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[Costin_Razvan]

There are a few side quests related to Redcliffe. Make sure you complete the whole Collective of Mages quest line, and make sure to complete the recruitment and notices of death for the the mercenary company.

Beyond those I mention, you can complete any other quests with no issue.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 05 mai 2010 - 04:58 .

[AnniLau]

Just don't go back to Redcliffe after the Landsmeet unless you're ready for the final battle.

[caradoc2000]

Loghain and Wynne get quite talkative in RtO.

[CalJones]

Yes, the DLCs will work fine with him. He has one comment at Warden's Keep when you finish it (same as the other characters) and obviously the various banters.

Stay out of Redcliffe and you're fine (oh and as well as the mage collective, you'll also need to have finished the Dead Drops quest from the barkeep in the Gnawed Noble).

[sylvanaerie]

Well if you play on the PC there is the respec mod to shift around his build some but yes any NPC S&S is going to be weaker than an PC in that position (due to tomes/fade stats etc) If you play on Xbox or PS3 you are in a worse position because Bioware gave Loghain some seriously WTF stats on top of that.

[sylvanaerie]

Hanz54321 wrote...

Nods.

Yeah - I thought about the respec bug (assuming one does not have patch 1.03 - whichI do not anymore because it blows).

However, THIS time around I'm already lvl 24. By the time his re-spec option becomes available I'll be on top of Fort Drakon.

But I appreciate the input for sure.

I did reload the conversation with Alistair after the Landsmeet several times just to see if I could get any kind of positive response. I toughen the guy up and he still whines about being married to Anora and his new Father-in-law living.

This kind of suprised me because . . . EVERY party member has a dark past and they redeem themselves. I find it only logical that Loghain should be given the option to redeem himself too. I won't go into specifics, but when you break it down Loghain didn't do anything world leaders today don't do to protect their countries (assasinations, sacrificing troops then using propoganda to spin it, etc).

But I guess even "hardened" Alistair is still . . . Alistair.

Loghain is Alistair's achilles heel. Its his "Crisis point" if you spare Loghain.  The man has not only harrassed you and your companions for the past (Year?) and attempted on more than one occasion to have you and your supporters killed and he destroyed the only real home Alistair ever really had (In the GWs).  To make this man one of your Order and expect Alistair to trust/accept this decision is too much for him.  You aren't just offering him mercy you are expecting Alistair to accept this man as a fellow gray warden (a brother as it were).  I can completely understand Alistair's outrage at that point. 

I always kill Loghain.  From an RP standpoint my PC doesn't trust him and frankly as the PC keeps one upping the man he is a lousy general/strategist as well in her opinion so he would add nothing to the fight except one more body (and since he is beaten in the duel he isn't even impressive that way either).  The only thing I don't like about killing him is doing it in the Landsmeet in front of his daughter.  To me that is excessively brutal. Usually I have Alistair duel him so I don't have to make that choice.

[Orchomene]

I never killed Loghain since I can't support Alistair.

Alistair is a little boy that cries when you don't give him his toys. More than that, the origins of the pc are often dramatic, yet the only thing he can think of is the death of Duncan.

I stopped discussing with him after having heard 5 times in a row his whining.

But I can understand that some women love this kind of guys since he is childish and give some maternal feelings.

[AnniLau]

Orchomene wrote...

But I can understand that some women love this kind of guys since he is childish and give some maternal feelings.

Right, that's totally  the appeal.

Modifié par AnniLau, 06 mai 2010 - 04:13 .

[errant_knight]

AnniLau wrote...

Orchomene wrote...

But I can understand that some women love this kind of guys since he is childish and give some maternal feelings.

Right, that's totally the appeal.

*Snort* And here I thought it was because he was good, brave, romantic, funny, and very focused during 'alone time.' Silly me. It's about BABIES! Heh.

[Nu-Nu]

Orchomene wrote...

I never killed Loghain since I can't support Alistair.
Alistair is a little boy that cries when you don't give him his toys. More than that, the origins of the pc are often dramatic, yet the only thing he can think of is the death of Duncan.
I stopped discussing with him after having heard 5 times in a row his whining.
But I can understand that some women love this kind of guys since he is childish and give some maternal feelings.

Ermm...he's childish because he's upset a little at the beginning?  And when you flirt and romance him, he doesn't act like a child.  He's has a very sweet, romantic, funny side.  Maybe because you haven't played as a female that you haven't seen this side of him. 

People that woman get maternal over are people they're not interested in romancing and if you try, you'll want to vomit, and this is not the case with Alistair, he is very romancable.

You're not a woman so don't think you know what goes through our brain  

[Raiil]

Orchomene wrote...

I never killed Loghain since I can't support Alistair.
Alistair is a little boy that cries when you don't give him his toys. More than that, the origins of the pc are often dramatic, yet the only thing he can think of is the death of Duncan.
I stopped discussing with him after having heard 5 times in a row his whining.
But I can understand that some women love this kind of guys since he is childish and give some maternal feelings.

LOL, not quite.

In terms of the origins, everything happens before you meet him. But Duncan is his saviour, literally, and the only person who, until the point your PC meets him, gives a damn about him. (Whether your PC cares about him afterwards is up to you.) And then he goes and dies for Loghain's sins. Should the Cousland not be able to talk about losing their parental figures, since it's whining? 


As for maternal feelings.... this may come as a shock, but some of us wimmin-folk have no maternal feelings at all. I'm one of them. Believe me, the feelings I have towards the character are not motherly in nature. 

[Lady Jess]

Orchomene wrote...

