trade the used game in and buy a new version. Or whatever floats their boat.

In an ideal world, this could even be a workable strategy for opening up a second hand PC game market.

Modifié par Frogman1975, 12 mai 2010 - 07:51 .

[13Dannyboy13]

Frogman1975 wrote...

No, it doesn't apply to this thread, which is about a particular piece of DLC and things related to it. (But nonetheless, you pushed my troll button I guess, lol.)

And we already have it for other games. What do you think Cerberus network was for ME2? It comes bundled with new copies of the game, and if you buy it second hand and want the access, you have to buy it separately.

Frankly, I have no problem with this. It doesn't stop you from playing the base game in any way shape or form, and if anything, it is going to push down the prices of used games even more. I mean, its kind of silly that if I want to buy a used game, it's still costing me $50 (which is what I see with a lot of recent games when I go to GameStop).

What I see happening with this is, to make it so that its economically viable for folks to still buy used games, the prices of newer used games will get pushed down more than they have been (otherwise, what is the incentive to buy used?). Instead of getting used games for $10 under new game prices, we are going to see them for $15 to $20 cheaper.

In an ideal world, this could even be a workable strategy for opening up a second hand PC game market.

Since we're going off topic a bit I might as well ad my two cents. This will not an any way help the used game market, it's EA trying to do the exact opposite which is to make it obsolete so everyone who wants the "full" game will have to buy from them. You used the Cerberus network which is a good example, now that costs 1200 ms points for xbox which means you have to buy 1500 costing about $23, and it's very very unlikely to find a used copy of ME2 for that much cheaper than new.
My biggest fear with this new trend is that they will purposely withhold content for the purpose of a quick moneygrab, which has been done already, since they get no money from used sales, which IMO is the only reason they are doing this, it's just greed, they want to get a piece of everything no matter who sells it. I doubt that these stores will be able to sell the used games that much cheaper and hope to get any profit from it, all it will mean to us who buy and sell used games is that we will get that much less for our games when we trade them in and will have to pay that much more buying them used due to having to "buy" the rest of the game. As far as I can tell it's just EA being greedy and trying to muscle out anyone who gets in the way of their profits. We will lose they will win.

[DeathViper1959]

some of you say that moaning isnt going to solve anything, yet i was always told that the squeeky wheel gets the grease.



if enough people are upset and express it on the forums, then EA/Bioware will see this and figure that there are more people that cannot play this game than those that can play.



if you can play without any lag or loading issues or cut sceens that take an hour or more to painfully go through, then good for you, how about posting your PC system specs unless you have an xbox or whatever.



i think there are more of us who are having issues that are game stopping than those of you claiming you have no trouble.



the only way to force a company giant like EA to fix its broken product is to hit them where it hurts, and this would be their pocket book, through the loss of sales across the their entire product range.



i have just relized that i cannot reture DAO/DAA to best buy, so i am stuck with these two pieces of junk, i could try e-bay but have already seen many copies for sale there.



this means that i would get less than half what i paid for both in this past month, right at 100.00 with tax for DAO and DAA.



also i got Shale with a redemption code in DAO, only i can use shale, no-one else can use him if i sold my games on e-bay.



if you bought a brand new car and had the same amount of problems with it as with you do with a brand new game, there would be a nation wide recall to fix the problems because you cant sell a new car with problems and not be responcible to fix them.



if you say that there this is different for this and that reasons, i still say the principle is the same, wether the item purchased is 50.00 or 25,000 if you can give an ince here, it wont be long before the exspencive item wants to take the same mile later on down the road because both share a comon principle.

[Frogman1975]

13Dannyboy13 wrote...

Frogman1975 wrote...

No, it doesn't apply to this thread, which is about a particular piece of DLC and things related to it. (But nonetheless, you pushed my troll button I guess, lol.)

And we already have it for other games. What do you think Cerberus network was for ME2? It comes bundled with new copies of the game, and if you buy it second hand and want the access, you have to buy it separately.

Frankly, I have no problem with this. It doesn't stop you from playing the base game in any way shape or form, and if anything, it is going to push down the prices of used games even more. I mean, its kind of silly that if I want to buy a used game, it's still costing me $50 (which is what I see with a lot of recent games when I go to GameStop).

What I see happening with this is, to make it so that its economically viable for folks to still buy used games, the prices of newer used games will get pushed down more than they have been (otherwise, what is the incentive to buy used?). Instead of getting used games for $10 under new game prices, we are going to see them for $15 to $20 cheaper.

In an ideal world, this could even be a workable strategy for opening up a second hand PC game market.

Since we're going off topic a bit I might as well ad my two cents. This will not an any way help the used game market, it's EA trying to do the exact opposite which is to make it obsolete so everyone who wants the "full" game will have to buy from them. You used the Cerberus network which is a good example, now that costs 1200 ms points for xbox which means you have to buy 1500 costing about $23, and it's very very unlikely to find a used copy of ME2 for that much cheaper than new.
My biggest fear with this new trend is that they will purposely withhold content for the purpose of a quick moneygrab, which has been done already, since they get no money from used sales, which IMO is the only reason they are doing this, it's just greed, they want to get a piece of everything no matter who sells it. I doubt that these stores will be able to sell the used games that much cheaper and hope to get any profit from it, all it will mean to us who buy and sell used games is that we will get that much less for our games when we trade them in and will have to pay that much more buying them used due to having to "buy" the rest of the game. As far as I can tell it's just EA being greedy and trying to muscle out anyone who gets in the way of their profits. We will lose they will win.

