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[13Dannyboy13]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

13Dannyboy13 wrote...

My biggest fear with this new trend is that they will purposely withhold content for the purpose of a quick moneygrab, which has been done already, since they get no money from used sales, which IMO is the only reason they are doing this, it's just greed, they want to get a piece of everything no matter who sells it.

What do you mean "it's just greed"?

It's a desire to increase the return on their investment, yes.  That desire drives everything they do, and should drive every action of every publicly traded corporation in the world.  That's the whole point of publicly traded corporations.

What I meant is that their whole idea to "deal" with piracy will do nothing to stop it, they simply want to get money from people buying used games. (I'm not condoning piracy, just using it to make a point) If someone pirates the game, they can just as easily pirate the extra content, the fact that you have to pay EA an extra $10-15, sometimes more,  to get the "full" game is what I meant by greed. They use piracy as an excuse to charge people buying used games extra money since they see none of that money that the store gets for a used game sale. In the end it does nothing to stop piracy and just lines their pockets even more. All it does is make buying a used game pointless since you will end up paying more for it used than new to get everything. There's no problem making profits, and EA makes huge profits, but when profits are more important than anything else like supporting the products they release , it's gone too far. I know that this will never change and it's just my opinion, I'm just sad to see the direction thing are headed.

[Wicked 702]

I've made my posts in a constructive manner. I've detailed the critical problems users are facing and the lack of support therein. If you still don't understand why we (the discontented) post in these annoucement forums, there's really nothing more I can say.

What I can tell you is the people who "don't experience any bugs" are completely failing to see the big picture. Why aren't you able to put yourself in someone else's shoes? Imagine, just for a moment, that it was you that had lost multiple characters and 200+ hours just because you sold everything to Bodahn. Ask yourself, what's the better response?

#1: "Well, it didn't happen to me so it's not an issue. Don't know what the big deal is. Stop whining everyone."

or #2: "That could just have easily been me. It could even be me next time or next game. What's going on to fix this?"

And if you really, truly, honestly believe that you can answer #2, can you look at the support that has been provided (across all platforms) and say that Bioware has done their due diligence? I don't expect ya'll to stop buying the DLC. But I would like people to recognize that all the "whining" would happily stop if some reasonable effort was made on Bioware's part. But more and more people are looking at that 6 month mark on their calendars and thinking, "wait, what's reasonable about this exactly?"

We'll stop when they start.....

[edgarcabrerauk]

[quote]Zy-El wrote...

[quote]DeathViper1959 wrote...
some of you say that moaning isnt going to solve anything, yet i was always told that the squeeky wheel gets the grease.[/quote]

Maybe, it gets to be whining when it is every second post on every thread in every forum.
.[/quote]

And your whining on someone else's whining makes a difference?, perhaps it is the tone?...

[quote]
if enough people are upset and express it on the forums, then EA/Bioware will see this and figure that there are more people that cannot play this game than those that can play.

if you can play without any lag or loading issues or cut sceens that take an hour or more to painfully go through, then good for you, how about posting your PC system specs unless you have an xbox or whatever.

i think there are more of us who are having issues that are game stopping than those of you claiming you have no trouble.[/quote]

I suspect there's probably more people who CAN play Dragon Age without major bugs (myself included) and my PC is 4-years-old running Windows XP - not a monster gaming machine by any means.

.[/quote]

If you suspect that MORE people CAN play, that does not mean you are right... unless you've got a scientific research that can support your theory, that is not a valid argument, sorry.

[quote]
if you bought a brand new car and had the same amount of problems with it as with you do with a brand new game, there would be a nation wide recall to fix the problems because you cant sell a new car with problems and not be responcible to fix them.

if you say that there this is different for this and that reasons, i still say the principle is the same, wether the item purchased is 50.00 or 25,000 if you can give an ince here, it wont be long before the exspencive item wants to take the same mile later on down the road because both share a comon principle.

With a car, don't you test drive it before you buy it?  Did you not research Dragon Age before buying it?  The game worked fine for me so I bought the expansion despite all the "doom-and-gloom" warnings - I realized most of those major crashes and bugs were on consoles and not PC's.[/quote]


"With a car, don't you test drive it before you buy it?" but you don't test drive a game, you've got a demo which is a piece of software to demonstrate how functional it can be, it is not a pilot...

