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[t3HPrO]

swk3000 wrote...

I know about it, but that doesn't change my statement. Anything that requires screwing around with game code to accomplish doesn't count, because at that point, the entire story goes out the window, and nothing is canon anymore.

Yeah,true.Sigh...what could've been...nevermind.

[swk3000]

t3HPrO wrote...

swk3000 wrote...

I couldn't care less. She's attractive, but she's also a complete b*tch, and that turns me off. She shows a glimmer of possibility at the end of the game, but she's still pretty stupid for most of it.

Not really...she's a b!*ch...till you get her loyalty mission done.It's like someone replaced Miranda with a really happy&grateful clone.

Yeah, right up until you complete Jack's Loyalty Mission, at which point she turns into a stupid, moronic b*tch. After everything that happened to Jack, all she can say is, 'You were a mistake'. I would love to have an option to b*tchslap her ass across the room right there.

[t3HPrO]

swk3000 wrote...

Yeah, right up until you complete Jack's Loyalty Mission, at which point she turns into a stupid, moronic b*tch. After everything that happened to Jack, all she can say is, 'You were a mistake'. I would love to have an option to b*tchslap her ass across the room right there.

Heh,looks like I wasn't the only one.I also kinda wanted to just smack Jack on the back of her head for being a fire-eating b!*ch(I mean,Jack started the fight,otherwise it would've been kosher).I mean,if you two women don't like each other,just STAY THE F$CK OUT OF EACH OTHER'S FACES.But noooo,Jack HAD to go confront Miranda and try to get Miranda to admit that TIM was a c0*k-sucking,child abusing SOAB.And given that TIM is Miranda's father figure(she hated her original one,remember?),it was a bit much.So my ideal Renegade interrupt was this:slap Miranda across the room and tell her she's too much,and bonk Jack on the back of her head and tell her to stop being a confrontational,crazy b!*ch.

[OniGanon]

Miranda's accent is definitely Australian.



And wasn't there some hidden unused dialogue suggesting that there was going to be a femshep/Tali romance?

[jaff00]

Haven't read through all the posts so I don't know which points have been raised already; bear with me. Personally I'd have no objections to the squad TIM 'provided'. Granted, some of 'm are not all that stable but many of 'm are uniquely capable and what with the fate of the multiverse hanging in the balance I'd say competence takes priority. As far as trustworthiness goes, I doubt I'd have problems with most of them since, at the very least, the one thing nearly all of them have in common, despite their odd quirks, is the will to survive and if they do something to **** up this mission then they'd essentially be bludgeoning their own faces on the sidewalk.

Well, Samara's code might compell her to do something that could be categorized as 'not too bright' but she did swear an oath and as such Shepard's judgments temporarily replaced her code, meaning even if she'd be inclined to whack you, she'd only be able to do so once the mission is already completed. Plus her biotic abilities supposedly rival that of an Asari matriarch, 'nuff said.

And then of course there's Grunt who doesn't particularly give a crap about the whole ordeal - Him I could do without.

[incinerator950]

Kasumi - A freaking thief.  I have never known a noble thief or a thief that I have trusted.  They are all about personal gain and for the most part stab you in the back if it meant some sort of monetary gain.  She would have been X off the list.

She's a master in the trade, and she's also a master of getting in and out without being detected.

Zaeed - Not a thief, but much like one.  In it for the money.  I would never trust someone that would go to the highest bidder.  X off the list in a hurry.

He's not a thief at all, he's the most renowned and experienced Mercenary in the entire Terminus Sector.  He was picked based on his combat experience.

Thane - What Jacob said....  Also, he is dying.  Nothing like having someone watch your back when he could croak at any moment.  No go for him 

A proffesional assassin who happens to have finesse over what the majority of the game lacks.

Grunt - Tank bred Krogan filled with whatever Okeer wanted.  Sorry, no thanks.  Too many variables.  Why didn't TIM contact Wrex and arrange something.

Because if you paid attention, you were there for Okeer.  Plus, Wrex denied even Shepards offer, because the clans are destabilized and he needs to lead them.

Samara - Lives by a rigid code and plays by her own rules.  She already said that she may kill you if you violate that code.  Yeah, too big of a chance for us to not see eye to eye and she would need to ghost me because her code demands it. 

Justicars are some of the best biotics and warriors around, even more powerful then the majority of the Asari Commando's out there.

