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[widowspeak]

I cannot speak from experience about Fallout 3, though my friends and coworkers seem to think very highly of it and all it's DLC.



As to DA:O, the game isn't perfect, but it is quite enjoyable, to say the least. Remember the big, "You have GOT to be kidding me?!?" moments from ME1?



Yeah, Dragon Age has a few of those. Those are what make it all worthwhile for me.



Gameplay-wise, it depends on what platform you play it on. If you play the PC version, playing a mage SUCKS. On any difficulty other than 'casual', area-of-effect spells cause friendly fire damage, making combat very frustrating as a magic-user. If you play it on the 360 or PS3, its a bit better, as friendly fire damage from AOE spells only applies if you play above 'normal.'



In terms of bang for your buck, I spent nearly 50 hours on my first playthrough of DA:O and that's not including the new Awakening expansion pack.



HTH with your decision, and happy playing when you get to it.

[KitsuneRommel]

Milana_Saros wrote...

Agreed. NWN fealt a lot longer and far better in quality. I would count it as one of the "classics" but NWN2...not so much. NWN2 fealt more like a milk-cow...and the engine made my computer cry. Still, it was a decent gaming experience.

NWN campaign was atrocious and you had 1 henchman that was more like a pet than a companion. Without modding NWN would still be probably the worst D&D computer game ever (well, after Pool of Radiance: Ruins of Myth Drannor).

[Silvanend]

Fallout beats the **** out of these games, It has a longer lasting legacy and a very unique story. At some points in ME I can't help but laugh at some of the parts in a story, like the fact that sovereign looks like a very delicious lobster YUM, YUM! I get bored of DAO because of how much it reminds me of Lord of the Rings. I mean come one... Sauron is a fallen god and So is the Archdemon.

[AlanC9]

Corrupted, not fallen. Big difference.

[AlanC9]

widowspeak wrote...
Gameplay-wise, it depends on what platform you play it on. If you play the PC version, playing a mage SUCKS. On any difficulty other than 'casual', area-of-effect spells cause friendly fire damage, making combat very frustrating as a magic-user.

Only frustrating for the incompetent. If you want to play casual, set the difficulty to casual.

[Milana_Saros]

KitsuneRommel wrote...

Milana_Saros wrote...

Agreed. NWN fealt a lot longer and far better in quality. I would count it as one of the "classics" but NWN2...not so much. NWN2 fealt more like a milk-cow...and the engine made my computer cry. Still, it was a decent gaming experience.

NWN campaign was atrocious and you had 1 henchman that was more like a pet than a companion. Without modding NWN would still be probably the worst D&D computer game ever (well, after Pool of Radiance: Ruins of Myth Drannor).

Yeah well that's your opinion. For me NWN1 fealt more "legendary" and a lot of people kept on playing it for ages. Not horribly interested in dueling over opinions.

[KitsuneRommel]

Milana_Saros wrote...

Yeah well that's your opinion. For me NWN1 fealt more "legendary" and a lot of people kept on playing it for ages. Not horribly interested in dueling over opinions.

Yeah, opinions...

I really laughed when I read gamespot review of it.
It's comparable with and in many ways superior to BioWare's previous
RPGs--or any other top-notch RPG to date for that matter. If Neverwinter
Nights offered nothing other than this campaign, it would still be one
of the best RPGs to come out in years.

And then another reviewer writes how the single player campaign was really too simple.

The whole campaign seemed to be made with the formula "Here's a quest hub. You need these 4 things to continue forward (which coincidentally happen to be north, east, south and west from the hub). Rinse and repeat." And since it was made to be playable with a single character everything was dumbed down. You could rest pretty much anywhere and get full HP and spells back. What made NWN classic was the toolset and player made mods.

[AlanC9]

The original NWN OC design was straight-up linear, one quest leading straight to the next. Turns out that computer gamers only like some PnP design customs, not all of them,.

[widowspeak]

AlanC9 wrote...

widowspeak wrote...
Gameplay-wise, it depends on what platform you play it on. If you play the PC version, playing a mage SUCKS. On any difficulty other than 'casual', area-of-effect spells cause friendly fire damage, making combat very frustrating as a magic-user.

Only frustrating for the incompetent. If you want to play casual, set the difficulty to casual.

Wow, arrogant much?  I don't see any name-calling in my response, so why bring it out in yours?  What crawled up your armor and died?

[AlanC9]

Just calling it the way I see it.



And saying it sucks on the PC, when it only "sucks" on the PC if you somehow can't find the difficulty control and can't handle a moderately challenging game, is terrible advice.

[Arawn-Loki]

KitsuneRommel wrote...

Kangasniemi wrote...