And you are missing the whole point of the post, since you buy something, your customer rights shall entitle you to return a product that does not fulfill your customer expectations, in  a plain example, if a bleach works good for you, but not for the other person, that other person has the right to return and reclaim an refund...  sorry but since a video game is a end customer product, it should be abide to such rules, it is not a corporate or business product.

Modifié par edgarcabrerauk, 12 mai 2010 - 09:50 .

[edgarcabrerauk]

Frogman1975 wrote...

edgarcabrerauk wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

13Dannyboy13 wrote...

My biggest fear with this new trend is that they will purposely withhold content for the purpose of a quick moneygrab, which has been done already, since they get no money from used sales, which IMO is the only reason they are doing this, it's just greed, they want to get a piece of everything no matter who sells it.

What do you mean "it's just greed"?

It's a desire to increase the return on their investment, yes.  That desire drives everything they do, and should drive every action of every publicly traded corporation in the world.  That's the whole point of publicly traded corporations.

On terms of ROI, it is a corporate directive, the big problem here is that in order to meet the ROI goal, BW/EA are incurring in unfair business practices and it is against the good corporate citizen practices... if your customer has the notion of you being greedy, that hurt the brand and the building of franchise... you can obtain a good ROI from a quality product, making a value to your costumers, you are building a brand and enhancing it,... to hear a statement that a patch is a favour because the company it is not obligated to deliver good quality software products according ton the EULA, you are talking about the lowest justification of a faulty product... yes, it is not greed it is just plain business stupidity...

This one isn't about the patch Ed. It's about the free DLC or online play that only comes with new copies and requires people who rent, beg, borrow, steal, or buy used to pay an extra $10 if they want all the extra goodies. We've gone WAY off topic.

Sorry m8,I just got excited that someone tried to use a business term... my bad... but still, if EA business practices were good, lots of people will pay the $10 without hesitation

[edgarcabrerauk]

Wicked 702 wrote...

I've made my posts in a constructive manner. I've detailed the critical problems users are facing and the lack of support therein. If you still don't understand why we (the discontented) post in these annoucement forums, there's really nothing more I can say.

What I can tell you is the people who "don't experience any bugs" are completely failing to see the big picture. Why aren't you able to put yourself in someone else's shoes? Imagine, just for a moment, that it was you that had lost multiple characters and 200+ hours just because you sold everything to Bodahn. Ask yourself, what's the better response?

#1: "Well, it didn't happen to me so it's not an issue. Don't know what the big deal is. Stop whining everyone."

or #2: "That could just have easily been me. It could even be me next time or next game. What's going on to fix this?"

And if you really, truly, honestly believe that you can answer #2, can you look at the support that has been provided (across all platforms) and say that Bioware has done their due diligence? I don't expect ya'll to stop buying the DLC. But I would like people to recognize that all the "whining" would happily stop if some reasonable effort was made on Bioware's part. But more and more people are looking at that 6 month mark on their calendars and thinking, "wait, what's reasonable about this exactly?"

We'll stop when they start.....

And that is exactly what we are trying to achieve... thank you m8 :happy:

[DeathViper1959]

After reading the original post made by Stan Woo, i was horrified that they would hide behind the EULA



It is a favour. We are under no obligation to provide post-release patches. I believe the EULA for most, if not all games states something to the effect of the product being released "as-is" and the software having no warranty in and of itself. I seem to remember reading that, so please correct me if I'm wrong. Any warranty included in game purchases relates directly to the physical media on which the game is printed.



You are not entitled to a game that works to your specifications or to your satisfaction, but we still work darned hard to try and make it as painless and bug-free as we can. That is something people can and do thank us for: our commitment to quality.



I can almost here the F-You in there concerning patches.



i assume they get paid more for new game developement, than to assist writting a patch for a game thats is considered to be already done.



i just had a thought, and no it didnt hurt lol,



what if EA/Bioware are upset that any of their DLC can be recreated by an user/modder, i have already seen and used a mod that gives the dragon age journeys items to ther game, same items same stats, just different names.



i have and have seen Calins armour, that is supposed to be available from the "return to ostagar" DLC.



so maybe and this is just an after thought type thing, that they are unhappy because their modding tools allow any content to be made, including their own DLC content, what was to be an extra cash cow, is only drawing the super fans into buying the DLC, but many of us are downloading the same content only under a different name.



this was just my attempt to affix a reason as to why they are being so tight lipped, and hiding behind the EULA concerning patches, they may well be giving up on DAO/DAA, and going to address these things in DA2.



