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[SkullandBonesmember]

GothamLord wrote...

Aliens. Biotics. Lazurus Project        Yay!! 

Jack isnt wearing armor !!   WTF ?!

Yes, because evolving the methods and success of resuscitation as we have seen over the years already, the existence of intelligent life beyond Earth, and taking full advantage of our brain is SOOOOOOO crazy.

Modifié par SkullandBonesmember, 07 mai 2010 - 08:20 .

[GothamLord]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

GothamLord wrote...

Aliens. Biotics. Lazurus Project        Yay!! 

Jack isnt wearing armor !!   WTF ?!

Yes, because evolving the methods and success of resuscitation as we have seen over the years already, the existence of intelligent life beyond Earth, and taking full advantage of our brain is SOOOOOOO crazy.

Shepard was dead for two YEARS.  Not minutes... not hours.... not days.... YEARS.

I am all for the advancement of medical research and increasing the average of human life expectancy.  But seriously coming back from the dead after two years??  People can swallow that just fine but cry because jack isnt wearing armor is silly.  

And Biotics arent just psionics and tapping the potential of the human brain  it includes a magical thing called Elemental Zero....     Space Magic!

[Milana_Saros]

Acemath wrote...

Are we really that spoiled?

Yes. My fiancé was playing Doom the other day...that game still delivers. Hard. And yet no-one comes to a forum complaining about being able to dodge every single Cyberdemon missile...

For me the fountain of dissapointment would be the toned-down story of ME2. It fealt painfully disconnected. But ME2 is a good game, very enjoyable action shoot-out, no doubt about that. And if there was no visor...I simply wouldn't wear a helmet. I never did in DAO either cos' leather helms were butt-ugly. Didn't  cause me to die any more times than I did. I never wear a hat IRL either

The thing is that I've learned to look past a lot of gameplay issues (you could solo BG2 as sorceress abusing the leveling system and horribly OP spells, yet people didn't seem to mind too much), I mostly focus on the story. Bioware has had romances in games since BG2 and I've quite enjoyed them...if you don't count Casavir being squished under a bunch of rocks. In ME2 however, being torn apart from Kaidan and then only getting a short cutscene where I got yelled at and then a lamish email...well, it made the gaming experience a bit awkward. And the new characters could've been so so much better...

Still, I expect them to keep their promise and bring the ME1 LIs back with "full force".

Gameplay didn't bother me at all really. I missed the customization of my character but I did not miss having to sell 10000000 armor, weapons and mods to a merchant after every single mission. Nor did I miss skills like "First Aid" or "Tactical Armor" in order to equip medium armor etc. . Not so sure about Mako though...it did remind me of Big Red Racing. Good times good times...

Modifié par Milana_Saros, 07 mai 2010 - 08:44 .

[Daewan]

GothamLord wrote...

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

GothamLord wrote...

Aliens. Biotics. Lazurus Project        Yay!! 

Jack isnt wearing armor !!   WTF ?!

Yes, because evolving the methods and success of resuscitation as we have seen over the years already, the existence of intelligent life beyond Earth, and taking full advantage of our brain is SOOOOOOO crazy.

Shepard was dead for two YEARS.  Not minutes... not hours.... not days.... YEARS.

I am all for the advancement of medical research and increasing the average of human life expectancy.  But seriously coming back from the dead after two years??  People can swallow that just fine but cry because jack isnt wearing armor is silly.  

And Biotics arent just psionics and tapping the potential of the human brain  it includes a magical thing called Elemental Zero....     Space Magic!

No, you're missing an important point.  He died two YEARS ago.  He was worked on by Cerberus for most of that time.  The reconstruction process took two years.  He was dead for a short, unspecified amount of time before the Lazarus Project began work.  As a guess, I would say four days because BioWare writers are overeducated and like to play jokes on their players.

In game, Miranda states that the project took two years, which is the same amount of time that Shepard has been out of action.  Therefore, Shepard wasn't "dead" for very long at all.

[Siansonea]

Well considering I'm on my sixth playthrough, I guess I enjoy the game in spite of its imperfections. I think it's a really good game.