The game is made by Obsidian not Bioware, so IT IS NOT a Bioware game. All the games Obsidian makes are bad and soulless imitations of Bioware games.

You actually like NWN more than NWN2?

NWN hasn't aged as well as a series like FF6, that's for sure.

Still, I have a hard time saying NWN2 is better than NWN: Hordes of the Underdark.

Modifié par Arawn-Loki, 08 mai 2010 - 11:41 .

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Milana_Saros wrote...

Kangasniemi wrote...

Don't really like either of them, but if I had to choose I would say NWN is better than NWN2.

Agreed. NWN fealt a lot longer and far better in quality. I would count it as one of the "classics" but NWN2...not so much. NWN2 fealt more like a milk-cow...and the engine made my computer cry. Still, it was a decent gaming experience.

Picked the wrong day to stop sniffing airplane glue?

NWN had the worst plot and writing of any Bioware game. I played through it a few times with characters then couldn't take it anymore and luckily the multiplayer with the modding community was awesome of it would of been a flop.

NWN2's system requirments were crazy upon release but the story kicked the butt ouf of NWN 1, Obsidian did a decent job, albeit the romance was contrived and somewhat wierd.

[KitsuneRommel]

Arawn-Loki wrote...

Still, I have a hard time saying NWN2 is better than NWN: Hordes of the Underdark.

I didn't go that far. We were talking about the NWN OC. I can't make a real comparison since I haven't played any of the NWN 2 addons.

[KitsuneRommel]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

NWN had the worst plot and writing of any Bioware game. I played through it a few times with characters then couldn't take it anymore and luckily the multiplayer with the modding community was awesome of it would of been a flop.

NWN2's system requirments were crazy upon release but the story kicked the butt ouf of NWN 1, Obsidian did a decent job, albeit the romance was contrived and somewhat wierd.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who's extremely disappointed in the OC.

Also I didn't buy NWN2 when it came out. My specs were too low for the game to run properly.

[AlanC9]

Was NWN2 really that demanding? IIRC it tended to run OK on the midspec machines of the era, though sometimes high-end ones would fail badly for some reason.

[SuperMedbh]

DA:O was my gateway drug for the Mass Effect series Basically, I'd never seen a (mainstream) videogame with anything I'd consider a decent narrative before. Fantastic world building, sure, but not narrative. Many of the story conventions and quest conventions are the same for DA:O and ME1. IMHO, the female romance options are significantly better in DA:O. You also get a longer time to chat with the NPCs, so you'll get to know everyone pretty well.



Gameplay is totally different. Mass Effect is shooter, DA:O is kinda like a single player WoW. This may influence your perception of difficulty. I play DA on Normal, and find it challenging enough, but I play Mass Effect on Insanity. My husband is a WoW gamestyle geek (I love him anyway) and had no trouble ever with DA. He manages somehow to die on Normal with a Sentinel

[MajesticJazz]

adidaz wrote...

I love Mass Effect 1 & 2, best games ever. Since I have beat 1 & getting ready to finish 2, I was wanting to get a new game soon & was thinking about Dragon Age: Origins or maybe Fallout 3. Which do you guys like better?  Is DA anything like ME?

DA is a RPG and ME2 is a Shooter

[Sidney]

adidaz wrote...

I love Mass Effect 1 & 2, best games ever. Since I have beat 1 & getting ready to finish 2, I was wanting to get a new game soon & was thinking about Dragon Age: Origins or maybe Fallout 3. Which do you guys like better?  Is DA anything like ME?

FO3 is a sandbox, like Oblivion or Morrowind. There's a "story" but you won't care might never finish it. The joy of FO3 is just roaming the wasteland and finding the odd characters in it and helping/hurting them. There's precious little connected narrative so it is like paying dozens and dozens of very short vignettes rather than a single long story. Still, it can be compelling. The hybrid turn-based/real-time combat is pretty good - the sounds really bugged me though - and the NPC's aren't total idiots - which if you played FO1 and FO2 is a huge relief.

DAO is much more like ME in the sense that unlike FO3 it has a stronger narrative focus and while there are, like ME, unconnected side missions there is still a central narrative you'll want to complete. The gameplay mechanics are a lot more "traditional" in terms of you tell someone what to do as opposed to doing it yourself and you control everyone rather than just your PC.

It depends oin what you liked in ME1 and ME2. If you liked the combat and freedom then FO3 is your best bet if you liked the storyline then DAO is going to be your best bet.

[widowspeak]

AlanC9 wrote...

Just calling it the way I see it.

And saying it sucks on the PC, when it only "sucks" on the PC if you somehow can't find the difficulty control and can't handle a moderately challenging game, is terrible advice.