Maybe the modding tools will not be able to recreate their DLC in any form or fashion.



maybe i am grasping at straws but i am at a loss as to why we who cannot play the game "AS IS" are being ignored.



shot in the foot, and their so vain, They gave EA a bad name!

[Zy-El]

edgarcabrerauk wrote...

Zy-El wrote...
I suspect there's probably more people who CAN play Dragon Age without major bugs (myself included) and my PC is 4-years-old running Windows XP - not a monster gaming machine by any means.
.

If you suspect that MORE people CAN play, that does not mean you are right... unless you've got a scientific research who can support your theory, that is not a valid argument, sorry.

Dragon Age - Video Game of the Year.  The fact that the game has proven profitable for Bioware/EA is proof that the game works for MOST people.  If it failed for the majority of users, people would have stopped buying it long before it became profitable - is that not so?  Simple reasoning.

Or are you conceding that people are so ignorant as to buy a product sight unseen in droves upon droves, only find out later that they've purchased garbage?  For myself, I did some research and waited a couple months after the game came out before installing and playing it.

[13Dannyboy13]

Zy-El wrote...

edgarcabrerauk wrote...

Zy-El wrote...
I suspect there's probably more people who CAN play Dragon Age without major bugs (myself included) and my PC is 4-years-old running Windows XP - not a monster gaming machine by any means.
.

If you suspect that MORE people CAN play, that does not mean you are right... unless you've got a scientific research who can support your theory, that is not a valid argument, sorry.

Dragon Age - Video Game of the Year.  The fact that the game has proven profitable for Bioware/EA is proof that the game works for MOST people.  If it failed for the majority of users, people would have stopped buying it long before it became profitable - is that not so?  Simple reasoning.

Or are you conceding that people are so ignorant as to buy a product sight unseen in droves upon droves, only find out later that they've purchased garbage?  For myself, I did some research and waited a couple months after the game came out before installing and playing it.

I wouldn't say people are ignorant for buying it at release, but many did so because Bioware is known for making excellent games. Many of the bugs that people are upset about only come to light after playing the game for a while, for example, the save corruption which occurs when selling too many items to a vendor takes a while to hit that number, which is funny since the strategy guide tells you to sell Bodhan all your stuff.
Many of the people who are unhappy with the game have already gotten rid of it and many do not come to the forums either, I know at least 10 people who bought it at the same time I did and I'm the only one left who hasn't sold it yet.
Don't get me wrong the game itself it great, when it actually works like it's supposed to, but the support isn't there to make sure that it does, most likely because they have everyone working on the next games to come out and the EULA to let them get away with not fixing it.
Sure they won game of the year, but this is short term, in the long run more and more people are going to give up on the game waiting for fixes. Just because you haven't hit the game breaking bugs it doesn't mean they're not there, and just because your game works fine doesn't mean that they shouldn't be addressing bugs that have been there since day one, some of which are game breaking.

Modifié par 13Dannyboy13, 12 mai 2010 - 10:08 .

[edgarcabrerauk]

Zy-El wrote...

edgarcabrerauk wrote...

Zy-El wrote...
I suspect there's probably more people who CAN play Dragon Age without major bugs (myself included) and my PC is 4-years-old running Windows XP - not a monster gaming machine by any means.
.

If you suspect that MORE people CAN play, that does not mean you are right... unless you've got a scientific research who can support your theory, that is not a valid argument, sorry.

Dragon Age - Video Game of the Year.  The fact that the game has proven profitable for Bioware/EA is proof that the game works for MOST people.  If it failed for the majority of users, people would have stopped buying it long before it became profitable - is that not so?  Simple reasoning.

Or are you conceding that people are so ignorant as to buy a product sight unseen in droves upon droves, only find out later that they've purchased garbage?  For myself, I did some research and waited a couple months after the game came out before installing and playing it.

