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[dr dANGER boy]

After admiring the work of Qwinn with his fixpack and other assorted fixes out there, I have decided to create a project to report, fix, and consolidate DAO bugs.  The mod community has done an excellent job addressing many of the quest-, dialogue-, and codex-related bugs that exist in the game.  However, it is not very organized and lacks a central place.  I propose this project as a place for previous bugfixers to submit their work and also where normal players can submit any bugs they find.

I have already created a basic area to report bugs seeing as how the Project pages are not oriented for bug reporting/tracking.  With help from the mod community, we can squash unintentional bugs as best we can.

Note: I am aiming to avoid "personal-preference" bugs.  Only bugs where there is sufficient evidence that it was not intentional would be fixed with this project.

Here is the URL for the Mantis-based bug tracking website.

http://daobugs.netai.net/mantis/

Please, if you have done work to fix bugs, let me know and we'll see if we can't get this project off the ground and out to the community!

Modifié par dr dANGER boy, 06 mai 2010 - 08:16 .

[Proleric]

This could be a very useful initiative.

The bug reporting approach looks good. How would the resulting patch differ from Quinn's? Is there a difference in scope, for example? Is it just OC bugs (as the OP might suggest) or also general bugs that affect standalone campaigns?

It would be helpful if the intro to the Mantis site asked folk to continue to raise toolset bugs on the wiki, as I'm sure you're not interested in that.

Hopefully, you've seen the recent forum discussion on compatibility.

If your intention is to produce a comprehensive patch, that could go a long way towards reducing compatibility issues arising from the multitude of fixes, which could become a "must have" add-in for many players.

For that very reason, I'm sure you'll appreciate that the authors of standalone campaigns and OC mods are "stakeholders". In other words, what you do here will probably impact us, perhaps in a big way. So, I'm sure we'll see a lively public discussion upfront, and that can only be healthy.

I wish you every success.

Modifié par Proleric1, 07 mai 2010 - 07:33 .

[ladydesire]

To be honest, I would rather see something like this on this site instead of a third party site; my preference would be for an official, publicly accessible bug tracking system. My main reason for saying this is that those people that play on the consoles deserve to have these fixes as well.

[Proleric]

Good point.

Maybe the community could keep the master bug list on the wiki?

Having said that, I recognise that Mantis offers a lot of functionality to the community bug fix team that would be a shame to lose, and the wiki list would involve duplication of effort.

So, perhaps a win-win would be to use Google Code, or something similar? That would be a free public site, which could have several authorised administrators, i.e. no single point of failure.

Perhaps Bioware would be willing to sticky a forum link to the bug reporting system, so that in a sense it would be on this site.

What do people think?

[dr dANGER boy]

I've been talking with Qwinn and getting his input on some of this as well as some of the other modders out there who have already done some fixes. They are already working together to get some of these fixes put into a single pack.



The purpose behind the Mantis system is to make it easier for people to report these bugs rather than on a forum and make it easier for the squashers to...well...squash them. It might be a very useful tool for the entire community to use. I'll continue talking with modders to see if they would like to utilize the system.

[ladydesire]

dr dANGER boy wrote...

I've been talking with Qwinn and getting his input on some of
this as well as some of the other modders out there who have
already done some fixes. They are already working together to
get some of these fixes put into a single pack.

Which is useless to at least 2/3 of the community. Another thing; where are you going to be posting this once it is ready, since DA Nexus specifically forbids posting content compilations.

The purpose behind the Mantis system is to make it easier for
people to report these bugs rather than on a forum and make
it easier for the squashers to...well...squash them. It might be
a very useful tool for the entire community to use. I'll continue
talking with modders to see if they would like to utilize the
system.

I would rather see Bioware put together a publicly accessible bug tracker so this could be done; the feedback such a move would give everyone would go a long way toward people seeing what Bioware is doing about fixing the bug in the game.

[dr dANGER boy]

Well, that's what they get for buying console versions. Not my problem and there's nothing we can do about it. The best we can do is fix some of these bugs for PC gamers. Yet another reason why PC gaming is far superior to console gaming ...but that discussion is beyond the scope of this thread.

If I can get collaboration from the various contributors to the fix that I have in mind, I can scrounge up some means of hosting the file for download such as Megaupload or Rapidshare. Heck, I could even make it a torrent and host it indefinitely without bandwidth worries.

As for a bug-tracking system with Bioware, I have no idea why they don't have one. They might be focusing more on serious engine bugs rather than worrying about quest- or dialogue-related bugs. It would be nice to see such a system as the one I have but that is beyond my power to do. If only...

Modifié par dr dANGER boy, 09 mai 2010 - 07:36 .

[Proleric]

I agree that a public bug tracking facility would be much better
 
If we rely on Bioware to do this, it might or might not happen (reasonably enough). So I approve of eliminating the uncertainty by doing it ourselves. I guess I'm just asking for a public tool, instead of Mantis.

Maybe the same applies to publishing mods, but that's a big subject, which is potentially emotive and off-topic. I suggest we have some private discussion about how a constructive public dialog could be established.

Modifié par Proleric1, 09 mai 2010 - 08:20 .

[dr dANGER boy]

I'm confused...what do you mean by "public tool, instead of Mantis"?

[Proleric]

Maybe I'm confused... does this implementation of Mantis allow the public to raise bugs? In my limited experience of the tool, you had to be an authorised user.

[ladydesire]

dr dANGER boy wrote...

The best we can do is fix some of these bugs for PC gamers.

And create yet another compatibility issue for those of us making companions for DA; we already have to tell players repeatedly that installing certain common dialog fixes will break our mods.

If I can get collaboration from the various contributors to the fix that I have in mind, I can scrounge up some means of
hosting the file for download such as Megaupload or Rapidshare. Heck, I could even make it a torrent and host it indefinitely without bandwidth worries.

Fair enough; I was thinking of doing something similar with my companion mod.

As for a bug-tracking system with Bioware, I have no idea why they don't have one. They might be focusing more on serious
engine bugs rather than worrying about quest- or dialogue-related bugs. It would be nice to see such a system as the one I have but that is beyond my power to do. If only...

I'd be surprised if they didn't have one they used internally; most software developers do. I'm not opposed to there being one made available, but I'd prefer that there was one that had what they were doing listed in it.