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[Galagraphia]

 You remember of course that templar woman who was so eager to capture Anders? I always thought that she acted like not very wise woman abandoned by a young lover. And then I've found this on wikia:

Velanna: You escaped your Circle, didn't you?
Anders: Several times. But they always found me using my phylactery. Not that I minded being caught much. They always assigned the same templar to track me down. Or perhaps she asked. I hope it's the latter. On those long trips back to the tower -- I in manacles, she glaring silently -- the air practically sizzled.
Velanna: You escaped your Circle, repeatedly, for a woman?
Anders: Well, not for her. But she made being caught more fun. That's me, always looking on the bright side.

Now I'm shocked. What do you think about it?

I thought male templars usually become victims of female mages charm, now I guess the opposite is also true 

Modifié par Galagraphia, 07 mai 2010 - 09:50 .

[sleepingbelow]

Oh Anders. You Magnificent Bastard, you.

[sylvanaerie]

I wouldn't put too much into what Anders says unless the continuity gods were sleeping for more than one exchange because he also has a dialogue something along the lines of if they had sent female templars after him he would be caught faster (or something along those lines). I found it cool they had a female templar in the game this time. I was starting to think along "Sten" lines with the Chantry> Female priests/male templars.



Makes me wonder what kind of games she likes to play with apostates though. Wynne even talks about some of the things templars do when they catch mages (Leaving the impression of all manner of abuses heaped on them before they kill them). Of course this could all be speculation/rumour but I can easily see some resentful templars doing horrible things like that.

[SurelyForth]

I actually believe that Rylock was assigned to him on a somewhat permanent basis, she definitely seemed unhealthily obsessed with catching him and stringing him up.

And Anders would subvert the templar/mage cliche. I would love to know some of the things he'd goad her with while she restrained him.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 06 mai 2010 - 08:09 .

[Xandurpein]

sylvanaerie wrote...

I wouldn't put too much into what Anders says unless the continuity gods were sleeping for more than one exchange because he also has a dialogue something along the lines of if they had sent female templars after him he would be caught faster (or something along those lines). I found it cool they had a female templar in the game this time. I was starting to think along "Sten" lines with the Chantry> Female priests/male templars.

I agree. Anders would say things like he has a female templar chasing him, because she finds him irresistible just for jokes, without a shred of truth in it.

[Willowhugger]

I think that there could definitely be some truth to the idea she was his former lover. Of course, the implications are also that Anders' former elven lover was tortured by the Templars into leading him into a trap.



So it's not a relationship that ended well.

[Galagraphia]

Xandurpein wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

I wouldn't put too much into what Anders says unless the continuity gods were sleeping for more than one exchange because he also has a dialogue something along the lines of if they had sent female templars after him he would be caught faster (or something along those lines). I found it cool they had a female templar in the game this time. I was starting to think along "Sten" lines with the Chantry> Female priests/male templars.

I agree. Anders would say things like he has a female templar chasing him, because she finds him irresistible just for jokes, without a shred of truth in it.

But Rylock does sound jealous when you meet her in that warehouse! She sounds like: 'Give me my mage back! I miss him and I want to punish him for being a bad boy! What?! You refuse? How dare you! He's mine! Die all of you!' 
I think she was obsessed about him. Though I'm not sure if it was some kind of unhealthy love or he was just her favourite toy and she was pissed off because it was taken away from her and that funny running-chasing game was over.

[Willowhugger]

I think she feels guilt about whatever they had and thinks Anders murdered those Templars.



So she finally lost it.

[Lintanis]

Templars do have a tyrannical attitude towards Mages, if there not being observed or under lock and key, bad things will happen . Got to love Religious brainwashing :happy:

[sylvanaerie]

Galagraphia wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

I wouldn't put too much into what Anders says unless the continuity gods were sleeping for more than one exchange because he also has a dialogue something along the lines of if they had sent female templars after him he would be caught faster (or something along those lines). I found it cool they had a female templar in the game this time. I was starting to think along "Sten" lines with the Chantry> Female priests/male templars.