Ehem, WoW has been profitable for 6 years and following your logic, it does show that works for MOST if not 11 million people... simple reasoning Sherlock... have you ever stumble across the WoW forums and see the mess we've got here in the BW forums?...

I do not conceal that people are ignorant, but it seems that you conceal that since DAO has been claimed the Game of the Year,as if it is enough justification to buy it?. I do like DAO, I believe is a very fine piece of RPG video game, but what I do not like (despite you are not giving the right to the people to disagree) is that the support and professionalism showed by EA/BW is far below the industry standards... 

[edgarcabrerauk]

DeathViper1959 wrote...

After reading the original post made by Stan Woo, i was horrified that they would hide behind the EULA

It is a favour. We are under no obligation to provide post-release patches. I believe the EULA for most, if not all games states something to the effect of the product being released "as-is" and the software having no warranty in and of itself. I seem to remember reading that, so please correct me if I'm wrong. Any warranty included in game purchases relates directly to the physical media on which the game is printed.

You are not entitled to a game that works to your specifications or to your satisfaction, but we still work darned hard to try and make it as painless and bug-free as we can. That is something people can and do thank us for: our commitment to quality.

I can almost here the F-You in there concerning patches.

and they did, indeed, but as Wicked pointed out, we are not going to give up and we will stop when EA/BW starts...

[DeathViper1959]

As for doing research, as i have stated before.



I have then entire Baldurs Gate series, also the entire Icewind Dale series, also the entire NWN series as store bought content, i.e. the recent NWN Diamond series.



all of these games run and play and have brought me many many hours of enjoyment.



so why did i need to wait and see if there was going to be any problems?



i am about as close to a superfan as it gets, save that i have not bought any DLC yet.



I had no reason to believe that Dragon Age would be anything less than superior right out of the box, given the track record of the afore mentioned games in my collection.



as i stated in another post, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.



EA\\Bioware has fooled me this one time, as i cannot play the game without ungodly horrible lag on my brand spanking new Alienware Aurora, the cut sceens for me if i let them run can take an hour or more to get through them.



my hardware drivers according to windows 7 are compleatly up to date, there are no new drivers available.



for me, i cannot play the game as it is, nor can i return the opened software to Best Buy.



so i am screwed with DAO and DAA, with tax tators and all, about 100.00 spent, for which i have no course of action, but to wait and see if they patch the game so that i can play it again.



then i find a Dev post, that basically says f-you, a patch is a priveledge, and the only warrenty is for the plastic media? the physical media itself.



so that the end result is, we got your money now go jump in a lake.



they will not get the chance to fool me again, i will wait and see what happens with up comming games, 6 monthes or more checking the forums to see if they have repeted the as is we got your money so go suck an egg.



someone said that all EA dose is goble up small software companies then leaving them in EA's wake.



its like those at the top positions of companies are scrambling to make as much money as they can before doomsday, maybe 2012 has these people spooked, and all they want to do is make as much as they can, so they can ride out any impending doomsday scenario?



who knows i sure dont.

[Merci357]

DeathViper1959 wrote...
my hardware drivers according to windows 7 are compleatly up to date, there are no new drivers available.

tried to run a dxweb setup? That removed all stuttering and the occassional crashing for me, after 1.03 was introduced.

[Danijou]

If they don't delay this, it releases on my birthday.

THIS BETTER BE A GOOD PRESENT, BIOWARE. I DONT USUALLY PAY FOR MY OWN PRESENTS.

[DeathViper1959]

directx has determined that your version is newer than this setup, directx setup will now close.



i also uninstalled dragon age and awakenings, and only reinstalled DAO.



i have tried an older fallout trick that makes 32 bit system see more than 2gigs of memory following the directions verbatim.



i do not know what else to try, my cpu has multiple cores, and i have not found anywhere to turn them all off except for 1, maybe the setting is in the system bios.















