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[Emerald Melios]

sleepingbelow wrote...

Willowhugger wrote...
Yeah. Accusing a City Elf, a Teryn's son, a Daelish, and a Dwarf of being Orlesian spies is just nonsensical. I think even Loghain had to know that.

Okay, I'm not saying it is 100% logical, but I feel like Loghain might suspect anybody that was introduced to him by Duncan might be Orlesian sympathetic.  He originally met Duncan as part of a retinue of Orlesian Wardens which contained humans, elves, and dwarves.  He might still regard Duncan as Orlesian despite Duncan being of Fereldan/Rivaini heritage.  

I don't think he ever got a satisfactory explanation for the shenanigans that happened with Maric at Kinloch in The Calling.  He let the matter drop, but if the Warden was threatening Fereldan's safety (in his mind), it would probably reignite old suspicions about Duncan and anybody connected to Duncan.

It's still paranoid, but not habanero paranoid.  It is jalapeno paranoid.

Hmm...does he know about Leliana prior to being inducted as a party member? Because if he knew the Warden was....fraternizing with an Orlesian bard that might give him some (utterly inaccurate) ideas.....

[Xandurpein]

In Lothering I had only one Rogue, Leliana. I tell her to unlock a chest in the Chantry and steal the contents. One of the things she lifts from the chest is a religious symbol. So I just made her steal a holy relic from the chantry and she has no objections. And then when I give the symbol, she just stole herself, as a gift to her I get a massive approval bonus.

[Willowhugger]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

In the danish camp when you get caught by Lanaya for trying to steal goods from a chest. What the hell? Throughout the whole game you always take or steal things in front of peoples eyes but for some reason she notices this.

Given you're introduced to her helping you slaughter a bunch of mercenaries in a tavern, I think the developers were aware that the Chantry was actually entirely right to think that Leliana is a few screws short.  Let's face it, she loves stealing and murder.

The fact you give her a cut of what she steals for you is just part of the fun.  She's the Friar Tuck.

[Emerald Melios]

Willowhugger wrote...

Given you're introduced to her helping you slaughter a bunch of mercenaries in a tavern, I think the developers were aware that the Chantry was actually entirely right to think that Leliana is a few screws short.  Let's face it, she loves stealing and murder.

The fact you give her a cut of what she steals for you is just part of the fun.  She's the Friar Tuck.

She's one Archdemon short of a Blight all right.

[Willowhugger]

26. Given Arl Howe had a shield spell, is it possible he DID intend to murder Anora?

[sylvanaerie]

sleepingbelow wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
How would they have really managed that? Either it was before the Landsmeet and thus they're declared traitors who can't really get a dead body to Anora (and given tht Loghain wants to feed him to the wolves if he gets ahole of the body he'd just trash it) or it was afterwards and thus there's no time. 

They could just leave it on the palace doorstep, ring the doorbell and then run like hell.

OMG this made me giggle as I actually could PICTURE them doing this like 8 year olds...I suppose they could bag him and set fire to it too? That way the pyre is out of the way...

[CalJones]

Willowhugger wrote...
23. If you talk to Loghain, you find that the Mac Tir Teryn is a piece of crap.  When did he get the Gwaren Teyrn?

24. Amusingly, if you realize Loghain spent all of his time away from home at Denerim then Anora becomes the classic model of the Daddy's girl desperate to impress an absentee father.

25. Is Anora actually Loghain's daughter?  I hate to ask but she's VERY VERY blond and he's VERY VERY dark.  Did no one question that or is she a bottle blond in the Middle Ages?

23. Gwaren isn't a great location, but it's symbolic as it's the first town Loghain and Maric liberated from the Orlesians.

24. My thoughts exactly.

25. If you speak to Eamon about her, he mentions she has a mother's looks and her father's mind (or something to that effect).

[Tinxa]

Finding Sandal in Fort Drakon with all those dead darkspawn.

I know he was there so we can upgrade swords and buy last minute equipement but it was weird as hell

[Radahldo]

Guys, don't call me an idiot for asking this but what does this line mean? I don't get it, it just seems random to me.

It's just a change in context of those "A few cards short of a full deck" type of jokes.

[sylvanaerie]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Emerald Melios wrote...
She's one Archdemon short of a Blight all right.

Guys, don't call me an idiot for asking this but what does this line mean? I don't get it, it just seems random to me.

its also a response your PC can give in Lothering to Alistair's suggestion that you let her join you if you don't recruit Leliana in the Tavern and encounter her near the Lothering highway exit. 
Basically you can say she's a little nuts.

[blademaster7]

1. The cutscene where you are overwelmed by darkspawn in the tower of Ishal. After seeing those arrows landing on my character I thought I did something wrong. I was about to reload.