Monrith - Sociopath, kills without remorse.  I really do not to go on about her anymore.  Why don't I just go recruit Hannibal Lecture. 

She's as powerful as her mother, and she replaces Samara in exchange for not killing her. 

Legion - No frakking toaster will be apart of my squad.  I do not think I have to go into the history of the Geth and why giving them a chance is so insanely dumb.

Again, listen to what your squadmates actually talk about.  The Geth were seeking an alliance with Shepard to help fight the Heretic Geth and the Reapers. 

Jack - Hell no!!!  What I saw her do and they way they had to lock her up.... I just would have jumped back into the ship and left her ass on Purgatory.

As much as I dislike her myself, she's considered the most powerful Human Biotic known to Cerberus.

The ones I would have in my squad...

Mordin - Seems like an alright gent, badass, smart, but seems like he is playing with a full deck

Even if he is still feeling guilty, he re-sterilized and entire species of Xenos, happens to be as crazy as the rest of your squad, and also happens to want to kill more than half your squad.  Apart from that he's a brilliant scientist and an excellent singer.

Jacob - Honest and upfront from the get go.  He is okay in my book

He also happens to be the least noteworthy character, and the most useless fighter compared to other Biotics, Shotgun users, and overal character background.

Garrus/Tali - I have rapport with them and I have been in combat with them.  Loyal and they were there on Ilos.  They will always have a spot on the roster.

Basically you don't like the group of super soldiers and crazies you were given to save the galaxy, so you want your old team back I take it?

Miranda - Loyal to cause and I figure she would have to come with the boat.

Her and Jacob, being Cerberus, she also is the only character in the game with a body

Basically in a nutshell, yes, I do like this squad.  Besides Tali and Wrex, I disliked the majority of my old squad.  Ontop of that, I only liked Liara outside of combat zones.

[Hahren]

I never believed for a minute that TIM gave Shepard a list of "experts" with Shepard's best interests at heart. TIM probably knew all along that the Omega relay would be a suicide run. They may or may not be successful. So why not throw some rivals, or potential threats to Cerberus into the crew?



At least that is the logic I use for TIM's reasoning on Jack. Jack may be a powerful biotic (we never find this out in the game hehe), but Jack *is* a threat to Cerberus. Put Jack on a suicide run, and problem is solved! TIM suggests Garrus, and Tali to throw a bone to Shepard. It's really only there to manipulate you to his agenda.



Of course like most plans conceived of hubris, TIM, doesn't count on Shepard actually succeeding, or refusing to turn over any tech found. Some of the choices may have been genuine, but I think most are just taking advantage of the situation/Shepard.

[David Falkayn]

Samurai_Wahoo wrote...

@ Arawn-Loki

You make some good points about Shep's leadership, but I find the optimism of Shep being able to handle the crew that has been hand picked would be far too unrealistic.  I can not believe that anyone could ever command that kind of respect from the biggest group of anti-social misfits that he was given.  I would rather have Cerebus agents/soldiers that understand formation, chain of command, and trained for military operations.

Oh well, still a great game.

Going with the "Dirty Dozen" theme mentioned earlier, Shep, like Rasmussen in the DD, has to earn the respect of the misfits he's put in command of by using a mixture of carrot and stick--sometimes kicking their butts, sometimes letting them blow of steam by settling old grudges and buying them booze and asari prostitutes , and sometimes by kicking the butts of the Alliance equivalent of Colonel Breed and his paratroopers.

Of the ME2 Dirty Dozen, I think Shep, like Rasmussen, would take them all and whip them into shape in short order.

Zaeed is a merc, but as long as he's being paid, he'll get the job done.  Although his loyalty mission is key to him: take the renegade option and he'll stick with Shep because Shep kept his/her end of the bargain and helped him take out Vido.  Take the Paragon option and it gets a bit trickier.  If you succeed in your charm/intimidate, then Zaeed isn' t a problem--he's either been shamed into getting the job done, or he's accepted the fact that Shep is the alpha dog.  Otherwise, Shepmussen (Shepard/Rasmussen) ditches Zaeed either with or without a bullet in the merc's head.  In some ways, Zaeed reminds me of Charles Bronson's character to whom Lee Marvin had one od the best lines in the entire DD movie when Wladislaw tells him that the private he shot was running away from the enemy. "You made one mistake--you let someone see you do it!"