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Verified Hardware Device against Order: VARIABLEXYZ

Verify Correct Processor Frequency



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Optical Drives / Other Storage



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IRQ Configuration



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3 -empty-

4 -empty-

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6 -empty-

7 -empty-

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23 Intel® ICH10 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 3A34

190 Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System



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Final Checks





Installed Devices Drivers



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Microsoft Streaming Service Proxy, 6-21-2006, 6.1.7600.16385

Generic volume shadow copy, 6-21-2006, 6.1.7600.16385

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USB Input Device, 6-21-2006, 6.1.7600.16385

Generic volume shadow copy, 6-21-2006, 6.1.7600.16385

Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio, 5-25-2009, 6.10.0.209

Generic volume shadow copy, 6-21-2006, 6.1.7600.16385

Intel® Core™ i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz, 6-21-2006, 6.1.7600.16385

Generic volume shadow copy, 6-21-2006, 6.1.7600.16385

Generic volume shadow copy, 6-21-2006, 6.1.7600.16385

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3DMark Vantage 1.01



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CPU Score: 17586 Points

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Graphics Test 2 - New Calico: 28 FPS

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CPU Test 2 - Physics: 22 Steps/S

Feature Test 1 - Texture Fill: 942 FPS

Feature Test 2 - Color Fill: 3 FPS

Feature Test 3 - POM: 30 FPS

Feature Test 4 - GPU Cloth: 23 FPS

Feature Test 5 - GPU Particles: 34 FPS

Feature Test 6 - Perlin Noise: 78 FPS



I do not know what good this info dose me, and if turning off all but one core, is a possible solution, then buying a new computer was a waste of time and money?

[DeathViper1959]

As far as computer's go



I started many years ago with the radio shack color computer 2, then to a TRS-80, then a commodor 64, then an xt, 286, 386, 486 sx25, 486 dx266, pentium 90, 266, 450, 1gig, 2gig.



I have no problem editing the windows registry when i have a step by step guide. also editing the windows 95 dos.sys and ms.sys were things you could do as speed up tricks. enabling the cheat codes for DAO, was adding a line in the properties of the Daorigins file. all easy stuff. editing the age of empires III xls files allows you to go from lvl1 to lvl 120 in about 10 seconds.



i aint no spring chicken, but i aint no newb either.



i can build computers in my sleep, and have run everything from dos 3.1 to windows 3.11, server 3.51, NT4, win95 win98, ME, XP, and now windows 7.



back in the old days of dos, i rewrote many a config.sys and autoexec.bat dealing with the then 640k of memory that doom and those early games needed to run. not to mention adding in the lines for the network cards that had to be setup manually because windows98 that took some of the pain out of networking was still 3 years away.



i am not braging, i am just saying that if it was a problem on my end i could have and would have found it already and fixed it myself, if it was a system configuration problem.

computers have gone the way of cars, i can work on most any american any car pre 1975, because my dad was a mechanic, and taught me to do so.



after 1975 the engine compartment filled up with electronics that need specialty knowledge to work with, and for many years now you need a computer to talk to the electrical systems of a car to diagnose it.



so it is with computers today, us veterans know how to work the older stuff like magic, but the new computers with their new software is so complicated no one person can fix most problems now without proper training from a tech school.

[Zy-El]

edgarcabrerauk wrote...

Zy-El wrote...

Dragon Age - Video Game of the Year.  The fact that the game has proven profitable for Bioware/EA is proof that the game works for MOST people.  If it failed for the majority of users, people would have stopped buying it long before it became profitable - is that not so?  Simple reasoning.

Or are you conceding that people are so ignorant as to buy a product sight unseen in droves upon droves, only find out later that they've purchased garbage?  For myself, I did some research and waited a couple months after the game came out before installing and playing it.

Ehem, WoW has been profitable for 6 years and following your logic, it does show that works for MOST if not 11 million people... simple reasoning Sherlock... have you ever stumble across the WoW forums and see the mess we've got here in the BW forums?...

I do not conceal that people are ignorant, but it seems that you conceal that since DAO has been claimed the Game of the Year,as if it is enough justification to buy it?. I do like DAO, I believe is a very fine piece of RPG video game, but what I do not like (despite you are not giving the right to the people to disagree) is that the support and professionalism showed by EA/BW is far below the industry standards... 

I didn't say "conceal", read more carefully - I said "concede".   The point of my statement was to debunk the previous poster who said that MOST people can't play the game.   Dragon Age being Game of the Year implies that more people can play the game than those who cannot.  I don't understand what you're saying about WoW so your point is non-sequitor.

