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[phaonica]

Were the books published before the game? If the books were published before they decided to change his personality for the game, then perhaps they did intend for him to be a certain someone then changed it for the game. Hm. Only they know.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

ZombieGeisha wrote...

I think Cailan is older, though i think Alistair looks older. If he is suppose to be around 21, he's veery mature looking. I kinda want him to be Fionas son, but how does Goldanna fit into it?

Or maybe there was a maid who had a child and died around the same time and thought it would be an good idea to say alistair was the maids kid , be less of a shock compared to being half-elf?

Sorry about spelling etc, im on my phone!

I agree Cailan is older.  I always put Alistair around 21-23 years of age.   After reading "The Calling"  I'm also in the camp that Fiona is Alistair's mother.  She is a mage/elf/and grey warden at the main grey warden fortress. I also wonder why Alistair is called away after the ritual ending to the main fortress where his mother is.

I agree with the maid dying with child and the story was banded about she was his mother.  She was Goldanna's mother according to the game and she died during childbirth or was murdered for the story to line up that way.  In the book Cailan is 5 when Fiona's and Maric's son is born.

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 07 mai 2010 - 10:25 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

phaonica wrote...

Were the books published before the game? If the books were published before they decided to change his personality for the game, then perhaps they did intend for him to be a certain someone then changed it for the game. Hm. Only they know.

Yes, the books were published before the game was released.  I really enjoyed reading them and having the lore before playing the game.  It was shocking to discover Loghain's betrayal during the game.

[Sarah1281]

She was Goldanna's mother according to the game and she died during childbirth or was murdered for the story to line up that way.

They're not going to MURDER someone so they can have a convenient cover-up. I mean, they could have just as easily claimed that the baby was abandoned somewhere and they found it but since they already had the dead servant why not claim it was hers?

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

Cailin deffiently seems like a child compared to alistar i've never heard some say glory so much EVER. He deffiently seems like the younger brother. But who knows right?

[Sarah1281]

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

Cailin deffiently seems like a child compared to alistar i've never heard some say glory so much EVER. He deffiently seems like the younger brother. But who knows right?

His obsession with glory kind of freaked my DN out and her society was all about the glory. Maybe if he'd used some synonyms it would be less weird?

[jpdipity]

IMO, how a Therin acts does not properly reflect his age. Maric was called a fool several times and in both books. He gets through things with his charisma and sense of duty -- not his wisdom, stategic mastery or his overall ability/willingness to rule. I imagine that both Cailan and Allistair are much the same way - Charismatic Fools; therefore, judging their age by their actions won't yield accurate results.

Modifié par jpdipity, 07 mai 2010 - 04:48 .

[mopotter]

pudi0072000 wrote...

Depends on if you think Alistair's mother was really a maid, in which case he would be about 2 or 3 years older. Or if you believe he's Fiona's son, he'd be 5 to 6 years younger.

I agree.  Personally, I think Alistair is older.  Possibly an accident that happened while Maric was wondering around with Loghain and Rowan.  He wasn't in love with Rowan in the first book so I don't think he would have felt any sense of betrayal.  Especially since Rowan and Loghain were falling in love. 

I wonder if we will ever know for sure.  I hope so.

[Sarah1281]

mopotter wrote...

pudi0072000 wrote...

Depends on if you think Alistair's mother was really a maid, in which case he would be about 2 or 3 years older. Or if you believe he's Fiona's son, he'd be 5 to 6 years younger.

I agree.  Personally, I think Alistair is older.  Possibly an accident that happened while Maric was wondering around with Loghain and Rowan.  He wasn't in love with Rowan in the first book so I don't think he would have felt any sense of betrayal.  Especially since Rowan and Loghain were falling in love. 

I wonder if we will ever know for sure.  I hope so.

If the story about the maid is true whose maid would she have been, though, if it took place before the occupation ended?

[Inzhuna]

Even if Alistair is the maid's son, it would still take place after occupation ended, otherwise, it makes him 30 or more years old.

[Suron]

Valentia X wrote...

Younger. I'm in the camp that Alistair is Fiona's son, and I thought it was established by someone in Bioware that Alistair is just barely out of his teens, whereas Cailan is nearing thirty.

This..Fiona -IS- Alistairs mothers.  I refuse to believe..after how Maric's character and ways were laid out in the books that he'd just bang some maid and hide the son.

also the similarities are TOO SIMILAR..if Gaider tries to say that Fiona isn't the mother...that's just ******-poor writing...everything about Fiona and Marics child fits Alistair...down to Fiona wanting the child hidden etc...AND will explain why Duncan kept an eye on him and took him into the Wardens when he saw how miserable he was in the Chantry.

