Just throwing this out there but my stats on my Human Rouge Archer are Str: 15 Dex:45 Will:20 Cunn:36 and i am a Bard with Song of Courage and i am wondering if myy stats are messed up and right now i am putting all my stats into cunning? Also i have Lethality?
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Posté 02 juin 2010 - 07:56
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You may need a higher STR for the best Light armors and shields; maybe 20+?
I do not like high Cunning builds myself, as using STR instead difuses the need for Lethality and saves those talent spots for other choices.
I do not like high Cunning builds myself, as using STR instead difuses the need for Lethality and saves those talent spots for other choices.
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Posté 02 juin 2010 - 08:04
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high cunning is mainly good with Song of Courage i hit constant 48 47 50 and lot of 60s also and everynow and then a 70
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Posté 02 juin 2010 - 08:04
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but if i should go all out dex what specializations are best and what level cunning do i need? also does dex make me miss less and if so what level dex would be good enough to make me never miss?
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Posté 02 juin 2010 - 10:52
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My dex archer rocks, barely misses ever, hardly gets hit, awesome damage with Farsong Bow. Assassin Duelist (Origins) Assassin Bard Legion (Awakenings).
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Posté 02 juin 2010 - 11:07
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I've tried both rogues & warriors and I must say I'd go with warriors all the time.
My warrior archer build was almost invincible by mid way through awakening, although some battles at the begining of Dragon Age Origin were almost impossible.
Spend enough points on dex to get all the talents then boost most of your stats in to strength. It's good to spend some points in to cunning to get decent armor penetration as well, although in Awakening as a Spirit warrior enemy's armor is not a factor.
My Build below.
My warrior archer build was almost invincible by mid way through awakening, although some battles at the begining of Dragon Age Origin were almost impossible.
Spend enough points on dex to get all the talents then boost most of your stats in to strength. It's good to spend some points in to cunning to get decent armor penetration as well, although in Awakening as a Spirit warrior enemy's armor is not a factor.
My Build below.
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Posté 02 juin 2010 - 06:30
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warriors give a bad fatigue and you are also able to have a higher cunning and dex and dont have to put anything on str when you get Lethality which i knotice helps me imtimidate better. Since everyone says that Str : 50% of Bow Damage & Dex: 50% of Bow Damage. But Lethality would switch it to Dex and Cunning. So i am going to try to make them even but since i am Bard cunning is needed dearly but i dont think cunning and bard helps arow of slaying at all so i might make a new character and i really dont want to
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Posté 02 juin 2010 - 07:49
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Spend enough points on dex to get all the talents then boost most of your stats in to strength. It's good to spend some points in to cunning to get decent armor penetration as well, although in Awakening as a Spirit warrior enemy's armor is not a factor.
Given how the Accuracy sustain works, I find putting points in anything other than dexterity a strange choice. Even in Origins, raising strength past 30 or 40 is kinda odd.
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Posté 02 juin 2010 - 09:24
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Here is what I did for my solo nightmare archer.
Race: Human
class: Rogue
Specs: Duelist(3 points use for Dueling) Assassin(1 point for Mark of Death)
Stats:
Strength 16+Fade=20
Magic Base+Fade
Willpower Base+Fade
Cunning 17+fade=22
Dexterity Max
Gear: For DA:O
Helm of Honnleath
Felon's Coat
Spellward
Key to the City
Harvest Festival Ring
Wade's Superior Drakeskin Boots
Repeater's Gloves or Red Jenny's Gloves (Repeater is probably better in Origins while Red Jenny is in Awakening, so I would hold onto them)
Far Song
Andriul's Blessing
Basically at around level 12 when you get rank 4 stealth and about 45-50 base dex with Defensive Fire you become unkillable to just about anything (mages/wraiths/shades/dragons/drakes are the hardest to fight against I don't use traps or any gadgets though), 130 Defense you are unhittable to whites 160 I think you are to yellow/orange(not bosses). This build transitions well to DA:OA due to Accuracy loving your dex stat, but really all classes are stupid overpowered in Awakening.