I NEVER said anything about denying anyone the right to complain about bugs.  I believe that Bioware should fix the bugs too.  However, making mention of it in every second post of every thread in every forum is not going to make it happen any faster.

[Zy-El]

DeathViper: my 4-year-old computer running Windows XP is able to play DA and Awakening no problems (although I did turn off the anti-aliasing and the graphics detail to medium). You don't need super-charged hardware to play this game.



I installed Origins and patch 1.02 then installed Awakening; the latter automatically installed patch 1.03 and I was able to play right off the bat - no problems. Start new character, no problem. Play Origins through to Awakening with same character - no problem.

[Raydiva]

*sigh* I would have much rather have a new origins storyline. Say Human Commoner or something. But this might be fun, I'll wait and see what other people say before buying/gettting.

[ijustwananame1]

edgarcabrerauk wrote...

Reposting:

I know many just speak out the knowledge that there are other people who have been waiting for a patch since 6 months ago, if you mind to go to the first posts in the forum, there were no complains, no "whining" or else... EA/BW had got their time to fix the game and it didn't do it, this is especially remarkable in console versions. Patience has its limits and many of those "shouting, whining, moaning" people have run out of it. Sorry, but EA/BW brought this to themselves, if there were a patch (a real patch) every 2 months or one big patch 3 months ago. most of us wouldn't be complaining...

I understand that.

However, once more, this thread is not about patches. It is about DLC.

Please, do not derail it.

DA:O recently won the award someone mentioned above. That means, by the very fact that they won the award, that the majority of users enjoyed their "patch-less" experience. So, please don't derail a thread that we are interested in reading.

Start a patch thread. Or, rather, another patch thread.

You talk about 3 month delays? Well, apologies, but I'm a Mac gamer.

You want to know the game that grabbed the headlines shortly before DA:O came out? --- Rome Total War. Yes... the game that was released on PC 6 years ago. The answer, buy a copy of Windows and run that on my Mac. Done. Cost a fortune.

Specifically on Xbox 2 main bugs delivered as-is:
1) Corrupted saves
2) Dex broken

I'm not talking about if Anora gets married with Morrigan and my character become King and get married with Lelina or to change the colours of the effects because I don't like it pink, red or whatever... on the Xbox those 2 bugs really really affects the game

6 months passed and on the Xbox side there is no fix... why coming here and don't use the Xbox tech forum? because all the posts in the forum are about requesting a patch, and due to the lack of attention from EA/BW, we have to come here to make public such issues.

Post a topic in the forum.

Don't derail other threads.

It just irritates you and probably won't acheive anything.

You have your anwser, that answer is this - A patch is coming, we are working on it. No ETA.

You either accept that or you don't. But the answer isn't going to change.

I know it can be annoying reading "whining, moaning, f***ing, etc" when you have a PC and your game runs with no problem., but don't you think if EA/BW do something about it, you'll be less annoyed?

They are doing something about it.

we can be here having a row while BW/EA sits there smiling at how we keep fighting each other.

Anyone who really believes that BW/EA enjoys antagonizing their fans is on another planet.

Do you REALLY believe that Chris Priestly and the powers at be are getting kicks out the fact the fans are irritated? I'd bet it's a marketing man's worst nightmare.

If BW/EA considers a favour to fix their faulty product (specifically on the Xbox) then what can you expect from them in future releases?... and yes, I would never support an organisation that has not respect and it's arrogant with a faulty product, being video game, cars, etc. 

Two questions:

1. What Bioware products do you own?
2. Regarding the bold section -- I very much doubt that. You are, after all, here complaining on their very forums. You, like everyone else here, are a serious fan. You, in all likelihood, will continue to buy BW.

And yes, I'm fully expecting a full on flame war regarding my comments in point 2. Nevertheless, I believe them to be true.

[Ferocious7]

Ryuukishi wrote...

It is a novel way to get around the issue of integrating Origins vs. Awakening characters and party members into new DLC...

lol yeah they definitely need to bridge them or at least allow all content and powers, etc.. to flow from one to the other..... like all other games that increase level caps  (I know some people got it on disc, but  I got mine as DLC and even still for those with the disc just a few necessary files could link the equipment, powers, and extra levels at the very least)

still, this DLC looks interesting and I will check it out..... not bad to let u play from another perspective however they definitely need an update or future DLC that connects DA:O and DA:A (at least the equipment, powers, and extra levels of it... as already stated in the paragraph above)    =)

[edgarcabrerauk]

ijustwananame1 wrote...

edgarcabrerauk wrote...

