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[Tirigon]

Xandurpein wrote...


No victory ever lasts, that's what I'm saying. The mongol's did write history books, and Genghis Khan was awesome in them. But propaganda is temporary, history will overtake it.

That is probably true (though Warhammer40K fans might disagreeB)) but, to come back to what this discussion started, my Bloodmage PC doesn´t really care how the people in 200 years remember her.

[phaonica]

Tirigon wrote...

Oh how I love it to see people whose reason fails (because they´re wrong) coming up with personal insults instead.

I´m actually a very idealist person. I´m just saying that what is good and bad is always decided by the winner, and that is a historical fact.
You may or may not like it - I don´t like it either - but unfortunately that doesn´t make it wrong.

I am open to that I could be wrong. It would also be pointless for me to debate a subject if I am myself immutable.

If your argument is that "good and bad don't matter in the scheme of things". Ok, I agree. They don't matter in the big scheme of things. Plants and animals and the universe keep on going just fine without good and bad.
 
If your argument is "whoever is the strongest gets to decide what is good and bad," I could agree with you there too. In most contexts, I don't like it, but it doesn't make it false. But just because I don't think it's untrue in most contexts, I don't think it's right either. I am no authority on right and wrong, obviously, it's just an opinion. I am of the opinion that killing everyone around you to get your way is wrong. That doesn't mean it isn't effective.

[Tirigon]

phaonica wrote...
 
If your argument is "whoever is the strongest gets to decide what is good and bad," I could agree with you there too.
In most contexts, I don't like it, but it doesn't make it false.
But just because I don't think it's untrue in most contexts, I don't think it's right either.
I am no authority on right and wrong, obviously, it's just an opinion.
I am of the opinion that killing everyone around you to get your way is wrong. That doesn't mean it isn't effective.

And that is exactly what I was trying to say.

You see, the way I look at it is that Right and Wrong SHOULD matter. But looking at history - in Real Life as well as in most Fantasy stories - this seems not to be the case.