[bas273]

As I said in some other thread, if you have criticism on a game (not always true, but that doesn't matter right now) that means you love it and want it to be better. You take the time to post your criticism on this forum, in the hope that the devs will read it and do not make the same mistake again (ME3). This is not always the case, there are also people who are just trolling.
I, for example, would love to be able to toggle my helmet for the Blood Dragon / Cerberus Assault etc. armor, because I don't like helmets. More interesting side missions for ME1 would also be great.
Despite this small criticism, I think you should also be able to look past those annoyances, enjoy the game and be happy with the product that the devs gave to you.  That's much more important than the content that is missing.
Game websites also tend to make this mistake. When they review a game, they start with a score of 10.0 and lower it for everything that's missing. That's just stupid.
For instance:
10.0
-0.5 because the graphics are bad
Maximum score: 9.5
That's just stupid imo. What if the gameplay, storyline, companions, controls, sound etc. are all brilliant? 
Conclusion: you should look at all the things you already have, not whine about the stuff that is missing. Just my opinion ofc .

[GothamLord]

Daewan wrote...

No, you're missing an important point.  He died two YEARS ago.  He was worked on by Cerberus for most of that time.  The reconstruction process took two years.  He was dead for a short, unspecified amount of time before the Lazarus Project began work.  As a guess, I would say four days because BioWare writers are overeducated and like to play jokes on their players.

In game, Miranda states that the project took two years, which is the same amount of time that Shepard has been out of action.  Therefore, Shepard wasn't "dead" for very long at all.

And you are still missing the most important part of all from the original post I responded to.  In the fact we can suspend disbelief for certain things in the game that defy reason and explanation but want to harp on trivial and minor things.

Also if we can to start getting in depth with dates and timeline  the events of the opening of ME2  happened in 2183.   Shepard didnt manage to regain full neurological activity until 2185 with the Project. So by all medical terms he was *brain dead* for two years.  

Brain death is a legal indicator of death in the USA that refers to the irreversible end of all brain activity (including involuntary activity necessary to sustain life)

Modifié par GothamLord, 07 mai 2010 - 09:26 .

[Tirigon]

GothamLord wrote...


And you are still missing the most important part of all from the original post I responded to.  In the fact we can suspend disbelief for certain things in the game that defy reason and explanation but want to harp on trivial and minor things.

It´s about the in-game logic.

In the ME universe it is normal that there are aliens, so these are not "against the lore". But it is made clear that humans need modern envirosuits to survive in a hostile environment.
So Jack not needing this doesn´t fit to the game.

[GothamLord]

Tirigon wrote...

GothamLord wrote...


And you are still missing the most important part of all from the original post I responded to.  In the fact we can suspend disbelief for certain things in the game that defy reason and explanation but want to harp on trivial and minor things.

It´s about the in-game logic.

In the ME universe it is normal that there are aliens, so these are not "against the lore". But it is made clear that humans need modern envirosuits to survive in a hostile environment.
So Jack not needing this doesn´t fit to the game.

Its also a matter of not really being something that is going to break the story.  Jack is a Biotic, a powerful one at that.  Shes engulfed herself in a protective layer of biotic energy.  There. Now you have a semi-possible way around the issue using game "lore" 

The concept of her or any other squadmate being in a suit is so trivial in the grand scheme of things.  I'm not going to flaut the devs for not wanting to spend extra time making models for every character in what are the minority of missions that have everyone in suits. If she was outside walking on the Normandy's hull with no suit sure. But shes still inside some type of structure that most likely has some sort of maintained enviroment control.

[Chuvvy]

People complain about things is necessary if they didn't nothing would ever get better. Admittedly it could be done in a much better way but this is the internet.

[FlyingWalrus]

Speak for oneself! I am a perennial denouncer of whining and I love most games for what they deliver. I can't say I'm not disappointed some times, but I can't say I'm not pleasantly surprised oftentimes either.

[TJSolo]

GothamLord wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

GothamLord wrote...


And you are still missing the most important part of all from the original post I responded to.  In the fact we can suspend disbelief for certain things in the game that defy reason and explanation but want to harp on trivial and minor things.

It´s about the in-game logic.

In the ME universe it is normal that there are aliens, so these are not "against the lore". But it is made clear that humans need modern envirosuits to survive in a hostile environment.
So Jack not needing this doesn´t fit to the game.

Its also a matter of not really being something that is going to break the story.  Jack is a Biotic, a powerful one at that.  Shes engulfed herself in a protective layer of biotic energy.  There. Now you have a semi-possible way around the issue using game "lore" 

The concept of her or any other squadmate being in a suit is so trivial in the grand scheme of things.  I'm not going to flaut the devs for not wanting to spend extra time making models for every character in what are the minority of missions that have everyone in suits. If she was outside walking on the Normandy's hull with no suit sure. But shes still inside some type of structure that most likely has some sort of maintained enviroment control.

You see it is the most likely part that is really stupid, not wearing armor in situations where the environment and surroundings are questionable in space...stupid and cheesy for the sake of flashy character design.