I agree. Anders would say things like he has a female templar chasing him, because she finds him irresistible just for jokes, without a shred of truth in it.

But Rylock does sound jealous when you meet her in that warehouse! She sounds like: 'Give me my mage back! I miss him and I want to punish him for being a bad boy! What?! You refuse? How dare you! He's mine! Die all of you!' 
I think she was obsessed about him. Though I'm not sure if it was some kind of unhealthy love or he was just her favourite toy and she was pissed off because it was taken away from her and that funny running-chasing game was over.

I think ya'll are reading way too much into the situation.  I think she was just a religious whackjob and she looked upon Anders as a menace, not a lover.  He's a c ocky little fella and I think half of what he says is BS or just plain snark.  There could be a kernal of truth here but I doubt she would have been sent by her superiors if they saw some kind of obsession along the lines of "Lust/kill" starting there.  Gregoir seems a lot smarter than that.

I always thought he knew Cullen was crushing on the PC (rumours were a'flyin through the tower about it) and assigned the boy to strike to blow to either cure him of it or break him from doing more about it.  Kinda driving home their roles as the Chantry's sword arm.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 07 mai 2010 - 10:05 .

[Galagraphia]

sylvanaerie wrote...

I think ya'll are reading way too much into the situation.  I think she was just a religious whackjob and she looked upon Anders as a menace, not a lover.  He's a c ocky little fella and I think half of what he says is BS or just plain snark.  There could be a kernal of truth here but I doubt she would have been sent by her superiors if they saw some kind of obsession along the lines of "Lust/kill" starting there.  Gregoir seems a lot smarter than that.

I always thought he knew Cullen was crushing on the PC (rumours were a'flyin through the tower about it) and assigned the boy to strike to blow to either cure him of it or break him from doing more about it.  Kinda driving home their roles as the Chantry's sword arm.

Maybe it was both her piety and passion for Anders? I'm not saying they were lovers. But I think there was something, because there's no smoke without a fire. We know for sure that it always was Rylock who chased Anders (like Tom and Jerry ). And she refused to stop when we recruited him. I don't believe what she said about Chantry authority above king's orders. Gregoir let PC mage go with Duncan, so he respected the Right of Conscription. That means that what she did was on her own initiative. Like if Anders offended her by escaping and she wanted revenge.
BTW Cullen volunteered to kill PC mage. He said he hoped to make it less painfull or so. Templars have strange understanding of love

[Miri1984]

If I was a Templar I'd go Anders. Then again, if I was a rock I'd go Anders.

Raowr.

[sylvanaerie]

Galagraphia wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

I think ya'll are reading way too much into the situation.  I think she was just a religious whackjob and she looked upon Anders as a menace, not a lover.  He's a c ocky little fella and I think half of what he says is BS or just plain snark.  There could be a kernal of truth here but I doubt she would have been sent by her superiors if they saw some kind of obsession along the lines of "Lust/kill" starting there.  Gregoir seems a lot smarter than that.

I always thought he knew Cullen was crushing on the PC (rumours were a'flyin through the tower about it) and assigned the boy to strike to blow to either cure him of it or break him from doing more about it.  Kinda driving home their roles as the Chantry's sword arm.

Maybe it was both her piety and passion for Anders? I'm not saying they were lovers. But I think there was something, because there's no smoke without a fire. We know for sure that it always was Rylock who chased Anders (like Tom and Jerry ). And she refused to stop when we recruited him. I don't believe what she said about Chantry authority above king's orders. Gregoir let PC mage go with Duncan, so he respected the Right of Conscription. That means that what she did was on her own initiative. Like if Anders offended her by escaping and she wanted revenge.
BTW Cullen volunteered to kill PC mage. He said he hoped to make it less painfull or so. Templars have strange understanding of love

They certainly do.  Not saying there isn't a nugget of truth to Anders claim but he strikes me as one of those c ocky kind of guys who loves to toot his own horn and try to seem a lot more worldly/ladykiller than he really is.  Half the time I don't know if its Anders snark or truth speaking when he talks.  hehe I like him though.  He's my second favorite companion after Nate from Awakenings. 