As for Jack, she's definitely a loose cannon.  She's the equivalent to a fire and forget missile--point her at who you want to kill and let her do her thing--but never turn your back on her.

Miranda is the sort that her loyalty is hard to get, but once you get it, you've got it unless you do something stupid to lose it.  Useful, but keep both eyes on her until you get her loyalty and one eye on her afterwards.

Jacob is the Sergeant Bowren of the team.  Reliable and steadfast.  

Tali and Garrus are, of course, loyal without question--no problems there.

Samara--Regardless of whether I'm a RenShep or a ParShep, I know we won't have any problems until after the mission.  Afterwards, assuming we both survive, there might be issues--but those will wait until afterwards.

And now, I think I'm inspired to do up a male Shep soldier that looks and acts an awful lot like Lee Marvin's Rasmussen--talk about one bad mother you-know-what!

[mopotter]

janeym27 wrote...

Well, you have to pick 8 squaddies to trigger the game progression, and the only ones forced on you are Miranda, Jacob and Mordin, so you can afford to pick and choose to a certain extent.

My Shep would not have Miranada or Jacob on team, given the choice, because she hates Cerberus (sole-survivor) and can't trust them. Legion, Grunt, Thane and Samara are all A-OK (the first 2 weren't TIM's idea. The last 2 have their own strict code and agree to follow Shep, not TIM). Garrus and Tali are A GIVEN! Mordin, I like.

Jack... likley liability, yes. But she isn't there for Cerberus, she is there because Shep convinced her.

Basically, I'd have anyone who isn't on Cerberus' payroll (which is a shame, because I really like Kasumi. Maybe if money wasn't the motivation there...)

Oh, and Wrex. You gotta have Wrex.

I agree with this, except I don't mind Wrex being busy with his home world politics.    

[Samurai_Wahoo]

incinerator950 wrote...


Basically you don't like the group of super soldiers and crazies you were given to save the galaxy, so you want your old team back I take it?[i]

Sorry for the late response, but I was on a honeymoon for 6 days.

No, the old team was not the greatest and the majority would have been left behind.  I would like a team that has been in the field, been trained in the military, reliable, mentally stable, and professional.  I do not want a bunch mental cripples, thieves, killers, and hired guns.  Face it, the squad BW gave us was just to add fluff to the game, which, it did really well.  But, it was not the least bit realistic. 

If I wanted the best for the mission then give me people that have followed orders, understand formation, been trained for situations like this, and find the best of the best of the military.  Not some Japanese thief, merc, assassins, and a bat S### crazy biotic that hates Cerebus.... that junk does not make sense.

Still, colorful characters, not realistic, but a great game that I plan on logging many more hours with my new television.

[Samurai_Wahoo]

Sorry for the dp.

incinerator950 wrote...



Grunt - Tank bred Krogan filled with whatever Okeer wanted.  Sorry, no thanks.  Too many variables.  Why didn't TIM contact Wrex and arrange something.

Because if you paid attention, you were there for Okeer.  Plus, Wrex denied even Shepards offer, because the clans are destabilized and he needs to lead them.

Um, I never said give me Wrex.  I said arrange something... like give me a loyal Krogan, someone trust worthy with Wrex's recommendation.  I do not want to play the lottery on some manufactured Krogan that can rip a hole in the hull.

incinerator950 wrote...

Again, listen to what your squadmates actually talk about.  The Geth were seeking an alliance with Shepard to help fight the Heretic Geth and the Reapers. 

Ok, that is brilliant.  Why don't I just trust him and others, just like that?  Stop being silly.  In hindsight, it makes sense to keep him.  If I were to make the decision from the get go, then he becomes a lab rat.  Not worth the risk.  People can be misinformed and people/robots can lie for self preservation.... imagine that.

[Lucazius]

Most squadmates are ok for me, I just wish I could let Jack explode in the Purgatory and do the galaxy a favor, damn it. The first thing she does in my ship is to violate some data banks against my orders.



Grunt is ok... he's still chilling in that tank.

[lovgreno]

Now that you all mention it yes, Normandy is full of psychopaths and sociopaths! How the heck could I rely on them when things gets rough?

Bioware did not try to make the perfect and disciplined strike team though (wich would probably have been a rather boring story) but rather some interesting characters. Wich they did rather well.

But still... Shepard is rather alone in the world except for Joker, Chackwas, Tali and Garrus.

This is another proof that TIM is a idiot.