I didn't say the PC version sucks, I said playing a mage on the PC version sucks.  There is a difference, and is a matter of opinion.  But if you want to get into that arguement, what about the problems the PC verison has with memory leak?  Have they even patched that problem yet? 

Also?  Advice in these cases is almost soley based on opinion, so why split hairs?

[Elvis_Mazur]

I say that DA and ME have much things in common.



In Mass Effect we have the Normandy where we can talk to our squadmates, in DA we have the camp. In Mass Effect we make some difficult choices and we do the same in DA. In Mass Effect we see conflicts between races and we see this in DA. Great character development in both games,etc.



I never played the previous Bioware's games. So, for me DA is the closest game to Mass Effect i ever saw. The base of both games are almost the same.



About Fallout 3. If you are looking for good story, you better stay far away from Fallout 3. Yes the story of F3 sucks.

[KitsuneRommel]

AlanC9 wrote...

Was NWN2 really that demanding? IIRC it tended to run OK on the midspec machines of the era, though sometimes high-end ones would fail badly for some reason.

Well I could run it... with all details at low. It was partly because my CPU had fried just a while earlier and I was using my old one.

[nikki191]

you will notice the non speaking main character in both games stands out extremely badly in both FO3 and DAO

[bas273]

widowspeak wrote...

I cannot speak from experience about Fallout 3, though my friends and coworkers seem to think very highly of it and all it's DLC.

As to DA:O, the game isn't perfect, but it is quite enjoyable, to say the least. Remember the big, "You have GOT to be kidding me?!?" moments from ME1?

Yeah, Dragon Age has a few of those. Those are what make it all worthwhile for me.

Gameplay-wise, it depends on what platform you play it on. If you play the PC version, playing a mage SUCKS. On any difficulty other than 'casual', area-of-effect spells cause friendly fire damage, making combat very frustrating as a magic-user. If you play it on the 360 or PS3, its a bit better, as friendly fire damage from AOE spells only applies if you play above 'normal.'

In terms of bang for your buck, I spent nearly 50 hours on my first playthrough of DA:O and that's not including the new Awakening expansion pack.

HTH with your decision, and happy playing when you get to it.

Playing as a Mage sucks? The Mage is by far the most powerful class in the game.
I've soloed a Mage (Blood Mage / Arcane Warrior), Warrior and Thief on Nightmare and the Mage was a cakewalk. Yes AoE spells also damage your allies but that's why you shouldn't use them on your teammates. AoE spells are incredibly useful (Virulent Walking Bomb! Storm of the Century!), especially in buildings.

Fallout 3 is fun. It's a sandbox game with a lot of possibilities, but the game isn't perfect. Things I don't like about Fallout 3:
- The story
- Some of the DLC's (Point Lookout is awesome, Mothership Zeta is an immersion breaker for me, Operation Anchorage is quite short and Broken Steel turns the whole game into an unbalanced mess and has no story).
- The graphics. I admit that the setting is quite nice but if you compare the NPC's and textures with Dragon Age Origins, or even Mass Effect 1, you'll see that Bioware>Bethesda on visuals/animations.
- Companions? Romances? 
- More weapons please! Only one sniper rifle? No weapon attachments?
- No respawning enemies so after a few hours the Wasteland feels empty.
- Combat. I prefer the combat in ME1, Dragon Age and ME2. V.A.T.S. is over-rated imo and makes the game too easy. First-person combat needs iron sights and more action. Even the combat in Oblivion was better.
- Too easy. Where's the hardcore mode where you need to drink water, eat food, sleep every day and treat your injuries? I was expecting a horror survival game, not an arcade RPG/shooter.

Some of these problems are fixed by mods but I still prefer ME1/ME2/DragonAge.

[Cyberfrog81]

PetrySilva wrote...
About Fallout 3. If you are looking for good story, you better stay far away from Fallout 3. Yes the story of F3 sucks.

Well yes, it kinda does. But I thought the whole being born and growing up in the Vault thing was pretty classy. Mostly the main quest serves to give you direction when you're out of things to do and don't feel like running around aimlessly (with less negativity known as "exploring"). And it has its moments.

ME and DA do indeed have similarities, but DA clearly plays like a RPG while ME plays like, harshly put, a shooter that lets you talk to people.

[mosor]

Personally I liked Fallout 1 & 2 better than 3. Not because the gameplay was better. I liked it because your choices had consequences for many areas of the world and at the end of the game you read about them in the epilogue. Fallout 3, pretty much has one ending (Whether you sacrifice yourself or not, it doesn't make a real difference)



In that respect, fallout 1 & 2 are more similar to DA:O and probably mass effect. Most of the replayability lies in the choices you make. At least the bioware games have different classes to replay those choices.