Most used skills in DA:O would of been Stealth, Scattershot, Dirty Fighting, Shattering Shot, Critical Shot, Arrow of Slaying(for mages exclusivly pretty much) for Awakening just leave Accuracy on, do Scattershot+Rain of Arrows+Burst Shot everything should be dead. Use Stealth has much as possible free crit every 10 seconds is nice coupled with Critical Shot before or after your Stealth crit is basically an Arrow of Slaying on a 13 second cool down if you count load times.
If you are making an Archer and you're going to be using a party a heavy cunning build would be best.
Same gear/stats above, BUT Red Jenny's Gloves are always the best option, and instead of max dex you get 30 dex for the talents all the rest into Cunning.
Specs: Bard(3 points for Song of Courage use that all the time!) Duelist(For Dueling 3 points again)
Use Aim and auto attack, Stealth every 10 seconds for crits also mesh your scattershots for cc, but the bulk of your damage is from auto shot criticals and after you have got like 15 levels and a few pieces of quality gear(red jenny's gloves/far song) you crit hard and crit often. Though this build becomes kind of bad in Awakening since Accuracy is so overpowered and uses dex for stats.
Warrior Archer is neat, but I think Stealth alone is much better than anything a Warrior can give you though spell immunity is nice but will hurt you since you have to use a massive chestpiece to achieve it. War Cry is cash, but Stealth is much better than it. Spirit Warrior+Vulnerbility Hex with some Spirit damage gear can do some ridiculous aoe damage in Awakening, but everything is ridiculous in Awakening, but Legion Scout is = if not > than to Spirit Warrior spec IMO.
Race doesn't matter play with what you want to play with, but if you are a min/maxer go Human and look @ this guide http://dragonage.wik...icient_Approach
Archers take a while to get going, but once you get Stealth(4) and some key pieces of gear they are very very fun to play. To sum it up; Dex Archer=Solo/Awakening Archer Cunning Archer=Party/Buff Archer/Max Damage Archer, but in Awakening the only thing it has over a Dex build would be Song of Courage, so for Awakening I'd strongly suggest going Dex it is better on much more levels than a Cunning build. Warrior Archer=A lot of utility and some neat goodies(spell immunity/war cry/2h spec/deathblow), can do some ridiculous damage in Awakening if you got a mage around to cast vulnerbility hex.
Hope this helps! http://dragonage.wik...cient_Approach <----- Look at that if it doesn't that is where I learned how to play an archer was well worth the read because so far it has been my favorite PC
Race: Human
class: Rogue
Specs: Duelist(3 points use for Dueling) Assassin(1 point for Mark of Death)
Stats:
Strength 16+Fade=20
Magic Base+Fade
Willpower Base+Fade
Cunning 17+fade=22
Dexterity Max
Gear: For DA:O
Helm of Honnleath
Felon's Coat
Spellward
Key to the City
Harvest Festival Ring
Wade's Superior Drakeskin Boots
Repeater's Gloves or Red Jenny's Gloves (Repeater is probably better in Origins while Red Jenny is in Awakening, so I would hold onto them)
Far Song
Andriul's Blessing
Basically at around level 12 when you get rank 4 stealth and about 45-50 base dex with Defensive Fire you become unkillable to just about anything (mages/wraiths/shades/dragons/drakes are the hardest to fight against I don't use traps or any gadgets though), 130 Defense you are unhittable to whites 160 I think you are to yellow/orange(not bosses). This build transitions well to DA:OA due to Accuracy loving your dex stat, but really all classes are stupid overpowered in Awakening.
Most used skills in DA:O would of been Stealth, Scattershot, Dirty Fighting, Shattering Shot, Critical Shot, Arrow of Slaying(for mages exclusivly pretty much) for Awakening just leave Accuracy on, do Scattershot+Rain of Arrows+Burst Shot everything should be dead. Use Stealth has much as possible free crit every 10 seconds is nice coupled with Critical Shot before or after your Stealth crit is basically an Arrow of Slaying on a 13 second cool down if you count load times.