2. Flemeth shapeshifting into a High Dragon. The hag took me by surprise. She kicked my ass in 5 seconds.



Those were my WTF moments in my first playthrough.

[Zjarcal]

The fact that you can give Wynne the Blood Mage specialization and she doesn't object.



There should've been at least a cutscene when you selected that specialization for her where she confronted you about it.

[webbedfeet]

- Between the time it took for you to travel from the Circle to Ostagar, Loghain managed to capture Jowan, figure out how to make use of him, has him tutor Connor and poison Arl Eamon. All in time before the big battle, and all the while supposedly being at the front with Cailan. If that's not quick work, I don't know what is. (It's either that, or Duncan made a whole lot of other pit stops on the way.)



- There is a cave. On the second floor. Of a tower.



- Bandaging a dying person will magically enable said person to heal enough to run back to camp. Run! Magic injury kits indeed!



- You drink poultices. I assume that 'external use only' does not apply in this case.



- You never actually go inside the tent during tent times.



- A demon born out of random thoughts is, for some reason, carrying a badass legendary sword that may or may not have been sent to the Tower for safekeeping. The fact that Random Thoughts/Figment of Someone's Imagination was holding the Yusaris, however, is rather suspect.

[Verly]

webbedfeet wrote...

- Bandaging a dying person will magically enable said person to heal enough to run back to camp. Run! Magic injury kits indeed!

I don't know about that.  because the cut scene right afterwards when Ser Jory wants to go back.. he said..."did you hear that..."nand then in the background I always here a big "plunk" sound...I always assumed that it was the guy dropping dead.

[sylvanaerie]

webbedfeet wrote...

- Between the time it took for you to travel from the Circle to Ostagar, Loghain managed to capture Jowan, figure out how to make use of him, has him tutor Connor and poison Arl Eamon. All in time before the big battle, and all the while supposedly being at the front with Cailan. If that's not quick work, I don't know what is. (It's either that, or Duncan made a whole lot of other pit stops on the way.)

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Plus, Jowan is caught IN Redcliffe by Irminrick, where Loghain's men sieze him from the Templar, and both templar AND Jowan are taken to Denerim where Jowan MEETS Loghain (not one of his men cause Jowan recognizes him from paintings) and is sent BACK to Redcliffe to do the poisoning.  All in the couple of weeks it takes the PC mage and Duncan to get to Ostagar from the Tower.

I always thought maybe Duncan dallied a bit. He does have a way with the mages.

[Sarah1281]

sylvanaerie wrote...

webbedfeet wrote...

- Between the time it took for you to travel from the Circle to Ostagar, Loghain managed to capture Jowan, figure out how to make use of him, has him tutor Connor and poison Arl Eamon. All in time before the big battle, and all the while supposedly being at the front with Cailan. If that's not quick work, I don't know what is. (It's either that, or Duncan made a whole lot of other pit stops on the way.)

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Plus, Jowan is caught IN Redcliffe by Irminrick, where Loghain's men sieze him from the Templar, and both templar AND Jowan are taken to Denerim where Jowan MEETS Loghain (not one of his men cause Jowan recognizes him from paintings) and is sent BACK to Redcliffe to do the poisoning.  All in the couple of weeks it takes the PC mage and Duncan to get to Ostagar from the Tower.

I always thought maybe Duncan dallied a bit. He does have a way with the mages.

Maybe he went around to some of the other origin locations for the same reason he does when the Warden comes from there but he's either too early to need to save the Warden or too late.

[webbedfeet]

Sarah1281 wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

webbedfeet wrote...

- Between the time it took for you to travel from the Circle to Ostagar, Loghain managed to capture Jowan, figure out how to make use of him, has him tutor Connor and poison Arl Eamon. All in time before the big battle, and all the while supposedly being at the front with Cailan. If that's not quick work, I don't know what is. (It's either that, or Duncan made a whole lot of other pit stops on the way.)

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Plus, Jowan is caught IN Redcliffe by Irminrick, where Loghain's men sieze him from the Templar, and both templar AND Jowan are taken to Denerim where Jowan MEETS Loghain (not one of his men cause Jowan recognizes him from paintings) and is sent BACK to Redcliffe to do the poisoning.  All in the couple of weeks it takes the PC mage and Duncan to get to Ostagar from the Tower.

I always thought maybe Duncan dallied a bit. He does have a way with the mages.

Maybe he went around to some of the other origin locations for the same reason he does when the Warden comes from there but he's either too early to need to save the Warden or too late.

