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[Kangasniemi]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Until I touched the first Mass Effect, the only Bioware game I ever played was Neverwinter Nights 2. When I tried out ME1, I immediately noticed resemblances. I think you'll notice the same if you try out DA:O. If you liked Mass Effect, I think you'll like Dragon Age even if it's switched up.

Neverwinter Nights 2 IS NOT A BIOWARE GAME!!!!!

It's made by Obsidian. It has nothing to do with BioWare

And for the OP, in my opinnion Fallout 3 is better than Dragon Age.

Dragon Age is a good game but the world is just bland, boring and generic elf-dwarf-human-orc fantasy world. And becaus the world is so generic, I had a hard time trying to care about the fate of the world. Plus there are some game design choises I dislike very much: the combat system has some really good things in it (the magick system is awesome) but it forces you to play with a really specific type of group. And your group members will like or dislike EVERYTHING you do in the game, and I do mean EVERYTHING.

Fallout 3 is awesome game, but get it for PC. You need mods to really enjoy Fallout 3. The plot of FO3 is quite nonexistent as it is with every Bethesda games. But what it lacks in plot it makes up with the ammount of things you can do. Want to play a walking tank? Go ahead. A ninja/sniper/agent? Can do. A martial arts specialist? Sure, but with some limitations. The world is a really "special" and unique. It is not just some generic fantasy world. And the combat mechanics work after some minor modding. And watching a super mutant head explode in to peaces never gets old.
In FO3 you can play a character you want, and with mods you can make the game sooooo much better than it is without them. And most of the DLCs are good.

As for Borderlands, well that really isn't a RPG. No matter what the box says. It's a dungeon crawler just like both Diablos and Torchlight. Don't get me wrong, Borderlands is an exelent game. It's fun, the FPS works and hunting for guns is addictive as hell, but it is not an RPG.

So to sum it up:

DA:O: generic world, decent plot (if you like elves and dwarves), decent game mechanics

FO3: NEEDS MODS, great world, bad plot, tons of things to do when you want, game mechanics good

Borderlands: not an RPG but addictive and fun

[Brako Shepard]

There nothing alike in terms of gameplay, but how you create your character and have a team with the is where any similarities end between the two.

[Zenon]

I haven't played FO3, but I really like DA:O. The combat is much different and actually less action oriented, but rather tactical small squad fighting. In combat you don't control every move directly, but rather tell the group-members what to do, who to attack, etc. I liked the story a lot, which provides some interesting and sometimes quite surprising twists and IMHO is more adult oriented than ME2.

Gameplay and complexity, especially in combat situations, compares more to Neverwinter Nights (1 or 2). Also note, that the Magic in DA:O blows the Biotics away in terms of available options, combining spell effects and variability. A fan of classic pen&paper RPGs may feel also in DA:O the skills and spells have been too much geared towards a computer game, but then again I found especially in NWN2 too many spells, I'd never use in my life there anyway.

In DA:O the companions will react to many of your (moral) decisions. But even if some begin to hate you, there is always a chance to appease with gifts. You can play pretty much the way you want, although some ways are easier than others. The difference in gameplay when choosing different character class is much more substantial than in ME or ME2, even than NWN2. (Yes, I know NWN2 is basically from Obsidian, but it's gameplay still resembles much of NWN from Bioware with a more modern engine.)

FO3 seems to have a much more open-world sandbox design with a high degree of freedom of movement. While this adds to the immersion possible lengths of gameplay seem inevitable. On the other side of the medal you have DA:O, which is a masterpiece in storytelling and intense drama. There again you may feel stronger constraints in the freedom of movement although you can decide fairly freely in which order you want to perform your tasks. At the beginning DA:O is a bit linear, but increases the number of options as the game progresses.

I'd recommend to play both and also The Witcher (Enhanced Edition), and also NWN2 (if you haven't done so yet), while we're at it.

P.S.:  Especially with DA:O and NWN (1+2) I strongly recommend to play these games on a PC instead of a console. While this is also my personal preference the PC version has among some other stronger areas the huge advantage of the community toolset. Even if you never create anything with it yourself, there are some quite good community add-ons in the internet available, which you would miss out playing on console.

Modifié par Zenon, 06 mai 2010 - 10:27 .

[Forst1999]

Fallout 3 is a great game. The story is decent, but of course a lot less good presented than any Bioware game.The gameplay overall is fun, as much action as in Mass Effect, a not to simple but also not to complicated RPG-system. The open world is great, but you absolutly NEED the Broken Steel DLC (should be in the GOTY-Edition), or you won't enjoy the world much, because the game ends after the mainstory without the DLC (what a stupid idea, Beth!). I enjoyed Fallout 3 very much. It's different than Mass Effect in many ways, but overall good.
I cant say much about Dragon Age, i'm still trying to figure out if it's more like Mass Effect or more like Baldur's Gate. I assume the later.

Modifié par Forst1999, 06 mai 2010 - 10:21 .

[Zenon]

Forst1999 wrote...

