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[Costin_Razvan]

Pretty that however you like. It still is not acting sane.

Alistair fangirls are like those women who wait for hours to get a glimpse of their favorite actor on the red carpet. That is not sane, as is this.

One thing is to appreciate a video game character, another is to be obsessed. It goes the same for film characters.

P.S. I am not saying other fangirls/boys are better, but there is a difference between a fan and a fanboy/girl.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 06 mai 2010 - 05:23 .

[Orchomene]

I never really understood the concept of "fans", whatever the object, being a real person, a deity or a set of polygons.

More on the topic, Alistair is not childish because he can express his feelings.
He is childish because he can't undertake any responsability.
Somehow, if carefully taught to, he may be "hardened", that is he can become an adult. Like any child.

After that, any fan can object, of course. But I don't feel necessary for me to pay attention at subjective point of views.

On the other hand, Loghain is an adult that undertake the responsabilities, thus doing errors.
Only the one that do nothing don't do errors.

It may be hard for some of you to admit it, may you can have maternal fellings and sexual attraction. It's just a very common incestuous feeling.

Modifié par Orchomene, 06 mai 2010 - 05:13 .

[Sarah1281]

He is childish because he can't undertake any responsability.

A lot of it is game mechanics, but yeah, his 'Oh, I don't know where we should go first out of the four places we're supposed to go. New recruit, you're in charge' is a little off-putting. I mean, he clearly wants to go find Eamon and yet he can't just say 'As senior Warden, I say we go find out what's going on in Redcliffe before we start on a mad quest to find the dwarves/elves/mages.'

[AnniLau]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Pretty that however you like. It still is not acting sane.

Alistair fangirls are like those women who wait for hours to get a glimpse of their favorite actor on the red carpet. That is not sane, as is this.

One thing is to appreciate a video game character, another is to be obsessed. It goes the same for film characters.

P.S. I am not saying other fangirls/boys are better, but there is a difference between a fan and a fanboy/girl.

Given some of the things I've seen you do on this forum, I really have no desire to live up - or is it down? - to your standards of behavior.

[Costin_Razvan]

Having no appropriate argument, you return to throwing dirt. Not that I expected any better.

[CalJones]

Sheesh, way to derail a thread! Enough of the Loghain vs Alistair crap, there's dozens of threads on that subject already.



(Oh and PS, there are women who don't care for Alistair, so don't generalise, mmkay?)

[Costin_Razvan]

(Oh and PS, there are women who don't care for Alistair, so don't generalise, mmkay?)

Hence why those that do are placed in the fangirl category.

[Merilsell]

I dunno reading your post gives me the sudden urge to







I wonder why is that...

[Tirigon]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

To like a fantasy world means also realizing that these are not real people, and acting accordingly. Something which I find severely lacking in Alistair fans.

You and everyone who justifies Loghain or criticizes Alistair lacks this realization, too.

Or do you honestly complain to a bunch of pixels that he is childish, while arguing it´s not bad that another bunch of pixels sells some pixels as slaves?

[Tirigon]

Sarah1281 wrote...

He is childish because he can't undertake any responsability.

A lot of it is game mechanics, but yeah, his 'Oh, I don't know where we should go first out of the four places we're supposed to go. New recruit, you're in charge' is a little off-putting. I mean, he clearly wants to go find Eamon and yet he can't just say 'As senior Warden, I say we go find out what's going on in Redcliffe before we start on a mad quest to find the dwarves/elves/mages.'

If he did, people would - rightfully - complain that the game is too linear.

Besides of that, other Companions are not at all more able to decide on their own - with exception of the occasions when they try to kill you, what is honestly the dumbest thing they can do and puts their estimated IQ somewhere below a common genlock, imo.

That is, it would if they were real. As they´re not it simply means the writers had a fail idea.

[Costin_Razvan]

So your comparing having a discussion about morality to the adoration Alistair receives? Smooth Tirigon, real smooth.



I do not care at all that people kill Loghain, in fact I could hardly give a copper coin about that. However what I do care about is how people justify that decision here on this forum. Different thing.

[Sarah1281]

Tirigon wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

He is childish because he can't undertake any responsability.

A lot of it is game mechanics, but yeah, his 'Oh, I don't know where we should go first out of the four places we're supposed to go. New recruit, you're in charge' is a little off-putting. I mean, he clearly wants to go find Eamon and yet he can't just say 'As senior Warden, I say we go find out what's going on in Redcliffe before we start on a mad quest to find the dwarves/elves/mages.'

If he did, people would - rightfully - complain that the game is too linear.

