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[Acemath]

Yeah yeah i know...

I already see the answers(STFU noob) in this thread(hmm,who says someone takes the time to answer )but anyway,here it goes.

Allthough i haven't played both ME's untill now,but being a member of the social site,i noticed somethings in the threads who pop up regularly.

Being almost 40years old i have experienced the upcoming and the rise of computers and gaming in general.What i have noticed is that we all are starting to act like spoiled little brats when a game goes retail.People are starting to complain about almost everything as soon as they notice the game doesn't live up to their expectations.I've been following DA:O from the beginning for example and i vaguely remember the storms of protest when people started to realise the chars in the Sacred Ashes trailer look different ingame.We do know already that trailers NEVER look like the game itself,but still people were complaining about that part.This is one small example but you know what my point is.

I see the same behaviour now at the ME forums.People are complaining about little things(Hide Helmet toggle,Armor,weapons who use projectiles(in the year 2185...Etc).

Are we really that spoiled?Or are we just that easily annoyed with bugs?Don't we expect too much from gamedevs today?I was part of the AoC betatest and early start;and even now People still haven't recovered from it.Okay it was bad and it had MAJOR flaws but not enough to put me away from it.

So,how many people DO enjoy the game despite the bugs and flaws...
And what's with the ME3 threads already?

[GothamLord]

As a society.. Yes, we are all a bunch of spoiled brats. With todays technology and instant gratification state of mind people are quick to whine about generally anything that doesnt suit what they want or doesnt live up to a given line of expectations that they or someone else has set.



Personally I dont care if there are a few graphical bugs. Story is the most important thing to me and it always will be. However there is a limit as well. When its obvious the game has been rushed out the door and the bugs and flaws are glaring issues it can end up distracting even with a great story.



As for ME3... Its speculation and setting of the expectations so people can **** about it later.

[piemanz]

I'm guessing more people enjoyed the game than didn't,you have to
remember that some people tend to only post in a forum if they have
something to whine about and these people tend to also be very vocal,so
you're going to see a large number of negative posts.Most poeple play
the game,enjoy it ,and dont feel the need to come on the forums and pick
over every minute aspect of it.

Personelly i loved both ME1 and
ME2 ,both games have flaws but i dont let little things ruin it for me.I
think some people have trouble realising that this is a game and not an
alternate life.

Modifié par piemanz, 07 mai 2010 - 01:56 .

[piemanz]

double post

Modifié par piemanz, 07 mai 2010 - 01:56 .

[Icinix]

Rather than companies making good specific games, then worrying about profit's afterwards. They now worry about profits first by making the game appeal to the broadest possible market at the expense of specialisation. I'm not targeting any particular game, but companies in general. UbiSoft is more worried about DRM than customers. Activision / Blizzard is more worried about money. EA is more worried about being number 1 and recognised as the premier games distributor.

The only thing customers want is the games themselves to come first. That hasn't been happening for a while now.

So we yell and hate because we love them and want them to end this phase they're in.



Well it's just my thoughts, don't go spreading it around or anything.

[Tlazolteotl]

People like the games. Otherwise they wouldn't be on the forums.
They also like to ****.
Because they're humans, and yammer yammer yammer is how humans are.

Herd animals. Every animal makes noises, and the noises humans make is to be demanding.
Doesn't matter if it's only a minority that does so, the demands are the ones that are loud.

[Dick Delaware]

I think the more likely scenario is that considering how popular the Internet is, it's given people a platform to b*tch and moan about games that they don't like on sites dedicated to that very same game. Forever.

[AntiChri5]

A lot of the complaints are fully justified, the removal if helmet toggle after the devs boasted about how much time and money was spent on getting the eyes right.....

But yes alot are rampant ****ing.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I still consider the first ME game to be my favorite game despite being a trainwreck technically. However I saw almost all of the problems fixed in ME 2 thus I kind of am an officer in the ME 2 defense force because I find it kind of insulting to rag on such a polished product



Also some of the complaints I agree with considering armor customization and whatnot. But the rest I do not.

[Zinoviy]

Dick Delaware wrote...

I think the more likely scenario is that considering how popular the Internet is, it's given people a platform to b*tch and moan about games that they don't like on sites dedicated to that very same game. Forever.

Bingo, yet again, Mr. Delaware.

[Sailears]

piemanz wrote...
Personelly i loved both ME1 and
ME2 ,both games have flaws but i dont let little things ruin it for me.I
think some people have trouble realising that this is a game and not an
alternate life.