If you are making an Archer and you're going to be using a party a heavy cunning build would be best.
Same gear/stats above, BUT Red Jenny's Gloves are always the best option, and instead of max dex you get 30 dex for the talents all the rest into Cunning.
Specs: Bard(3 points for Song of Courage use that all the time!) Duelist(For Dueling 3 points again)
Use Aim and auto attack, Stealth every 10 seconds for crits also mesh your scattershots for cc, but the bulk of your damage is from auto shot criticals and after you have got like 15 levels and a few pieces of quality gear(red jenny's gloves/far song) you crit hard and crit often. Though this build becomes kind of bad in Awakening since Accuracy is so overpowered and uses dex for stats.
Warrior Archer is neat, but I think Stealth alone is much better than anything a Warrior can give you though spell immunity is nice but will hurt you since you have to use a massive chestpiece to achieve it. War Cry is cash, but Stealth is much better than it. Spirit Warrior+Vulnerbility Hex with some Spirit damage gear can do some ridiculous aoe damage in Awakening, but everything is ridiculous in Awakening, but Legion Scout is = if not > than to Spirit Warrior spec IMO.
Race doesn't matter play with what you want to play with, but if you are a min/maxer go Human and look @ this guide http://dragonage.wik...icient_Approach
Archers take a while to get going, but once you get Stealth(4) and some key pieces of gear they are very very fun to play. To sum it up; Dex Archer=Solo/Awakening Archer Cunning Archer=Party/Buff Archer/Max Damage Archer, but in Awakening the only thing it has over a Dex build would be Song of Courage, so for Awakening I'd strongly suggest going Dex it is better on much more levels than a Cunning build. Warrior Archer=A lot of utility and some neat goodies(spell immunity/war cry/2h spec/deathblow), can do some ridiculous damage in Awakening if you got a mage around to cast vulnerbility hex.
Hope this helps! http://dragonage.wik...cient_Approach <----- Look at that if it doesn't that is where I learned how to play an archer was well worth the read because so far it has been my favorite PC
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 02:42
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soteria wrote...
Given how the Accuracy sustain works, I find putting points in anything other than dexterity a strange choice. Even in Origins, raising strength past 30 or 40 is kinda odd.Spend enough points on dex to get all the talents then boost most of your stats in to strength. It's good to spend some points in to cunning to get decent armor penetration as well, although in Awakening as a Spirit warrior enemy's armor is not a factor.
Storm chaser armor gives you plenty of dex boost in Awakening. As for strength boosting equipment in Awakening that does it decently are massive armors that will give archers a speed penalty even with Master Archer Passive talent. So boosting strength is better as you recieve both damage & physical resistence and you can bolster the dex benefits with equipment (Storm Chaser Armor Set) in Awakening.
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 04:03
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Seriously you just need dex. With Accuracy talent in awakenings, you'll do obscene damage, and you'll hardly get touched, even in light armor.
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 09:18
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woofyhugger wrote...
Seriously you just need dex. With Accuracy talent in awakenings, you'll do obscene damage, and you'll hardly get touched, even in light armor.
Yeah against melee maybe, but with one fireball from a mage & you'd be on the floor knocked cold for melee opponents to get at you.
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 11:26
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Storm chaser armor gives you plenty of dex boost in Awakening. As for strength boosting equipment in Awakening that does it decently are massive armors that will give archers a speed penalty even with Master Archer Passive talent. So boosting strength is better as you recieve both damage & physical resistence and you can bolster the dex benefits with equipment (Storm Chaser Armor Set) in Awakening.
Dexterity also grants physical resistance, at the same rate as strength. Is that your only reason? Dexterity gives an archer attack, defense, damage, physical resist, and chance to crit, while strength gives damage and physical resist. It seems pretty clear which one is better, doesn't it? My warrior archer with mostly just dex was virtually immune to anything with a physical check, and could almost one-shot entire crowds with just scattershot.