[GothamLord]

TJSolo wrote...

GothamLord wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

GothamLord wrote...


And you are still missing the most important part of all from the original post I responded to.  In the fact we can suspend disbelief for certain things in the game that defy reason and explanation but want to harp on trivial and minor things.

It´s about the in-game logic.

In the ME universe it is normal that there are aliens, so these are not "against the lore". But it is made clear that humans need modern envirosuits to survive in a hostile environment.
So Jack not needing this doesn´t fit to the game.

Its also a matter of not really being something that is going to break the story.  Jack is a Biotic, a powerful one at that.  Shes engulfed herself in a protective layer of biotic energy.  There. Now you have a semi-possible way around the issue using game "lore" 

The concept of her or any other squadmate being in a suit is so trivial in the grand scheme of things.  I'm not going to flaut the devs for not wanting to spend extra time making models for every character in what are the minority of missions that have everyone in suits. If she was outside walking on the Normandy's hull with no suit sure. But shes still inside some type of structure that most likely has some sort of maintained enviroment control.

You see it is the most likely part that is really stupid, not wearing armor in situations where the environment and surroundings are questionable in space...stupid and cheesy for the sake of flashy character design.

...its just a game.  

Shocking I know. 

[Massadonious1]

GothamLord wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

GothamLord wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

GothamLord wrote...


And you are still missing the most important part of all from the original post I responded to.  In the fact we can suspend disbelief for certain things in the game that defy reason and explanation but want to harp on trivial and minor things.

It´s about the in-game logic.

In the ME universe it is normal that there are aliens, so these are not "against the lore". But it is made clear that humans need modern envirosuits to survive in a hostile environment.
So Jack not needing this doesn´t fit to the game.

Its also a matter of not really being something that is going to break the story.  Jack is a Biotic, a powerful one at that.  Shes engulfed herself in a protective layer of biotic energy.  There. Now you have a semi-possible way around the issue using game "lore" 

The concept of her or any other squadmate being in a suit is so trivial in the grand scheme of things.  I'm not going to flaut the devs for not wanting to spend extra time making models for every character in what are the minority of missions that have everyone in suits. If she was outside walking on the Normandy's hull with no suit sure. But shes still inside some type of structure that most likely has some sort of maintained enviroment control.

You see it is the most likely part that is really stupid, not wearing armor in situations where the environment and surroundings are questionable in space...stupid and cheesy for the sake of flashy character design.

...its just a game.  

Shocking I know. 

[TJSolo]

GothamLord wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

GothamLord wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

GothamLord wrote...


And you are still missing the most important part of all from the original post I responded to.  In the fact we can suspend disbelief for certain things in the game that defy reason and explanation but want to harp on trivial and minor things.

It´s about the in-game logic.

In the ME universe it is normal that there are aliens, so these are not "against the lore". But it is made clear that humans need modern envirosuits to survive in a hostile environment.
So Jack not needing this doesn´t fit to the game.

Its also a matter of not really being something that is going to break the story.  Jack is a Biotic, a powerful one at that.  Shes engulfed herself in a protective layer of biotic energy.  There. Now you have a semi-possible way around the issue using game "lore" 

The concept of her or any other squadmate being in a suit is so trivial in the grand scheme of things.  I'm not going to flaut the devs for not wanting to spend extra time making models for every character in what are the minority of missions that have everyone in suits. If she was outside walking on the Normandy's hull with no suit sure. But shes still inside some type of structure that most likely has some sort of maintained enviroment control.

You see it is the most likely part that is really stupid, not wearing armor in situations where the environment and surroundings are questionable in space...stupid and cheesy for the sake of flashy character design.

...its just a game.  

Shocking I know. 

When something doesn't follow its own internal rules. It is inconsistent.
Just a game, yes it is a game. How observant you are.

[BatarianBob]

GothamLord wrote...

Veex wrote...

I think for me the biggest surprise has always been the selective ability of some people to suspend their belief. They'll have no qualms playing a game full of alien species and technologies which don't exist but if one of those aliens isn't fully clad in the vacuum of space they suddenly can't play the game. Just seems a strange disconnect to be so thoroughly engrossed in something that you notice a minor detail and these huge oddities the game is founded upon seem negligible.

^^ This


Aliens. Biotics. Lazurus Project        Yay!!

Jack isnt wearing armor !!   WTF ?!

Filling in gaps in our knowledge, even with implausible content, is fine and dandy.

The effect exposure to the vacuum of space will have on an unprotected person is not a gap.  It's fairly well understood.