Amen.

[Darth Drago]

In my defense:
When I see or hear things in the game that stick out like a sore thumb that makes no sense, poorly edited content, tech problems (Conrad, Samara vs. Morinth sound glitch), graphical issues (no air hose on Sheppard’s helmet, certain people in the game don’t move their mouths when talking) or just bad plot holes most of them noticed on my first play through of the game. Then something isn’t right with that game. Its these things that ruin the sense of immersion into the game world.

I don’t know, maybe I pay more attention to what’s on the screen in the game than most people. Its like noticing something in a movie that’s out of place, like when someone just gets out of some water and in the next cut view of him he’s totally dry and if it’s a woman her hair is perfect again.

With game prices as high as they are I do expect some standard of quality especially from a game company I respect and buy games from. To me, ME2 just felt rushed out the door and unpolished or even playtested. With all the drastic changes that were made between ME1 and ME2 it doesn’t even feel like a sequel but a reboot.

ME2 is still a good game and one I do play despite its issues, but its not as good as it should have been.

[Acemath]

Darth Drago wrote...


In my defense:
When I see or hear things in the game that stick out like a sore thumb that makes no sense, poorly edited content, tech problems (Conrad, Samara vs. Morinth sound glitch), graphical issues (no air hose on Sheppard’s helmet, certain people in the game don’t move their mouths when talking) or just bad plot holes most of them noticed on my first play through of the game. Then something isn’t right with that game. Its these things that ruin the sense of immersion into the game world.

I don’t know, maybe I pay more attention to what’s on the screen in the game than most people. Its like noticing something in a movie that’s out of place, like when someone just gets out of some water and in the next cut view of him he’s totally dry and if it’s a woman her hair is perfect again.

With game prices as high as they are I do expect some standard of quality especially from a game company I respect and buy games from. To me, ME2 just felt rushed out the door and unpolished or even playtested. With all the drastic changes that were made between ME1 and ME2 it doesn’t even feel like a sequel but a reboot.

ME2 is still a good game and one I do play despite its issues, but its not as good as it should have been.

Like i said,i haven't played the game yet.But if the "flaws" you mention are real,then i can understand the people who are complaining about these things.But atleast you do it in a constructive way,in such a way i can respect you and your opinion.Most people on the other hand do this:"moan moan,**** ****"only to tell their friends:Oh yeah i also complained in that particular forum"

Thanks to the people who did answer here in a mature way.Been wondering how the reactions would be if i would ask the same thing on the Wow forums

[Darth Drago]

Acemath wrote...

Like i said,i haven't played the game yet.But if the "flaws" you mention are real,then i can understand the people who are complaining about these things.But atleast you do it in a constructive way,in such a way i can respect you and your opinion.Most people on the other hand do this:"moan moan,**** ****"only to tell their friends:Oh yeah i also complained in that particular forum"

Thanks to the people who did answer here in a mature way.Been wondering how the reactions would be if i would ask the same thing on the Wow forums

On the World of Warcraft forums you would already be on page 14 with 10 of those pages full of trolling comments. Lol!

It will be interesting to hear what you think of ME2 once you do play it.

Modifié par Darth Drago, 07 mai 2010 - 05:10 .

[Acemath]

Something that i also noticed:WTH is with all those supportgroups?Does every ingame character has one?Lol,is there any other game that has that?

[Jade Elf]

Curunen wrote...

piemanz wrote...
Personelly i loved both ME1 and
ME2 ,both games have flaws but i dont let little things ruin it for me.I
think some people have trouble realising that this is a game and not an
alternate life.

Amen.

Indeed.

[Tirigon]

@ OP:



One can complain about little nuissances even if one enjoys the game overall.



Actually that´s the only reason to complain - if the entire game sucks most people wouldn´t bother with complaining about details but simply state "it sucks" and do something else.

[Kangasniemi]

The sad truth of internet is that anonymity lets people act like total dicheads. Penny arcade did a comic about it.



And internet is full of people who know absolutely nothing about game development but after a game has been released they know exactly how the game SHOULD have been made.



And of course on every game forum site, most of the posters are the whiners. Bulk of the gamers are busy enjoying a great game. But minorities are always the most vocal part of any society.

[TJSolo]

Acemath wrote...
I see the same behaviour now at the ME forums.People are complaining
about little things(Hide Helmet toggle,Armor,weapons who use
projectiles(in the year 2185...Etc).

