I've been producing a series of gameplay videos with commentary for Mass Effect 2 (link in my sig). One of the ten videos has been flagged as a copyright violation of visual media owned by IMG Media UK, and removed.
I have filed a counter-notification disputing the takedown, but I am more interested in explicitly securing the rights to produce gameplay videos free of charge for YouTube users.
I know this probably isn't the best place to ask, but is there anyone at Bioware or EA that can point me in the right direction so I can secure the rights to produce these fair use videos and not be worried about third parties claiming ownership over the gameplay videos? I have no idea what rights IMG Media UK has in Mass Effect 2, but I couldn't find any copyrights of theirs in the game. If I can get an okay from Electronic Arts, I think that would trump any nuisance copyright claims.
Gameplay Videos, YouTube and Copyright
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Posté 05 mai 2010 - 09:52
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f*** youtube and all those companies who want vids removed. Just reupload, problem solved.
your videos seem perfectly fine, those companies have a stick up their asses
your videos seem perfectly fine, those companies have a stick up their asses
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Posté 05 mai 2010 - 09:55
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I do find this odd as there are many people on youtube who perform similar services and they never have received any removal or TOS violations in any form.
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Posté 05 mai 2010 - 09:55
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Hmm...that's strange. I have 47 videos of Mass Effect on my youtube account and I have never run across this. Though I live in the Hawaii (US) and your issue says "IMG Media UK"...
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Posté 09 mai 2010 - 02:51
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My videos got flagged, too.
2 of them are of purgatory, and the third is of horizon.
Now, I've searched high and low to figure out why this is, but haven't been able to. As far as I can tell, IMG Media UK deals with sports footage ... so I'm disputing the copyright claims on the basis of youtube's algorithm returning a false positive.
2 of them are of purgatory, and the third is of horizon.
Now, I've searched high and low to figure out why this is, but haven't been able to. As far as I can tell, IMG Media UK deals with sports footage ... so I'm disputing the copyright claims on the basis of youtube's algorithm returning a false positive.
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Posté 09 mai 2010 - 03:45
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I have seen a thread where the gameplay designer encouraged people to upload clips to youtube and send her a link if they think their impressive.
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Posté 09 mai 2010 - 04:27
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I also have a ME video, but it was not flagged. I also used a song from the offspring (link in my sig if you are curious).
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Posté 09 mai 2010 - 08:09
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All I did was record my gameplay with my microphone on so I could comment as I was playing. I'm pretty sure it's a nuisance takedown request.
Google has forwarded my counter-notification to IMG Media UK, so they now have 10 days to sue me, or the video goes back.
Also, I have submitted a formal request via the EA web site to use ME, ME2 and other EA games to produce gameplay videos. It's pretty simple, they have a form you fill out, they send it back to you signed if your request is approved, then you sign it and mail it back to EA. Hopefully the next time someone tries to have me removed from YouTube, I'll be able to use this permission form to get them to STFU.
The ridiculous thing is that there are literally hundreds of Mass Effect 2 gameplay videos on YouTube. What happens is Google has this automated media detection system that creates a digital signature, and any time a signature matches a rights holder's signature, the owner of the original can issue a takedown notice without even looking at the video. It's all automated. Since YouTube has so many videos, there's no way they can manually review them all. No automated process is going to be perfect, so some people end up getting screwed.
Google has forwarded my counter-notification to IMG Media UK, so they now have 10 days to sue me, or the video goes back.
Also, I have submitted a formal request via the EA web site to use ME, ME2 and other EA games to produce gameplay videos. It's pretty simple, they have a form you fill out, they send it back to you signed if your request is approved, then you sign it and mail it back to EA. Hopefully the next time someone tries to have me removed from YouTube, I'll be able to use this permission form to get them to STFU.
The ridiculous thing is that there are literally hundreds of Mass Effect 2 gameplay videos on YouTube. What happens is Google has this automated media detection system that creates a digital signature, and any time a signature matches a rights holder's signature, the owner of the original can issue a takedown notice without even looking at the video. It's all automated. Since YouTube has so many videos, there's no way they can manually review them all. No automated process is going to be perfect, so some people end up getting screwed.
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Posté 09 mai 2010 - 10:36
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Well, I've successfully disputed copyright claims before, on the grounds of a false positive.
However, it takes about a month before it is resolved ... which is why I wouldn't hold my breath and wait.
However, it takes about a month before it is resolved ... which is why I wouldn't hold my breath and wait.
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Posté 11 mai 2010 - 08:16
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Well, I have my answer from the EA Permission Requests Team: Permission Denied.
This doesn't necessarily mean I have to stop making videos, I just have to make sure that any gameplay videos I do make fall under Fair Use. That means I need to do some more research to make sure I'm not violating EA's copyrights.
I must admit, I'm pretty disappointed. There are thousands of gameplay videos on YouTube that use EA games, and I'm willing to bet that hardly anyone who made those bothered to ask permission from EA. I go to the trouble to ask if I can make videos that should be considered fair use anyway, but nope.
Oh well, more work for me.
This doesn't necessarily mean I have to stop making videos, I just have to make sure that any gameplay videos I do make fall under Fair Use. That means I need to do some more research to make sure I'm not violating EA's copyrights.