[Massadonious1]

It's fairly well understood.....in 2010.



I thought Mass Effect was supposed to be in the future? Someone should inform the writers.

[GothamLord]

TJSolo wrote...

When something doesn't follow its own internal rules. It is inconsistent.
Just a game, yes it is a game. How observant you are.

You obviously missed my point.  You can shove all the real world science you want into it, try and make logically sense of this or that.  When the day is over though one thing is always going to be fact above all else ...Its a game.  Fans take games/TV Shows/Books/Movies whatever the media that develop franchises like Mass Effect way to seriously.   There is a point where logic does have to come into play.  People running around outside in the vacuum of space with no suits or air would cause alot of crys of foul. They would be justified.  When it comes down to the suit or something as minor as the placement of the barrier shield in the opening scene vs. Shepard shoving him into the escape hatch, where it appears the shield has magically moved because Joker shouldnt be able to move through open space without a suit.  People just need to take a minute to step back and breathe.  Does that little thing really go on to ruin your entire experience with the game??  If it is, you need to find another outlet than video games or science fiction entertainment in general.

Modifié par GothamLord, 08 mai 2010 - 07:21 .

[BatarianBob]

Massadonious1 wrote...

It's fairly well understood.....in 2010.

I thought Mass Effect was supposed to be in the future? Someone should inform the writers.

If you were trying to make sense, try again.

Modifié par Taranatar9, 08 mai 2010 - 07:22 .

[Kalfear]

piemanz wrote...

I'm guessing more people enjoyed the game than didn't,you have to
remember that some people tend to only post in a forum if they have
something to whine about and these people tend to also be very vocal,so
you're going to see a large number of negative posts.Most poeple play
the game,enjoy it ,and dont feel the need to come on the forums and pick
over every minute aspect of it.

Personelly i loved both ME1 and
ME2 ,both games have flaws but i dont let little things ruin it for me.I
think some people have trouble realising that this is a game and not an
alternate life.

Then you would be guessing wrong!

The over all opinion of ME2 has been less then desired or expected.
The sales been great but most of that can be attribulted to returning customers from ME1 and word of mouth on how good ME1 was.
I doubt ME3 will have the same awsome returning numbers that ME2 experienced.

As for the little things in OP statement.

If it was just 1 or 2 or even 3 little things, then Id agree its over reaction, but we talking 20 little things that created the society and backdrop of the game missing!

So while every person might miss something more then the next person, the over all statement that ME2 doesnt have the same emotional connection that ME1 had shouldnt be ignored or written off.

ME2 tried to hard to be a shooter at the cost of game setting, personality, replayability, emotional connection. Or in short, they gutted the RPG of the game!

Personally I found the complaints from the shooter crowd after ME1 much more whiny and petty then whats been brought up after ME2. If you look at all the over done and heavy handed changes that came to ME2 cause of a vocal minority after ME1, its no surprise the non vocal majority is now going to voice everything and anything they see wrong in the hopes Bioware goes back to making action RPGs and not story based Shooter.

[Massadonious1]

There are these things called scientists. They research stuff. In the 150+ years from now in which this game takes place, they could of researched some dohickey that could prevent the effects of vaccum on open skin.

If that's too complicated I can use sign language.

Modifié par Massadonious1, 08 mai 2010 - 07:27 .

[GothamLord]

Massadonious1 wrote...

There are these things called scientists. They research stuff. In the 150+ years from now in which this game takes place, they could of researched some dohickey that could prevent the effects of vaccum on open skin.

If that's too complicated I can use sign language.

Just remember Mass.... The middle finger doesnt count as sign language here.   Even if it seems the correct course of action at the end.   

[BatarianBob]

I thought you were about to suggest that space in 2185 was warm and pressurized. That would have been more intelligent.

[AlanC9]

Kalfear wrote...

Then you would be guessing wrong!

The over all opinion of ME2 has been less then desired or expected.
The sales been great but most of that can be attribulted to returning customers from ME1 and word of mouth on how good ME1 was.

What's that based on? Sales have been good, and the reviews better than ME2's. So you're essentially arguing that the majority of people who bought ME2 disagree with the reviewers, and that ME2 is a critical success and a sales success but somehow not a popular success.

I guess that's conceivable... but what I don't see is how you could know it.

[Massadonious1]

Yeah, what am I thinking? Scientists and inventors can't be that smart. They are so unsmart, I refuse to use sunscreen to spite them. You say this newfangled lotion is supposed to prevent your skin from burning? Hogwash! Such a thing isn't possible. Our skin was always meant to cook in the sun!