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 02:22
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soteria wrote...
Storm chaser armor gives you plenty of dex boost in Awakening. As for strength boosting equipment in Awakening that does it decently are massive armors that will give archers a speed penalty even with Master Archer Passive talent. So boosting strength is better as you recieve both damage & physical resistence and you can bolster the dex benefits with equipment (Storm Chaser Armor Set) in Awakening.
Dexterity also grants physical resistance, at the same rate as strength. Is that your only reason? Dexterity gives an archer attack, defense, damage, physical resist, and chance to crit, while strength gives damage and physical resist. It seems pretty clear which one is better, doesn't it? My warrior archer with mostly just dex was virtually immune to anything with a physical check, and could almost one-shot entire crowds with just scattershot.
Well, I could do that with massacre too. And I'm pretty sure this requires strength as a prerequiste. Dex only gives 50% the rate as strength & cons to physical resistence & crit chance doesn't really matter when you do spirit damage.
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 03:21
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Strength, dex,and con all give .5 physical resist per point, and my (almost) pure dex archer warrior has about the same physical resist as yours... and are you saying spirit warriors don't get crits? I've never paid much attention, but I think they do. Specials certainly crit when they're supposed to.
Massacre is melee range--either burst shot or scattershot will pretty much kill anything at maximum range, and what survives won't recover from the stun. The difficulty is in finding a target that will live long enough to get a special off, what with Nathaniel killing everything so fast. Besides, to go from Second Wind (good) to Massacre (decent), you sacrificed 20 points of damage, 20 attack, 20 defense, and 10% crit chance. Yay?
Even if you were right about physical resist--and you're not--do you seriously think .25 physical resist extra or whatever you think it is beats 1 point of damage?
Massacre is melee range--either burst shot or scattershot will pretty much kill anything at maximum range, and what survives won't recover from the stun. The difficulty is in finding a target that will live long enough to get a special off, what with Nathaniel killing everything so fast. Besides, to go from Second Wind (good) to Massacre (decent), you sacrificed 20 points of damage, 20 attack, 20 defense, and 10% crit chance. Yay?
Even if you were right about physical resist--and you're not--do you seriously think .25 physical resist extra or whatever you think it is beats 1 point of damage?
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Mages I either CC,Arrow of Slaying them or juke their spells with Stealth/LOS. Mages are quite easy to beat the hardest encounters are Drakes/Wraiths/Animals I don't use traps/nades either, so they are tough fights for me anyways. As a warrior archer a mage should be the last thing you worry about just get KC plate+spellward and templar spec with some dweomer runes and you will never die to 1 mage let alone 10.
As for strength only time I would use it over dex on any archer build would be if i was a 2H hybrid archer then I would just mass Strength other than that even for a warrior I don't see much sense in going over 34-38 strength
As for strength only time I would use it over dex on any archer build would be if i was a 2H hybrid archer then I would just mass Strength other than that even for a warrior I don't see much sense in going over 34-38 strength
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 09:20
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soteria wrote...
Strength, dex,and con all give .5 physical resist per point, and my (almost) pure dex archer warrior has about the same physical resist as yours... and are you saying spirit warriors don't get crits? I've never paid much attention, but I think they do. Specials certainly crit when they're supposed to.
Massacre is melee range--either burst shot or scattershot will pretty much kill anything at maximum range, and what survives won't recover from the stun. The difficulty is in finding a target that will live long enough to get a special off, what with Nathaniel killing everything so fast. Besides, to go from Second Wind (good) to Massacre (decent), you sacrificed 20 points of damage, 20 attack, 20 defense, and 10% crit chance. Yay?
Even if you were right about physical resist--and you're not--do you seriously think .25 physical resist extra or whatever you think it is beats 1 point of damage?
Well, Griveous insult + Massacre is a lot more useful when enemies only spawn at melee range & will overpower you before you get your scattershot off. Massacre has one advantage over any archery talent. Speed in cast time.
