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[Gilsa]

Elps wrote...

Gilsa wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Willowhugger wrote...

Well given my Dwarf Female Noble is Bhelen's sister, obviously she'll be there to comfort Gorim when he's widowed in a month or two.

Do you really want to be a step-mom?

Only way you'll raise a kid with Gorim. =p

Why? The taint makes it hard, but not impossible, for a Grey Warden to have children.

My DNF knew there was no future with Gorim so was just happy for him that he was alive and had found a good woman. It would have been nice to have a dwarven romance option in the game though. Humans? Elves? Blerch!

Well, the taint does make it hard, but dwarves are not a very fertile race so the odds are stacked a bit higher. They are far more likely to breed with their own kind, but much less so with humans and elves. Just saying.

Modifié par Gilsa, 06 mai 2010 - 04:38 .

[Patriciachr34]

My first dwarf noble just left Gorim sitting in the throne room in his warrior armor while she went off to recruit more grey wardens. Once a surfacer, always a surfacer.

[Sarah1281]

Patriciachr34 wrote...

My first dwarf noble just left Gorim sitting in the throne room in his warrior armor while she went off to recruit more grey wardens. Once a surfacer, always a surfacer.

That is so depressing...and it's not like he won't go back without you anyway.

[SarEnyaDor]

It certainly seemed to me that Gorim was coming back to Orzammar with me, and he seemed pretty happy to do it, too.







The ending is in the mind of the beholder.

[Sarah1281]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

It certainly seemed to me that Gorim was coming back to Orzammar with me, and he seemed pretty happy to do it, too.



The ending is in the mind of the beholder.

The depressing statement is "Once a Surfacer always a Surfacer." But what if you kind of hate the Surface and want to go back home now that you're a Paragon? Let other, non-Blight enders rebuild the Wardens. The Orlesian Wardens really haven't had anything to do since the last time they had to rebuild the Ferelden Wardens and they already managed it once.

[Willowhugger]

You're a Paragon, so you can do whatever you want.



Besides, if Bhelen is King, the whole surface dwarf thing is shot in the foot anyway. He'll have a lot more ease getting dwarves to accept surface dwarves than casteless. Heck, they already accept the Brother Dwarf.

[Sarah1281]

Willowhugger wrote...

You're a Paragon, so you can do whatever you want.

Besides, if Bhelen is King, the whole surface dwarf thing is shot in the foot anyway. He'll have a lot more ease getting dwarves to accept surface dwarves than casteless. Heck, they already accept the Brother Dwarf.

Well, Bhelen being a King in that scenario really ruins my goal of becoming Queen so it only happens now and then. Other origins, though, he's always King.

[Patriciachr34]

My first DN was a bit of a prig. She saw Gorim as a complete coat tailer. He couldn't wait for her in Denerim and she wasn't about to give him a place back in Orzamar. She also pretty much believed in the caste system, killed Trian, and Dace. Oddly enough, she accepted her exile. No regrets, especially after killing Behlen. Duty and honor were everything for her. She redeemed her honor and now needed to do her duty as a grey warden. I guess she was a true DN in that she believed she was above it all, better than anyone else. She didn't need to prove it. She knew it.

[Sarah1281]

He couldn't wait for her in Denerim and she wasn't about to give him a place back in Orzamar.

You mean when he offers to be your second? He's still been promoted to House Aeducan by the Assembly/Bhelen/Harrowmont, you know.



And how much duty do you have as a GW after practically single-handedly stopping the Blight? You killed the Archdemon, you did what was necessary to get the mages/templars elves/werewolves dwarves/golems into your army, and you settled the Ferelden civil war so you could actually deal with the Blight. No one's going to accuse you of not doing your duty after that.

[Rhys Cordelle]

Well, at least Gorim is good enough to give me a freakin great deal on my sale items :-)



I'm planning to side with Bhelen when I get back to Orzammar. I figure that the throne should stay with the Aeducans no matter what. And once I'm a Paragon, I'll be back to reclaim it

[Sarah1281]

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

Well, at least Gorim is good enough to give me a freakin great deal on my sale items :-)

I'm planning to side with Bhelen when I get back to Orzammar. I figure that the throne should stay with the Aeducans no matter what. And once I'm a Paragon, I'll be back to reclaim it

Well, good luck with that. Bhelen's paranoid (especially after what he did to you) and Harrowmont's old so you'd have a better chance with him but I suppose if you have a good enough plan it could work. You'd only get one shot, though, before Bhelen doesn't let you anywhere near him.

[Willowhugger]

Well, Bhelen being a King in that scenario really ruins my goal of becoming Queen so it only happens now and then. Other origins, though, he's always King.

Well you're dwarves.

Bhelen will undoubtedly try to kill you.

You'll undoubtedly try to kill Bhelen.

That's just part of the fun.