Reposting:

I know many just speak out the knowledge that there are other people who have been waiting for a patch since 6 months ago, if you mind to go to the first posts in the forum, there were no complains, no "whining" or else... EA/BW had got their time to fix the game and it didn't do it, this is especially remarkable in console versions. Patience has its limits and many of those "shouting, whining, moaning" people have run out of it. Sorry, but EA/BW brought this to themselves, if there were a patch (a real patch) every 2 months or one big patch 3 months ago. most of us wouldn't be complaining...

I understand that.

However, once more, this thread is not about patches. It is about DLC.

Please, do not derail it.

DA:O recently won the award someone mentioned above. That means, by the very fact that they won the award, that the majority of users enjoyed their "patch-less" experience. So, please don't derail a thread that we are interested in reading.

Start a patch thread. Or, rather, another patch thread.

You talk about 3 month delays? Well, apologies, but I'm a Mac gamer.

You want to know the game that grabbed the headlines shortly before DA:O came out? --- Rome Total War. Yes... the game that was released on PC 6 years ago. The answer, buy a copy of Windows and run that on my Mac. Done. Cost a fortune.

Specifically on Xbox 2 main bugs delivered as-is:
1) Corrupted saves
2) Dex broken

I'm not talking about if Anora gets married with Morrigan and my character become King and get married with Lelina or to change the colours of the effects because I don't like it pink, red or whatever... on the Xbox those 2 bugs really really affects the game

6 months passed and on the Xbox side there is no fix... why coming here and don't use the Xbox tech forum? because all the posts in the forum are about requesting a patch, and due to the lack of attention from EA/BW, we have to come here to make public such issues.

Post a topic in the forum.

Don't derail other threads.

It just irritates you and probably won't acheive anything.

You have your anwser, that answer is this - A patch is coming, we are working on it. No ETA.

You either accept that or you don't. But the answer isn't going to change.

I know it can be annoying reading "whining, moaning, f***ing, etc" when you have a PC and your game runs with no problem., but don't you think if EA/BW do something about it, you'll be less annoyed?

They are doing something about it.

we can be here having a row while BW/EA sits there smiling at how we keep fighting each other.

Anyone who really believes that BW/EA enjoys antagonizing their fans is on another planet.

Do you REALLY believe that Chris Priestly and the powers at be are getting kicks out the fact the fans are irritated? I'd bet it's a marketing man's worst nightmare.

If BW/EA considers a favour to fix their faulty product (specifically on the Xbox) then what can you expect from them in future releases?... and yes, I would never support an organisation that has not respect and it's arrogant with a faulty product, being video game, cars, etc. 

Two questions:

1. What Bioware products do you own?
2. Regarding the bold section -- I very much doubt that. You are, after all, here complaining on their very forums. You, like everyone else here, are a serious fan. You, in all likelihood, will continue to buy BW.

And yes, I'm fully expecting a full on flame war regarding my comments in point 2. Nevertheless, I believe them to be true.

I wish I could engage on a flame war with you, but what really upsets you is the fact that I derail this threat with the patch request, and since you believe your comments are true, I see no real reason to be part of your a non-sense war.

To stop derailing a thread... that is one of the moderator's task.

Sorry but, I'm a mac gamer too and I know what you mean... but at this stage I won't install Windows just to play games, my current Macbook Pro i7 is used for more professional purposes. 

And answering your questions, I did buy BW software, after this experience, I shall not... sorry, if that comment made by Mr. Woo didn't  make you think, then there's no much I can do... 

Modifié par edgarcabrerauk, 13 mai 2010 - 03:04 .

[edgarcabrerauk]

DeathViper1959 wrote...

As far as computer's go

I started many years ago with the radio shack color computer 2, then to a TRS-80, then a commodor 64, then an xt, 286, 386, 486 sx25, 486 dx266, pentium 90, 266, 450, 1gig, 2gig.