Sure it's possible Fiona isn't the mother...but quite frankly I refuse to believe Gaider is that poor a writer.

so...in essence....Cailan is older.

[Inzhuna]

Yeah I agree Suron. It would just ruin the character of Maric to me.

[Sarah1281]

What I want to know is: if it's so OOC we can tell after two books why did Loghain buy it?

[Raiil]

Sarah1281 wrote...

What I want to know is: if it's so OOC we can tell after two books why did Loghain buy it?

Perhaps because Rowan was involved. The women in Loghain's life seem to be his soft spot, just like anything that remotely seems Orlesian is his rage trigger.

[BigBad]

I still have problems placing Goldanna into things. If Alistair is Fiona's son, which fits with virtually everything else, who is Goldanna? I suppose it's possible that her mother died in childbirth and her brother was stillborn, with Alistair being passed off as the babe, but Goldanna specifically references her mother's affair with Maric, or at least the parentage of the baby.

[Sarah1281]

Valentia X wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

What I want to know is: if it's so OOC we can tell after two books why did Loghain buy it?

Perhaps because Rowan was involved. The women in Loghain's life seem to be his soft spot, just like anything that remotely seems Orlesian is his rage trigger.

Yeah, I suppose if Maric went to Loghain and mentioned that, oh by the way, he had a bastard son from a few years ago while he was married to Rowan then Loghain wouldn't want any details and do what he had to to preserve Rowan's honor.

[Xandurpein]

BigBad wrote...

I still have problems placing Goldanna into things. If Alistair is Fiona's son, which fits with virtually everything else, who is Goldanna? I suppose it's possible that her mother died in childbirth and her brother was stillborn, with Alistair being passed off as the babe, but Goldanna specifically references her mother's affair with Maric, or at least the parentage of the baby.

I think Goldanna is the real child of the servant they claimed was Alistairs mother to cover up who's child Alistair really was. So in effect she is probably his "stepsister" with no blood relation at all.

[nos_astra]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

What I want to know is: if it's so OOC we can tell after two books why did Loghain buy it?

Perhaps because Rowan was involved. The women in Loghain's life seem to be his soft spot, just like anything that remotely seems Orlesian is his rage trigger.

Yeah, I suppose if Maric went to Loghain and mentioned that, oh by the way, he had a bastard son from a few years ago while he was married to Rowan then Loghain wouldn't want any details and do what he had to to preserve Rowan's honor.

Maric being Alistair's father seems to be an open secret anyway. Maybe Maric never told Loghain about his son himself, so Loghain heard about Alistair and the cover-up story, put two and two together and came up with five.

Modifié par klarabella, 08 mai 2010 - 06:33 .

[pudi0072000]

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

Some of the information in the toolkit is wrong, apparently.


I swear to some random holy deity, it was confirmed that Alistair is fairly young. I could have sworn I saw it somewhere... or it might be nearly 2 in the morning and I'm hallucinating. Either is just as possible.

David Gaider give this frightened reply to the Toolset age of Alistair.

Ahhhh... that's info for the VO people. It's an apparent age and gives a
range for the actor, not his actual age.

Whew! Scared me for a
moment there.

http://social.biowar...453627/1#463184

David said that the age of Cailan was a mistake in another thread, that he wasn't 5 at the time of Alistair's birth. I can't seem to find this thread now, where he mentioned the age error? He went on to say, that Cailan was 9.

You've got it backwards. Most versions say Cailan was 9, when David meant for him to be 5 at the time.

http://social.biowar...54532/1#1058487

[Rogue Eagle]

alistair is 22 - 23 to me.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Sarah1281 wrote...

She was Goldanna's mother according to the game and she died during childbirth or was murdered for the story to line up that way.

They're not going to MURDER someone so they can have a convenient cover-up. I mean, they could have just as easily claimed that the baby was abandoned somewhere and they found it but since they already had the dead servant why not claim it was hers?

Why not murder her?  Alot of dirty dealings going on in Ferelden, which I as a Grey Warden was a part of.  Whose to say they didn't murder her and the story was told she died in childbirth.  Just sayin' it could have happened this way.  I wouldn't put it past any native of Ferelden. 

[Sarah1281]

Well, there's really not much point to it when it isn't that hard to find a different excuse.