I cant say much about Dragon Age, i'm still trying to figure out if it's more like Mass Effect or more like Baldur's Gate. I assume the later.

DA:O is definitely much more like Baldur's Gate (2), but with a different world and story. Bioware also created their own RPG system for this, which has little resemblance to the (A)D&D system of BG or NWN series.

[DaringMoosejaw]

It has nothing to do with BioWare

Lies.

http://en.wikipedia....s_2#Development

Modifié par DaringMoosejaw, 06 mai 2010 - 11:29 .

[WorpeX]

i liked fallout 3 until I got to the end and beat it. The ending left a sour taste in my mouth and I dont think i'll ever go back to the game.

[Brako Shepard]

WorpeX wrote...

i liked fallout 3 until I got to the end and beat it. The ending left a sour taste in my mouth and I dont think i'll ever go back to the game.

The DLC pack(can't remember its name) alters that ending, making it much better. When a character dies in a 2 hour movie you can kind of understand it. But when you just put over 100 hours into a game, the last thing you want to see if your character die.

Games taking influences can be good, but some things should not cross over.

[vhatever]

WorpeX wrote...

i liked fallout 3 until I got to the end and beat it. The ending left a sour taste in my mouth and I dont think i'll ever go back to the game.

Especially if you have a certain super mutant teammate.

Uhhh, dude... I saved you.... Can't you just...

Nope.

But you are immune to radiation! Would be stupid for me to go in!

Quit your whining, we got a game to end!

Modifié par vhatever, 06 mai 2010 - 12:06 .

[Kangasniemi]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

It has nothing to do with BioWare

Lies.

http://en.wikipedia....s_2#Development

Offering technical support for the engine, which Obsidian rewrote from bottom up doesn't  make NWN2 a Bioware game no matter how you look at it. Bioware had virtually nothing to do with NWN2.

The game is made by Obsidian not Bioware, so IT IS NOT a Bioware game. All the games Obsidian makes are bad and soulless imitations of Bioware games.

If you think that the engine defines who made the game, then Mass Effect 2 is made by Epic Games.

Modifié par Kangasniemi, 06 mai 2010 - 01:22 .

[Sigma Tauri]

adidaz wrote...
How is the story line in FO3 over all?

The story's about daddy and water.

You make a judge of that.

Jsmith0730 wrote...

I'm so looking forward to FO4. Vegas,
baby!

New Vegas isn't FO4. There, you're enlightened.

Modifié par monkeycamoran, 06 mai 2010 - 01:50 .

[Cyberfrog81]

Fallout 3 is a great game, but personally I prefer Dragon Age. Those who really, really enjoy exploration and shooting things though, should perhaps go for Fallout 3.

[sonsonthebia07]

vhatever wrote...

adidaz wrote...

lol it was all about Oblivion there for awhile but after playing ME2 I want to shoot more, sword fight less. How is the story line in FO3 over all?

Pretty poor storyline(improves a lot with the DLC). But good enrionment, and very open-ended sandbox style, like oblivion.

I was never so diappointed with game ending than FO3, because while playing it you thought it had some much potential. And then suddenly it's over as soon as it seems it just began.

The thing about Fallout 3 as well as Oblivion is that both games are so much more than the main story-line. You don't even have to start on it to get tons of playing time out of the games. That alone makes how the "story" ended rather meaningless to me.

Dragon Age feels in fact rather similar to Mass Effect at first in a lot of regards - character driven, small squad based combat, and romances, among others. But as others have said in this thread, Dragon Age is more of a "traditional" RPG in a lot of ways from the inventory to the fantasy setting, with good combat elements in addition. Mass Effect, especially the second, is more of a third-person shooter with RPG elements. The combat plays out very much like Gears of War if you have ever played it, which is probably my favorite shooter of all time, so I have absolutely no qualms with this.

[Milana_Saros]

adidaz wrote...

I love Mass Effect 1 & 2, best games ever. Since I have beat 1 & getting ready to finish 2, I was wanting to get a new game soon & was thinking about Dragon Age: Origins or maybe Fallout 3. Which do you guys like better?  Is DA anything like ME?

For an overall, enjoyable gaming experience with real interaction to the world you're playing in and a story that actually excist other than in your journal: DAO

For endless fighting, roaming and huge modding possibilities: Fallout 3

To me, Fallout 3, just like Oblivion & Morrowind, was like a sandbox. Empty and boring vanilla but mods can make the game last and last and last...played Morrowind for 3 years. Still, on it's own, the game is kinda...well...boring. I could never imagine playing Oblivion/Fallout 3 without mods...

If you enjoyed the story and having party members in ME games then maybe DAO is for you...but if you like exploring and just going around blowing stuff to bits then Fallout 3 is for you.

[Unit-Alpha]

Dick Delaware wrote...

AnathamaDye wrote...

I spent the whole summer/fall JUST playing Fallout 3.  It is one of my favorites (besides ME2).  I also love Dragonage, you really get into the story.  But I would say to play Fallout 3 first then Dragonage.  You'll spend hundreds of hours on it.  Also get the game of the year edition, comes with ALL the DLC.  And Bethesda really knows how to make their DLC.