I must admit, I'm pretty disappointed. There are thousands of gameplay videos on YouTube that use EA games, and I'm willing to bet that hardly anyone who made those bothered to ask permission from EA. I go to the trouble to ask if I can make videos that should be considered fair use anyway, but nope.
Oh well, more work for me.
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Posté 11 mai 2010 - 09:21
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I'm confused. As AntiCri5 said, Bioware employees have started threads encouraging the fans to make gameplay videos. And as you point out, there's thousands of videos out there.
If it's not a false positive, I'm wondering what made your video different than all the others. If any Bioware types could clarify this, it would help immeasurably.
If it's not a false positive, I'm wondering what made your video different than all the others. If any Bioware types could clarify this, it would help immeasurably.
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Posté 12 mai 2010 - 03:14
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It would be nice if EA had some sort of blanket policy regarding fan-produced gameplay videos. Bungie has something like this for the Halo series.
IMG Media UK still has 7 more days to sue me, so cross your fingers.
IMG Media UK still has 7 more days to sue me, so cross your fingers.
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Posté 12 mai 2010 - 03:37
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Well you asked and they naturally denied ... its standard but its unlikely they would bother with your videos as there are plenty of Video guides on YouTube of EA games ... they simply are not going to give you permission since that would open the floodgates sort to speech.
Now sometimes they do make the violation claim but that is rare and usually when the videos are uploaded before game official release date.
Also I do find odd its a claim by IMG Media UK as EA does that on their own and not by 3rd party members ...its not as if they can claim copyright over a EA Game.
Now sometimes they do make the violation claim but that is rare and usually when the videos are uploaded before game official release date.
Also I do find odd its a claim by IMG Media UK as EA does that on their own and not by 3rd party members ...its not as if they can claim copyright over a EA Game.
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 10:08
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Hmm ... just a random update here.
Darksydephil just had his main youtube account suspended, due to copyright infringements.
As far as I can tell, however ... the culprits are: 2 grand theft auto 4 videos, and 1 god of war 3 video. All of which seem to be false positives.
Darksydephil just had his main youtube account suspended, due to copyright infringements.
As far as I can tell, however ... the culprits are: 2 grand theft auto 4 videos, and 1 god of war 3 video. All of which seem to be false positives.
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 10:16
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I have some 30 or so ME2 youtube videos as well... received an email similar to some mentioned in here from IMG... but my video was left up... got the email like a month ago.. scrapped it tho cus I didn't care or really pay attention.
No idea what about my Me2 video was a problem and why the other 30 or so were considered non problematic.. they're all just gameplay clips.
No idea what about my Me2 video was a problem and why the other 30 or so were considered non problematic.. they're all just gameplay clips.
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 10:21
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The problem is, youtube's automated system is at once not stringent enough to catch a bunch of TV episodes and such, while also not smart enough and falsely accusing innocent videos of infringements.
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 10:28
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well Mass Effect 1 is totally okay since it's from Microsoft Gamestudios..
if EA had a problem with Youtube showing it's games... why would they allow for their Promo trailers of their products be viewed on there too?
if EA had a problem with Youtube showing it's games... why would they allow for their Promo trailers of their products be viewed on there too?
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 10:31
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You're not reading the thread. EA isn't complaining about youtube videos, IMG Media UK is.
Mass Effect 2 =/= sports footage.
Mass Effect 2 =/= sports footage.
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 11:25
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Ooooh. I thought you meant IMG as in BBCode img tag.Tlazolteotl wrote...
You're not reading the thread. EA isn't complaining about youtube videos, IMG Media UK is.
Mass Effect 2 =/= sports footage.
awesome. no beef with EA then.
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 12:58
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Also I do find odd its a claim by IMG Media UK as EA does that on their own and not by 3rd party members ...its not as if they can claim copyright over a EA Game.
It appears as if IMG Media UK is working on behalf of EA. Check here.
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 12:59
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FuturePasTimeCE wrote...
well Mass Effect 1 is totally okay since it's from Microsoft Gamestudios..
if EA had a problem with Youtube showing it's games... why would they allow for their Promo trailers of their products be viewed on there too?
Simple. BioEA put them there.
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 01:00
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AntiChri5 wrote...
I have seen a thread where the gameplay designer encouraged people to upload clips to youtube and send her a link if they think their impressive.
Where?
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 01:43
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yoda23 wrote...
AntiChri5 wrote...
I have seen a thread where the gameplay designer encouraged people to upload clips to youtube and send her a link if they think their impressive.
Where?
Sticky thread over on the builds forum.
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 01:49
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http://social.biowar...8/index/1188605Tlazolteotl wrote...
yoda23 wrote...
AntiChri5 wrote...
I have seen a thread where the gameplay designer encouraged people to upload clips to youtube and send her a link if they think their impressive.
Where?
Sticky thread over on the builds forum.
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 03:48
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Thanks! But I am not sure the post actually condones placing Copyright content on YouTube. At least the post doesn't explicitly state that it is ok. I am not sure what the Copyright policy of BioEA is but it would be interesting if there is a limit to the amount of content that is allowed on YouTube. I wonder if they limit the duration of the videos or total amount of video time in a combined post, i.e. Sample Video Episodes I, II, III, etc... that make a much longer video when put together...
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