 I assumed Gregoir assigned Cullen to the task because of the rumours.  I never found any dialogue where Cullen says he volunteered for the job.  To the contrary he seemed quite a bit embarrassed to admit it to the PC. He says to her "Its nothing personal just duty".  He does admit he would have taken no pleasure in it but he serves the Maker and the Chantry and will do as he is told.  On a male mage he elaborates and says he doesn't know what an abomination looks like "surely they would have given him some kind of signal".  It gives hints of his paranoia's roots in that he then muses "what if there are abominations among us even now?"

[SurelyForth]

sylvanaerie wrote...
They certainly do.  Not saying there isn't a nugget of truth to Anders claim but he strikes me as one of those c ocky kind of guys who loves to toot his own horn and try to seem a lot more worldly/ladykiller than he really is.  Half the time I don't know if its Anders snark or truth speaking when he talks.  hehe I like him though.  He's my second favorite companion after Nate from Awakenings. 

This. I think the truth is she was assigned to him on a regular basis because she was successful and single-minded about catching him. When he escaped, he became her job and she was apparently quite good at it. From his end, she was the face of his frustrations and he probably despised her with every ounce of his being. However, because he's Anders, he's not going to go there in banter and will, instead, play the unresolved sexual tension card.

Anders is pretty straightforward with the Warden, I think, but he deflects as much as Alistair with the other companions.

I still like to think he probably provoked Rylock with some choice suggestions when she would catch him, because that definitely seems like it would be a coping mechanism he'd use. 

Modifié par SurelyForth, 07 mai 2010 - 12:27 .

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

I always thought rylock as obsessive and willing to blame anders for anything like the templars the darkspawn killed or did they!? What ever the truth i have a hard time seeing rylock and anders together besides shessss so ugly and her eyes are golf ball size i love killing her i hate stuck up religous nuts real life or game.

[sylvanaerie]

heheh yea My dream team for adventuring would be Alistair/Anders/Shale (or Zevran instead of Shale even) Could you imagine the snark overload?

[SurelyForth]

sylvanaerie wrote...

heheh yea My dream team for adventuring would be Alistair/Anders/Shale (or Zevran instead of Shale even) Could you imagine the snark overload?

I approve of this!

And there is no such thing as snark overload in my book, but Alistair might become stuck in a state of perpetual blush.

[sylvanaerie]

SurelyForth wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

heheh yea My dream team for adventuring would be Alistair/Anders/Shale (or Zevran instead of Shale even) Could you imagine the snark overload?

I approve of this!

And there is no such thing as snark overload in my book, but Alistair might become stuck in a state of perpetual blush.

hehe that would be okay he's so cute when he blushes!

[Emerald Melios]

I got the impression Rylock was a stalker with a crush.

[SnakeStrike8]

Odd that you don't see many grunt level female Templars.

Or none at all, actually. Except for the commander whom you meet at the beginning of Awakening (her name escapes me at present).

Leads me to think that most Templars are male... and Anders is just indulging in wishful thinking. That, or he's trying to put the moves of Velanna by implying, falsely, that female templars swoon over him.

"Have I ever told you that I find most humans physically and morally repulsive?!"

[SurelyForth]

There's a very pretty female templar in the Amaranthine Chantry. Her name is Rylien, I think.

[Autodoll]

Personally, I always got the impression that Rylock was really just a templar who was very well-trusted by the Chantry to get the job done, so to speak, and that her failure with Anders (especially since she arrived too late to stop what was suspected to be murder) ruined her "track record." I thought that the [spoiler] attack staged in Amaranthine City was to clean her record, to prove it to herself more than anything else. Just my individual speculation on the character.

[Sabariel]

Rylock always struck me as religious whackjob who got pissed off that Anders "escapes justice" when the Warden conscripts him.

[Xandurpein]

I take anything Anders say with a large grain of salt, especially anything concerning the templars.



I think Rylock was just a standard fanatic, unable to let go. Anders had escaped more than once and she was out to stop him once and for all.