Besides of that, other Companions are not at all more able to decide on their own - with exception of the occasions when they try to kill you, what is honestly the dumbest thing they can do and puts their estimated IQ somewhere below a common genlock, imo.

That is, it would if they were real. As they´re not it simply means the writers had a fail idea.

I do know that it's mostly game mechanics but they dont' simply tell you that; they make an inability to lead even when he has a plan part of his personality and one of the reasons he doesn't want to be King. It's just a little extreme.

[Tirigon]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

So your comparing having a discussion about morality to the adoration Alistair receives? Smooth Tirigon, real smooth.

I do not care at all that people kill Loghain, in fact I could hardly give a copper coin about that. However what I do care about is how people justify that decision here on this forum. Different thing.

People who kill or spare Loghain base their decision on his actions and character.

People who like Alistair base that on his actions and characters, as well as those who hate him.

Entirely the same thing imo.

[Costin_Razvan]

Liking the characters? Sure. Absolutely being obsessed of them, not so much.

[sylvanaerie]

Who are you to declare someone insane or obsessed? Are you a psychiatrist treating any of the posters here? And if you are, you are breaking client/doctor confidentiality.

[AnniLau]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Having no appropriate argument, you return to throwing dirt. Not that I expected any better.

So you making sweeping generalizations regarding the mental health of Alistair fans based on the way they act in these forums is fine, but me stating that I don't find much merit in your stated standards of behavior based on the way you act is 'throwing dirt'? Interesting. Or something.

Modifié par AnniLau, 06 mai 2010 - 07:56 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Oh, but by all means consider me whatever you like, let me even save you some trouble by telling simply that I am a jackass. Doesn't make my argument weaker however. 

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 06 mai 2010 - 07:59 .

[Tirigon]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Liking the characters? Sure. Absolutely being obsessed of them, not so much.

I don´t think you´re obsessed if you get emotionally involved.

To me, that only proves that DAO is a good RPG.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Tirigon wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Liking the characters? Sure. Absolutely being obsessed of them, not so much.

I don´t think you´re obsessed if you get emotionally involved.

To me, that only proves that DAO is a good RPG.

I agree.

[Costin_Razvan]

I don´t think you´re obsessed if you get emotionally involved.

To me, that only proves that DAO is a good RPG.

If by emotionally involved, you mean drolling at half naked pictures of Alistair, then by all means.

Hmm...that could be qualified as watching porn however...I think I am just going to back away now.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 06 mai 2010 - 08:05 .

[AnniLau]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Oh, but by all means consider me whatever you like. Doesn't make my argument weaker however.

Stomping your metaphorical feet and insisting that your opinion is absolute truth is not an argument. More like a tantrum, really.

Liking a fictional character enough to be moved emotionally by it is not 'insane' or 'obsessive,' it merely means that the writer did his or her job well. No one I've seen posting here seems to think that Alistair (or Zevran, or Morrigan, or whoever) is real. They're ideals, fantasies, and there's a good chance we wouldn't even like them much if we actually did have to deal with them in real life.

Wanting to meet an actor or other celebrity and being willing to inconvenience yourself to do so is not insane or obsessive either...it's just seeking a connection, however small, with someone you admire. Now, if you secretly believe that person is your soulmate and start destroying the rest of your life to try to get close to them, that is another story.

[Costin_Razvan]

Now, if you secretly believe that person is your soulmate and start destroying the rest of your life to try to get close to them, that is another story.

You really don't want to know how many people think like that.

[LadyDamodred]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I don´t think you´re obsessed if you get emotionally involved.

To me, that only proves that DAO is a good RPG.

If by emotionally involved, you mean drolling at half naked pictures of Alistair, then by all means.

Hmm...that could be qualified as watching porn however...I think I am just going to back away now.

I will point out that it is all in good fun.  As for drooling at half naked pictures of Alistair....  Images make people feel things, much like daily calendars with pictures of cute things, or buying artwork b/c it evokes a reaction.  Fangirls, and I will unabashedly declare myself one, and fangirling/boying is not restricted to Alistair, like seeing images that show their story with their characters.  None of us is sitting here going 'I want to do him right now' in any sort of real sense.

The point of it is to sit and have fun and talk with others who enjoy the same things.  Are you saying you never get stupidly excited over any sort of fiction?  You know it's not real, but that doesn't stop you from falling in love with it.  If I read a book and it makes me cry, is there something wrong with me?  Is sobbing at the end of LotR when I watch Frodo go into the West an innapropriate reaction?  DA has ridiculously awesome writing and voice acting, and the focus of that writing is the characters, so it only makes sense people become attached.

Well, I've said my piece.  That's my take on it.  I think you are reading way too much into harmless fun.