Have you played the game or read the actual reasons behind the problem with not having a helmet toggle?
Lets see ME1 has helmet toggle and DAO auto hides your helm in conversations and the game that is newer than them all ME2 keeps you helmet on at all times and doesn't give you an option to remove if you are not on the Normandy. All find and dandy until you get scenes of Shepard drinking through the helmet, getting recognized as Shepard with his/her head fully obscured, kissing through the helmet, and missing out on the facial expression Bioware claims they are so proud of.
You can call it little, but surely you should be able to see the concern that a new game has less options than older games. Let's not get dismissive based on the size of issue.

Armor, I am not sure what angle on the armor you are talking about. Is it the lack of armor the squad wears in hazardous and dangerous environments or is it the lack of armor options for Shepard? It isn't complaining that Shepard has less armor options, it is a fact. The only items that mathematically increase the options are repainting and adding racing stripes or camo, needless to say repainting is just reskining. Reskinning was a bithing point of ME1 but now it is good in ME2, hypocrites.
Now if you understand the premise this is a sci-fi game and that Bioware has hired scientists to help with the sci part of the genre, it should be obvious that Bioware cares about the sci part of the fi. This was clear in ME1 where allies wore armor in battle and on planets, pretty much every dangerous situation. Not true in ME2. In ME2 you have the same dangerous situations on planets and in hazardous environments yet some of your allies are not in armor, one has pants on and only a leather strap covering her breasts.

The projectile one I have only seen pop up recently, it wasn't a noticable complaint at launch. Which make it looks like it is from people that have not played ME1 and only recently picked up ME2.  Since playing ME1 would offer some perspective on why the majority of weapons are projectile based.

[Tirigon]

Kangasniemi wrote...

And of course on every game forum site, most of the posters are the whiners. Bulk of the gamers are busy enjoying a great game. But minorities are always the most vocal part of any society.

It´s easy.

If you think the game is perfect, you don´t need to write about it but play it.

If you think it sucks you have no reason to bother.

You do only have a reason to post if you think the game is good overall, but minor things suck and should be improved.

[Mister Mida]

There is no increase in 'spoiled brats'. The people who are 'spoiled brats' just found a platform to talk crap, like these fora. And when these 'spoiled brats' come together there whining increases exponentially.

[SkullandBonesmember]

Icinix wrote...

Rather than companies making good specific games, then worrying about profit's afterwards. They now worry about profits first by making the game appeal to the broadest possible market at the expense of specialisation. I'm not targeting any particular game, but companies in general. UbiSoft is more worried about DRM than customers. Activision / Blizzard is more worried about money. EA is more worried about being number 1 and recognised as the premier games distributor.
The only thing customers want is the games themselves to come first. That hasn't been happening for a while now.
So we yell and hate because we love them and want them to end this phase they're in.

Well it's just my thoughts, don't go spreading it around or anything.

+1

[Veex]

I think for me the biggest surprise has always been the selective ability of some people to suspend their belief. They'll have no qualms playing a game full of alien species and technologies which don't exist but if one of those aliens isn't fully clad in the vacuum of space they suddenly can't play the game. Just seems a strange disconnect to be so thoroughly engrossed in something that you notice a minor detail and these huge oddities the game is founded upon seem negligible.

[GothamLord]

Veex wrote...

I think for me the biggest surprise has always been the selective ability of some people to suspend their belief. They'll have no qualms playing a game full of alien species and technologies which don't exist but if one of those aliens isn't fully clad in the vacuum of space they suddenly can't play the game. Just seems a strange disconnect to be so thoroughly engrossed in something that you notice a minor detail and these huge oddities the game is founded upon seem negligible.

^^ This


Aliens. Biotics. Lazurus Project        Yay!!

Jack isnt wearing armor !!   WTF ?!

[sonsonthebia07]

I have very few complaints with Mass Effect 2. Basically everything that was an issue for me in the first game was amended to in the second game. I still loved both games, though. The only "major" issues I have with Mass Effect 2 are helmet toggle like basically everyone else, the inability to respec your squadmates, and the lack of dialogue among squaddies (this would include squad members talking to others as well as more banter on missions).



Any other issues I have I would consider minor and not important enough to be mentioned.



If people complain in a constructive manner about the larger issues it is usually for the good of the game, as it will most likely get noticed. All the random hate threads and crap like that are a waste of space and time.