I have no problem editing the windows registry when i have a step by step guide. also editing the windows 95 dos.sys and ms.sys were things you could do as speed up tricks. enabling the cheat codes for DAO, was adding a line in the properties of the Daorigins file. all easy stuff. editing the age of empires III xls files allows you to go from lvl1 to lvl 120 in about 10 seconds.

i aint no spring chicken, but i aint no newb either.

i can build computers in my sleep, and have run everything from dos 3.1 to windows 3.11, server 3.51, NT4, win95 win98, ME, XP, and now windows 7.

back in the old days of dos, i rewrote many a config.sys and autoexec.bat dealing with the then 640k of memory that doom and those early games needed to run. not to mention adding in the lines for the network cards that had to be setup manually because windows98 that took some of the pain out of networking was still 3 years away.

i am not braging, i am just saying that if it was a problem on my end i could have and would have found it already and fixed it myself, if it was a system configuration problem.
computers have gone the way of cars, i can work on most any american any car pre 1975, because my dad was a mechanic, and taught me to do so.

after 1975 the engine compartment filled up with electronics that need specialty knowledge to work with, and for many years now you need a computer to talk to the electrical systems of a car to diagnose it.

so it is with computers today, us veterans know how to work the older stuff like magic, but the new computers with their new software is so complicated no one person can fix most problems now without proper training from a tech school.

You mentioned you are running on windows 7?, here's some solutions...  

[Revan1701]

edgarcabrerauk wrote...

Zy-El wrote...

DeathViper1959 wrote...
some of you say that moaning isnt going to solve anything, yet i was always told that the squeeky wheel gets the grease.

Maybe, it gets to be whining when it is every second post on every thread in every forum.
.

And your whining on someone else's whining makes a difference?, perhaps it is the tone?...

if enough people are upset and express it on the forums, then EA/Bioware will see this and figure that there are more people that cannot play this game than those that can play.

if you can play without any lag or loading issues or cut sceens that take an hour or more to painfully go through, then good for you, how about posting your PC system specs unless you have an xbox or whatever.

i think there are more of us who are having issues that are game stopping than those of you claiming you have no trouble.

I suspect there's probably more people who CAN play Dragon Age without major bugs (myself included) and my PC is 4-years-old running Windows XP - not a monster gaming machine by any means.

If you suspect that MORE people CAN play, that does not mean you are
right... unless you've got a scientific research that can support your
theory, that is not a valid argument, sorry..

I suspect your pc is an outdated Pentium 4 which has a low end video card which most likely doesn't meet the games minimum system requirements, and possibly and a 5k hard drive so your loading time are possibly 10mins per map anyway so therefor you would not notice any difference because that's how your pos pc runs normally, so your post is not valid. sorry

Modifié par Revan1701, 13 mai 2010 - 02:57 .

[edgarcabrerauk]

Revan1701 wrote...

edgarcabrerauk wrote...

Zy-El wrote...

DeathViper1959 wrote...
some of you say that moaning isnt going to solve anything, yet i was always told that the squeeky wheel gets the grease.

Maybe, it gets to be whining when it is every second post on every thread in every forum.
.

And your whining on someone else's whining makes a difference?, perhaps it is the tone?...

if enough people are upset and express it on the forums, then EA/Bioware will see this and figure that there are more people that cannot play this game than those that can play.

if you can play without any lag or loading issues or cut sceens that take an hour or more to painfully go through, then good for you, how about posting your PC system specs unless you have an xbox or whatever.

i think there are more of us who are having issues that are game stopping than those of you claiming you have no trouble.

I suspect there's probably more people who CAN play Dragon Age without major bugs (myself included) and my PC is 4-years-old running Windows XP - not a monster gaming machine by any means.

If you suspect that MORE people CAN play, that does not mean you are
right... unless you've got a scientific research that can support your
theory, that is not a valid argument, sorry..

I suspect your pc is an outdated Pentium 4 which has a low end video card which most likely doesn't meet the games minimum system requirements, and possibly and a 5k hard drive so your loading time are possibly 10mins per map anyway so therefor you would not notice any difference because that's how your pos pc runs normally, so your post is not valid. sorry

Looking at my gaming system, it is a black box made by a big software company... oh yes, it is an Xbox...

[Ravenmyste]

i shall be skipping this one as well,