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 09:52
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So what, you added 20-30 extra strength to your warrior just so you could kill shadow wolves a little faster in that one part of the game? Warcry + Superiority or Holy Smite gives enough time to get off any specials you need--or, any of your other party members could use any of a number of abilities to counter the overwhelm.
Massacre is useful for the shadow wolves, I agree, but it's not worth giving up 20+ damage and 10% crit per shot just for that one small part of the game. Stop looking for alternative justifications to cover up the fact that you didn't really know how much better dexterity was.
Massacre is useful for the shadow wolves, I agree, but it's not worth giving up 20+ damage and 10% crit per shot just for that one small part of the game. Stop looking for alternative justifications to cover up the fact that you didn't really know how much better dexterity was.
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 11:20
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Just confirmed in-game that you can indeed crit with beyond the veil active, so I'm puzzled as to why "crit chance doesn't really matter when you do spirit damage." My level 34 warrior archer with 103 dex has 110 physical resist, ~145 defense, 190 damage, and 50% crit rate, and that's using Evon's and Diligence because he was tanking. Obviously it would have been even higher with gear oriented toward damage, like yours.
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Posté 03 juin 2010 - 11:56
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jsachun wrote...
woofyhugger wrote...
Seriously you just need dex. With Accuracy talent in awakenings, you'll do obscene damage, and you'll hardly get touched, even in light armor.
Yeah against melee maybe, but with one fireball from a mage & you'd be on the floor knocked cold for melee opponents to get at you.
With the amount of damage I do, a mage is the least of my worries.
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Posté 04 juin 2010 - 02:01
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So what, you added 20-30 extra strength to your warrior just so you could kill shadow wolves a little faster in that one part of the game? Warcry + Superiority or Holy Smite gives enough time to get off any specials you need--or, any of your other party members could use any of a number of abilities to counter the overwhelm.
Massacre is useful for the shadow wolves, I agree, but it's not worth giving up 20+ damage and 10% crit per shot just for that one small part of the game. Stop looking for alternative justifications to cover up the fact that you didn't really know how much better dexterity was.
For myself, it was adding STR for heavy armor to avoid dying with Overwhelms, Grabs, etc when snared rather than having to rescue them immediatly, as these are tactics seen early and often in the game. I found the investment in STR and peace of mind to be worth the cost of some min/max ideal.
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Posté 04 juin 2010 - 03:36
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For myself, it was adding STR for heavy armor to avoid dying with Overwhelms, Grabs, etc when snared rather than having to rescue them immediatly, as these are tactics seen early and often in the game. I found the investment in STR and peace of mind to be worth the cost of some min/max ideal.
I only invested in STR to wear Felons Coat and I never had issues dying when grabbed. You don't need heavy armor.
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Posté 04 juin 2010 - 09:06
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For myself, it was adding STR for heavy armor to avoid dying with Overwhelms, Grabs, etc when snared rather than having to rescue them immediatly, as these are tactics seen early and often in the game. I found the investment in STR and peace of mind to be worth the cost of some min/max ideal.
Yes, but you don't need 70 strength to wear heavy armor--strength in the mid-30s is plenty.
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Posté 04 juin 2010 - 09:30
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Actually funny thing is in my game Strength actually adds more damage to bows than dex does. How strange. I do believe wikia is wrong sometimes. Here is an example. You gain no benefit as an archer having a shield with 20 + attributes unless you intend to do battle with shields, yet it claims it does. How odd.
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Posté 04 juin 2010 - 10:46
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Who mentioned the wiki? I don't recall having referred to it. It's trivial to prove dexterity and strength give the same damage and physical resistance bonus to an archer with a respec: Put 100/50 points in str/dex, and equip a bow. Check your damage. Now, put 50/100 points in str/dex. Your physical resistance and listed damage will be the same. The damage difference comes activating the Accuracy sustain, where it really becomes no contest.
Here, I matched up all the relevant buffs, even though using precise striking is a net loss at such a high attack rating.
Here, I matched up all the relevant buffs, even though using precise striking is a net loss at such a high attack rating.
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