[Patriciachr34]

In her mind she can never go back. Once a surfacer, always a surfacer. She knew her and Gorim could never be together in Orzamar as her duty would never allow it, but when she found him on the surface she thought they could have a life together. Then he drops the bomb about the wife and kid. She could never forgive him for betraying her love, the only thing she had that was truly hers and hers alone. Then Gorim says after the coronation that they could go back to Orzamar together. At that point she knew that he really didn't understand her or what she considered her duty. She saw restoring the Aeducan clan and naming her as Paragon as restoring her family honor. This was as close to home as she would ever get. You see, she had committed her sword to the grey wardens and had been under the sky too long. Her previous name and title had been stricken from the stone. She was now a grey warden as was written in the stone. Her path was set.

[Sarah1281]

So it's a 'once you go to the surface you're forever tainted' kind of thing? Or did you just really not want to return to Orzammar out of bitterness/bad memories/simply liked the surface better?

[Patriciachr34]

Tainted is a good description. She can no longer return to Orzamar, or to the stone. For her, dieing in the deep roads is the next best thing. It's at least better than dieing under the open sky. Funny thing is, she romanced Alistair. Zevran is a commoner and she just couldn't do that. Alistair is a prince by his father's line (caste sytem at work). He is also a grey warden. So he's not only the right caste, he's the right "clan". She can over look the human thing since their won't be any heirs. They'll just make more grey wardens together. It's kind of weird once you look at it.

Edit:  For her, the culture of Orzamar is an absolute.  She not only did she live it, she still does.  She believes in the ancestors and all of the restrictions of that culture.  In her way, she can still find personal dwarven honor by embracing her exile and all of the things that come with that.  It's how she coped with losing everything that she was.  It has helped her move on to a new life.

Modifié par Patriciachr34, 07 mai 2010 - 04:16 .

[Sarah1281]

So even though the Assembly voted to reinstate her, made her a Paragon, and GW can go to the surface without losing their caste the fact she was exiled at all means that the Assembly changing their mind is meaningless?

[Willowhugger]

Yeah, none of that is true.



The fact she's a Paragon means she can return and none of her exile status means anything.

[Sarah1281]

Willowhugger wrote...

Yeah, none of that is true.

The fact she's a Paragon means she can return and none of her exile status means anything.

Legally, no it doesn't, but if you don't want to go back you can always insist that you're still an exile. Of course, my DN ran back to Orzammar the minute all her surace business was dealt with and then forced the Orlesians to come rebuild Amaranthine as she was busy.

[Patriciachr34]

It's not that easy for my Trisana. Her whole identity was wrapped up in being Princess Trisana Aeducan. She was a slave to the ideals (both good and bad) of being a ruling dwarven noble. Behlen did not just betray her. He destroyed her. She wasn't even given the chance to join the Legion of the Dead. When her name was stricken from the stone, Princess Trisana Aeducan died. Being offered a place in the grey wardens allowed Trisana to create a new identity, to fight the ancestral enemy of her people, and gain a place of honor in her mind if not in the minds of her people. She was able to continue pursuing her ideals. She became Trisana, Grey Warden. Everything a grey warden is suppose to be is what Trisana became. The only thing she had left from her old life was her love for Gorim. That's why she was so devastated after talking to him in Denerim. He killed the only thing she took with her from Orzamar. That's when she knew there was no going back for her. Being a grey warden isn't just what she is any more. It's who she is.

[Sarah1281]

Ah, so it's more of a mental block then an inability to go back.

[Patriciachr34]

Yes. She can't take back what she was. It's just not in her.



My current dwarf noble doesn't have that kind of hang-up. She A LOT more easy going. She is actually happy that Gorim has found a new place in life. I haven't decided whether she will go back to Orzamar or not as I'm not done with her play through. She's just happy to not have to deal with all of that noble stuff.

[Sarah1281]

That explains it. My DN was pissed at Gorim but understood it was a matter of practicality and there was never a question of NOT wanting to return home. Especially if Bhelen's dead and she's practically a shoo-in for the throne after Harrowmont dies.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Gorim broke my heart, so I ripped his out.

[Patriciachr34]

Lol! Skadi, why am I not surprised.

[Sarah1281]

I just don't get why everyone hates all the noble stuff so much. Sure it's likely to get you killed the minute you let down your guard, but it's fun. And you don't even need to feel guilty for all the back-stabbing you do because all ofthe members of the nobility know the score and if they don't want to live like that they can always stay out of any position of prominence.



And I think that if you come across Gorim right after getting Zevran (with no mod to speed that up) then by the time the game's over and he's telling you he's returning and you can, too, then it's been about a year so you've made some decent progress getting over him. I never resent his offer to come back and be my second because at this point I KNOW I can trust Gorim. Sure he won't stay single for me, but he's willing to be exiled for my sake when if he started confirming Ivo's story he could probably have gotten out of it and he neve resented me for it. Trust is perhaps the most precious commodity among nobles so I was thrilled that he offered. Besides, he's all kinds of awesome and even if we can't be together it'd still be nice hanging out with him again.