That's what I figured, yes. Although.....for Jowan to march to Denerim and back, and then get into the Arl's good graces enough to poison him, early enough that his army wouldn't have marched to Ostagar yet? And they say magic cannot affect travel time!

[Haranalee]

The thing that made me go "huh" most was not even in Origins. It was that Alistair who was relatively nearby in the Bannorn with his troops didn't come to attack the rear of the horde that was going after Vigil's keep. I was so certain that he was going to show up that I didn't think twice about staying in Amaranthine city to fight (Still, I'd have made the same decision regardless because Vigil's keep actually had walls and soldiers, while the city was more or less wide open).

The other lesser puzzlement came from the fact that I didn't get much in the way of letters/messages from my keep's messenger. I really should have been deluged considering what was going on in the arling.

[Sarah1281]

That's what I figured, yes. Although.....for Jowan to march to Denerim and back, and then get into the Arl's good graces enough to poison him, early enough that his army wouldn't have marched to Ostagar yet? And they say magic cannot affect travel time!

You mean the Arl's army? Cailan would't let him come, probably because of the Anora issue. I don't think Eamon fell into a coma until Connor got possessed as that was part of stabilizing him and saving his life. If we assume the events of the Circle happened prior to Highever and the Alienage and the Arlessa was really desperate so that she had to take in the secret-mage-tutor, it might have been enough time. I don't think Duncan would be off investigating old Tevinter mirrors if he already knew about Ostagar and that's the only Origin he doesn't appear to be actively seeking recruits so that probably came first. Orzammar we know happened because the DC wouldn't have gotten arrested for impersonating Everd if there wasn't Duncan's proving and the DN Origin took place a week after the DC one and that expedition wouldn't have happened if Duncan hadn't needed to get through to see if it was a Blight so it probably took place befoe he heard news of Ostagar.

[Dokarqt]

BHRamsay wrote...

I've been the lonely rider of the Irving-is-evil bandwagon since release date.  There is just ...something about that man that sets my spider-sense tingling. I can't help but think he knows waaay more about what was going on in the tower then he let on.

I've always thought the same. He struck me as super evil all the game through.

First time I completed the circle tower quest and sided with the mages, after Irving and Greagoir finishes speaking Irvings face is zoomed in on and he says "aah im sure we'll be at each others throats again in no time" in a really creepy evil voice (makes me think of darth sidious).
I totally thought I had f'd up big time and almost reloaded to side with the templars since I thought Irving was the mastermind behind all the abomination and Uldred just his pawn.

Oh well.

[webbedfeet]

Sarah1281 wrote...

That's what I figured, yes. Although.....for Jowan to march to Denerim and back, and then get into the Arl's good graces enough to poison him, early enough that his army wouldn't have marched to Ostagar yet? And they say magic cannot affect travel time!

You mean the Arl's army? Cailan would't let him come, probably because of the Anora issue. I don't think Eamon fell into a coma until Connor got possessed as that was part of stabilizing him and saving his life. If we assume the events of the Circle happened prior to Highever and the Alienage and the Arlessa was really desperate so that she had to take in the secret-mage-tutor, it might have been enough time. I don't think Duncan would be off investigating old Tevinter mirrors if he already knew about Ostagar and that's the only Origin he doesn't appear to be actively seeking recruits so that probably came first. Orzammar we know happened because the DC wouldn't have gotten arrested for impersonating Everd if there wasn't Duncan's proving and the DN Origin took place a week after the DC one and that expedition wouldn't have happened if Duncan hadn't needed to get through to see if it was a Blight so it probably took place befoe he heard news of Ostagar.

Wasn't it mentioned by somebody that the Arl fell ill before Ostagar, and thus couldn't make it? Somebody isn't telling the truth in any case, if we assume there are no plot holes. If only we know who.

I was under the impression that Cailan was okay with Eamon coming, he just wouldn't wait for him the same way Loghain refuses to wait for the Orlesian Wardens. I might be wrong. It's hard to tell what Cailan was thinking (or NOT thinking, as the case may be).

[Sarah1281]

One of the first things that Duncan told Cailan was that Eamon wanted to remind him that his forces (even if he didn't attend personally) could be there within a week and Caian just scoffed and said Eamon just wanted in on the glory. That's a 'no' right there. If Eamon wanted to be there and Cailan was fine with it, why would Eamon have to bring up that he was really close at hand?



I think the knight in Lothering says he 'fell ill' before Ostagar if you ask him if Logain could be responsible ahd he didn't like the implications. That could still be after he asked Duncan to deliver the message and Eamon couldn't have been in a coma then as no one in the village has heard anything about that. I think he fell gravely ill from the poison and since the coma was the demon keeping him in the Fade that happened after Connor became an abomination.