I never killed Loghain since I can't support Alistair.
Alistair is a little boy that cries when you don't give him his toys. More than that, the origins of the pc are often dramatic, yet the only thing he can think of is the death of Duncan.
I stopped discussing with him after having heard 5 times in a row his whining.
But I can understand that some women love this kind of guys since he is childish and give some maternal feelings.

So, a man that experiences emotion, and is unafraid to show it is...childish. A man that watches his father figure, and the men he's soldiered with for the last 6 months die, and is grieving that is childish. You do realize, this happens to soldiers in real life returning from War? I'm due to get my husband back here in a couple months, he's watched friends die, came within two lousy minutes of being killed himself. It's going to take some of his soldiers months, maybe years to get  past what they've seen over there. So us wives and girlfriends only stay with them because we're maternal? That is...wow.

[Carmen_Willow]

errant_knight wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

Orchomene wrote...

But I can understand that some women love this kind of guys since he is childish and give some maternal feelings.

Right, that's totally the appeal.

*Snort* And here I thought it was because he was good, brave, romantic, funny, and very focused during 'alone time.' Silly me. It's about BABIES! Heh.

It couldn't possibly be that he's pretty much had your back since day one, been as up front with you as possible, aware of his own faults and admits to them (Alistair knows himself better than many men after 50 years), is utterly devoted to you even if he has to marry someone else for the good of the nation and doesn't lie to you about why he's breaking up with you. It couldn't be that he is kind to those he cares about but can kill with the best of them those who are enemies......couldn't be any of that stuff.  Oh, and he's great in the tent and avid to learn even more skills in that regard. Plus, he's not afraid to kiss you in public.  It couldn't possibly be that........

[sylvanaerie]

Orchomene wrote...

I never killed Loghain since I can't support Alistair.
Alistair is a little boy that cries when you don't give him his toys. More than that, the origins of the pc are often dramatic, yet the only thing he can think of is the death of Duncan.
I stopped discussing with him after having heard 5 times in a row his whining.
But I can understand that some women love this kind of guys since he is childish and give some maternal feelings.

Are you female?  Unless you are please don't make such idiotic insulting comments about the female fan base who enjoy Alistair's character.  And if you ARE you have some serious issues I can't begin to deal with on the boards here.

I gave my reasons for not sparing Loghain.  They are: 1) don't trust him 2)I think hes an incompetent general/strategist and 3) He gets easily beaten by Alistair so hes not that great a fighter either.

Those are all RP reasons.  My metagaming/player reasons are I can't stand the guy with his mule kicked zombie looks and voice like fingernails dragging on a chalkboard.  And BTW I think he whines a helluva lot himself at the landsmeet with his "its not my FAULT" and "you TRAITORS" crap.

Personally considering Alistair mops the floor with the idiot, I think Alistair is easily the better man.

Perhaps you are simply jealous.  In which case I suggest you take notes instead of whining about him.  David Gaider obviously gets (or got as I don't know if he is married or gay or whatever) a lot more action than you do since he has his finger on the pulse of what a LOT of women want in a man.
Not every woman, some actually like Loghain in a sexy way.   just not this one.  And they are just as entitled to that opinion as well.

[Costin_Razvan]

I snicker at how easily it is to incite a flame war with the female fanbase of Alistair. Quite really.



Seriously does any of you women even consider that he is NOT a real person, just a VIDEO GAME character. Cause I could swear by the way some talk about him, and especially write about him in FF, they have lost sense with reality.

[AnniLau]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I snicker at how easily it is to incite a flame war with the female fanbase of Alistair. Quite really.

No one has flamed anyone else.

Seriously does any of you women even consider that he is NOT a real person, just a VIDEO GAME character. Cause I could swear by the way some talk about him, and especially write about him in FF, they have lost sense with reality

Seriously, are you familiar with the concept of 'fantasy'?

[Costin_Razvan]

To like a fantasy world means also realizing that these are not real people, and acting accordingly. Something which I find severely lacking in Alistair fans.

[AnniLau]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

To like a fantasy world means also realizing that these are not real people, and acting accordingly. Something which I find severely lacking in Alistair fans.

We're on a forum, talking to other fans who, even if they aren't on Team Alistair, also have their own favorites...it's an appropriate place to be a little giddy about it.

Or do we have to qualify every post with "I know he's not real, but..." in order to clarify things for you?

[sylvanaerie]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

To like a fantasy world means also realizing that these are not real people, and acting accordingly. Something which I find severely lacking in Alistair fans.

There are some pretty rabid fans on all sides.  You can't lump that all on Alistair fans.  That's human nature.

[SheilaD67]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

To like a fantasy world means also realizing that these are not real people...

True, and I don't get the feeling reading the posts that anyone here actually believes that any of the DA characters are real.  However, it is telling that the writing of the dialogue, acting, etc., can elicite such emotion from the fans.  I've been RPing - both PnP and computer games - since the early 80's.  I love the fantasy, the taking a step back from RL and just enjoying the playtime.  And, I gotta say, Alistair elicites some emotions - the actor is wonderful, the writing terrific, the technical aspects all add to making the character seem real.  I also get those feelings when playing through romancing Zevron.  I also enjoy soundly thumping Loghain at the Landsmeet (my dalish rogue archer really kicked his butt!).  When RPing, being able to place yourself in the game improves the experience.  Otherwise, wouldn't it just be a waste of time playing an RP game?  Why not just find some zombie survival game instead?

So, to flame those who are just expressing how much they enjoy a certain character, and what they like about that character, really doesn't belong on an RPing forum.

And, from what I've read, these folk are acting accordingly - again, it is RP = Role Playing.