Whatareyougonnado? I understand feeling like you are being nickeled and dimed to death. But shareholders and money men demand they do something about the "pirate scourge". So they did something.
 
Personally, I find this a workable compromise. Much better than totally locking out paying PC players like Ubisoft did while pirates laughed and played on.

I don't expect to get the pre-order bonuses or other packed-in content when I buy used, so what is so different about this?  It's just going to end up being money shuffled around. Instead of paying $50 for a used game, you'll pay $40 and have the option to buy a code card from the GameStop for $10. They've already annoucned they will sell code cards at second hand retailers. That is how the used game stores will make up the difference in lost revenue from the need to lower game prices even more, how EA will still collect a small portion on pre-owned games (even more if folks buy the codes direct from them instead of from the shop), and how they will calm the fears of investors who are nervous about pirates and second hand sales.

Much as we all hate it, this is a business, and EA has more of a responsibility to assuage the fears of their shareholders (even potentially misguided fears) than they do to make life easier for GameStop and EBay sellers.

Modifié par Frogman1975, 12 mai 2010 - 08:32 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

13Dannyboy13 wrote...

My biggest fear with this new trend is that they will purposely withhold content for the purpose of a quick moneygrab, which has been done already, since they get no money from used sales, which IMO is the only reason they are doing this, it's just greed, they want to get a piece of everything no matter who sells it.

What do you mean "it's just greed"?

It's a desire to increase the return on their investment, yes.  That desire drives everything they do, and should drive every action of every publicly traded corporation in the world.  That's the whole point of publicly traded corporations.

[Zy-El]

DeathViper1959 wrote...
some of you say that moaning isnt going to solve anything, yet i was always told that the squeeky wheel gets the grease.

Maybe, it gets to be whining when it is every second post on every thread in every forum.

if enough people are upset and express it on the forums, then EA/Bioware will see this and figure that there are more people that cannot play this game than those that can play.

if you can play without any lag or loading issues or cut sceens that take an hour or more to painfully go through, then good for you, how about posting your PC system specs unless you have an xbox or whatever.

i think there are more of us who are having issues that are game stopping than those of you claiming you have no trouble.

I suspect there's probably more people who CAN play Dragon Age without major bugs (myself included) and my PC is 4-years-old running Windows XP - not a monster gaming machine by any means.

if you bought a brand new car and had the same amount of problems with it as with you do with a brand new game, there would be a nation wide recall to fix the problems because you cant sell a new car with problems and not be responcible to fix them.

if you say that there this is different for this and that reasons, i still say the principle is the same, wether the item purchased is 50.00 or 25,000 if you can give an ince here, it wont be long before the exspencive item wants to take the same mile later on down the road because both share a comon principle.

With a car, don't you test drive it before you buy it?  Did you not research Dragon Age before buying it?  The game worked fine for me so I bought the expansion despite all the "doom-and-gloom" warnings - I realized most of those major crashes and bugs were on consoles and not PC's.

Modifié par Zy-El, 12 mai 2010 - 09:03 .

[edgarcabrerauk]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

13Dannyboy13 wrote...

My biggest fear with this new trend is that they will purposely withhold content for the purpose of a quick moneygrab, which has been done already, since they get no money from used sales, which IMO is the only reason they are doing this, it's just greed, they want to get a piece of everything no matter who sells it.

What do you mean "it's just greed"?

It's a desire to increase the return on their investment, yes.  That desire drives everything they do, and should drive every action of every publicly traded corporation in the world.  That's the whole point of publicly traded corporations.

On terms of ROI, it is a corporate directive, the big problem here is that in order to meet the ROI goal, BW/EA are incurring in unfair business practices and it is against the good corporate citizen practices... if your customer has the notion of you being greedy, that hurt the brand and the building of franchise... you can obtain a good ROI from a quality product, making a value to your costumers, you are building a brand and enhancing it,... to hear a statement that a patch is a favour because the company it is not obligated to deliver good quality software products according ton the EULA, you are talking about the lowest justification of a faulty product... yes, it is not greed it is just plain business stupidity...

[Frogman1975]

edgarcabrerauk wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

13Dannyboy13 wrote...

My biggest fear with this new trend is that they will purposely withhold content for the purpose of a quick moneygrab, which has been done already, since they get no money from used sales, which IMO is the only reason they are doing this, it's just greed, they want to get a piece of everything no matter who sells it.

What do you mean "it's just greed"?

It's a desire to increase the return on their investment, yes.  That desire drives everything they do, and should drive every action of every publicly traded corporation in the world.  That's the whole point of publicly traded corporations.

On terms of ROI, it is a corporate directive, the big problem here is that in order to meet the ROI goal, BW/EA are incurring in unfair business practices and it is against the good corporate citizen practices... if your customer has the notion of you being greedy, that hurt the brand and the building of franchise... you can obtain a good ROI from a quality product, making a value to your costumers, you are building a brand and enhancing it,... to hear a statement that a patch is a favour because the company it is not obligated to deliver good quality software products according ton the EULA, you are talking about the lowest justification of a faulty product... yes, it is not greed it is just plain business stupidity...

This one isn't about the patch Ed. It's about the free DLC or online play that only comes with new copies and requires people who rent, beg, borrow, steal, or buy used to pay an extra $10 if they want all the extra goodies. We've gone WAY off topic.