Bethesda DLC is generally better, yes.

That being said, I wouldn't get Mothership Zeta, waste of money. Operation: Anchorage has some nifty gear, but the content itself kinda sucks. The only DLC I really liked were The Pitt and Broken Steel, but a lot of folks also seemed to like Point Lookout.

FO3 is much more similar to ME, minus the fact that it plays in third person (ME, this is).

Offtopic: Mothership Zeta was a bit linear, but it was gorgeous and had some excellent production values. Besides, I got a ton of new weapons. Of course, that is considering the fact that I picked up Zeta, Pitt, and Operation for 400 MS points each when they were on sale.

[Unit-Alpha]

Milana_Saros wrote...

adidaz wrote...

I love Mass Effect 1 & 2, best games ever. Since I have beat 1 & getting ready to finish 2, I was wanting to get a new game soon & was thinking about Dragon Age: Origins or maybe Fallout 3. Which do you guys like better?  Is DA anything like ME?

For an overall, enjoyable gaming experience with real interaction to the world you're playing in and a story that actually excist other than in your journal: DAO

For endless fighting, roaming and huge modding possibilities: Fallout 3

To me, Fallout 3, just like Oblivion & Morrowind, was like a sandbox. Empty and boring vanilla but mods can make the game last and last and last...played Morrowind for 3 years. Still, on it's own, the game is kinda...well...boring. I could never imagine playing Oblivion/Fallout 3 without mods...

If you enjoyed the story and having party members in ME games then maybe DAO is for you...but if you like exploring and just going around blowing stuff to bits then Fallout 3 is for you.

Oblivion isn't as good without mods. Fallout 3, on the other hand, is still excellent without mods. I've played over 150 hours and still am not bored and can still discover new places/people/items.

[Masticetobbacco]

adidaz wrote...

I love Mass Effect 1 & 2, best games ever. Since I have beat 1 & getting ready to finish 2, I was wanting to get a new game soon & was thinking about Dragon Age: Origins or maybe Fallout 3. Which do you guys like better?  Is DA anything like ME?

NPCs in both games have the same arm animations when talking!
Voice actors are same in both games!

they are so totally similar

[DarthRomance]

Fallout 3 is a better game on 360. Dragon Age is probably better on PC.

[Milana_Saros]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Oblivion isn't as good without mods. Fallout 3, on the other hand, is still excellent without mods. I've played over 150 hours and still am not bored and can still discover new places/people/items.

You're right about that. To tell the truth, Oblivion is pretty FAIL without mods. Scaled loot/monsters for starters. Fallout 3 fares far better vanilla, it doesn't feel "broken". Still, the game really gets to shine with mods.

[KitsuneRommel]

Kangasniemi wrote...

The game is made by Obsidian not Bioware, so IT IS NOT a Bioware game. All the games Obsidian makes are bad and soulless imitations of Bioware games.

You actually like NWN more than NWN2?

[DiTHmaphacks]

Fallout3 Definately over DA:O.I played only Fallout3 for at least 2 months when it came out and it also has amazing DLCs.



And since you enjoyed ME then you are going to enjoy Fallout.Its pretty much same genre.

[simonc4175]

adidaz wrote...

I love Mass Effect 1 & 2, best games ever. Since I have beat 1 & getting ready to finish 2, I was wanting to get a new game soon & was thinking about Dragon Age: Origins or maybe Fallout 3. Which do you guys like better?  Is DA anything like ME?

Well they use the same usual Bioware storyline but gameplay between the two is a lot diffrent

[Fraevar]

adidaz wrote...

I was meaning alike as in story depth etc, but they both sound like great games. I loved playing Oblivion & I heard Fallout was like that but with guns lol but then I heard a lot about Dragon Age too. I'll probably end up getting Fallout first & rent Dragon Age to make sure I like it, I'm not sure I like the total rpgs.. But yeah, thanks for the input!

You will probably dislike Dragon Age on a console, since you have to micromanage a whole lot more in that game than in ME or ME2. You will have the Power Wheel up 90% of the time in combat. If you like micromanaging everything, then I suspect you'd be fine, but Dragon Age is far more brutal than ME or ME2 if you try to avoid doing it or if you level up improperly.

[Kangasniemi]

KitsuneRommel wrote...

Kangasniemi wrote...

The game is made by Obsidian not Bioware, so IT IS NOT a Bioware game. All the games Obsidian makes are bad and soulless imitations of Bioware games.

You actually like NWN more than NWN2?

Don't really like either of them, but if I had to choose I would say NWN is better than NWN2.

[Milana_Saros]

Kangasniemi wrote...

Don't really like either of them, but if I had to choose I would say NWN is better than NWN2.

Agreed. NWN fealt a lot longer and far better in quality. I would count it as one of the "classics" but NWN2...not so much. NWN2 fealt more like a milk-cow...and the engine made my computer cry. Still, it was a decent gaming experience.