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[Dhraiauvessillus]

I need help in the Flemmeth fight.

Lst playthrough I tried 3 times to kill her and I failed.

It was on easy, and she still beat me.

How do you fight her?

I would like to complete Morrighans quest this time.

I have a Rogue Dwarven Noble.

[thepiebaker]

have wynn, a rouge that's a ranger and shale, and a butt load of health poultices. if you are a ranger yourself i'd bring alistar/sten/oghren

wynn is designated as the spirit healer, set her tactics to use her healing abilities when team mates are about 40-30% health

set each character to use health poultices when they are less than 25% health, least powerful.

have your ranger summon a bear

give shale a large fire crystal and i think a small ice crystal will do the most damage. shale will be your tank.

give alitar/sten/oghren the heaviest armor and the most damaging weapon that they're good at, they will be a secondary tank in case shale falls in battle

try to bring your character to the back to do some back stabs

Modifié par thepiebaker, 07 mai 2010 - 11:00 .

[jenncgf]

For Flemeth?

Actually, she never leaves that platform she alights onto when she transforms into a dragon. So if you go all ranged and keep either a healer or health poultices handy, you're all good.

She will do that 'drag you toward her' attack and then try to flame blast you, but if you're not by the part of the platform that you can actually climb up she won't successfully get you all the way up next to her.

I've actually soloed her as an archer that way. As long as you keep healing going, you're all good.

I think my fastest kill was Leliana, my PC archer, Alistair actually tanking on the platform, and Wynne healing/blasting. Alistair distracted her and the others just took her hps down further and further without seeing much damage.

Oh, if you do decide to have tank(s) on the platform, make sure that they stay closer to her hindquarters and move around when  she turns to face them.  If she picks them up in her mouth they're as good as dead. 

Modifié par jenncgf, 08 mai 2010 - 12:01 .

[rheed]

1. Hold party

2. Send alistair up

3. Taunt flemeth opposite from the rest of your group

4. get some bow to your melee, don't waste time trying to melee dps flemeth

5. shoot

6. Watch tv

.....

30. Loot her



Actually the real key of the fight is trying to not melee her, it will end making you waste ****loads of mana pots healing someone who won't do damage at all thanks to continuous tail strikes. Just stay away while your tank holds some agro, then pew pew. Use a bow with your rogue/warrior if you want, on easy you could even sit and watch....

[caradoc2000]

Why would you fight her in the first place? She rescued you from the tower of Ishal and this is how you repay her??

[crawfs]

use the dog and keep healing him he for some reason seems to be the best at fighting dragons

[tallinn]

As for melee attackers on a high dragon: I got the impression that melee attacks do not any damage to her when she's raising into the air from her spot as she is doing frequently. Furthermore melee attacking party members then stop to continue their attack (at least with "hold position" active) and have to be ordered to attack again. Is that so or am I doing something wrong? I found melee attacks on Flemeth so utterly useless that way.



I slayed my first three revenants just yesterday evening (with a level 14-15 party) but I am still staying away from the high dragons. I got the dragon slayer achievement just for being lucky to experience a dragon stucking its head into the mountain (known bug at the mountain top site). It was so cheap I dismissed that game state and restarted from a save. So the dragon is still there :-) I would like to clear the achievement as well.

[tallinn]

Just did Flemeth on normal with a level 15 party of Alistair, Warden, Lelianna and Ugly (the dog) using some tipps given here. It was so easy then. Rheed is right, bows for all that are able to use one are the weapons of choice here. And the dog is a perfect tank, Lelianna gave him her summoned wolf as a mate. It was so funny to see the dragon looking down on the dog like "what are you doing here?". Flemeth did that most of the time during the battle which was rather short (not longer than a minute - not enough for TV). Other then that I took care to distribute my party members on the place so Flemeth won't throw Fire balls. She seems to  do that just as along as the party is crowded. The dog used one health potion. Flemeth got the wolf down. That was all. And for my problem stated one post above I found the solution: release hold position once all your party members are in place. As long as they are in shooting range, they stay where they are and don't stop attacking. Same for dog and wolf. Both of them stopped fighting if hold position was active.

Weapons used were: Marjolianne's Bow for Leilanna, a tier 4 shortbow for my warden, a tier 5 crossbow for Alistair and teeth for the dog. No special ammunition. Since Flemeth used fire on my party members only once (besides the poor dog, who got burned a number of times) the two wade dragonskin armors on my warden and Alistair were probably not needed. I did not even use Mark of Death, just Song of Valor as a party buff for whatever that is worth.

Modifié par tallinn, 08 mai 2010 - 08:21 .

[rheed]

In my last playthrough I killed flemeth at lvl 9, on nightmare, with alistair and leliana ( had sten also, just watching, didn't care much sending him to dps ), funny thing I only used one single mana potion

And I thought Wynne was a good healer.... until my own PC as healer is twice as effective and his mana last waaaaaaay longer than old-auntie's



Anyway, DAO is hard ( or might feel hard for anyone ) the first time, I myself have been really really owned several times on normal at the Ostagar tower, and even on flemeth the first time I killed her.I rember having hard times also on the Deep Roads. But once you learn the basics on how to build your companions, how to deal with some enemies ( ie: hurlock emissary, spread your party, or dragons, stay away from his face/tail ) the game becomes very easy, even on nightmare without using cheating tactics ( like force fielding your tank, or abusing mage usage ) and some other things, you won't even need to use poultices at all Just give it some time.

[Arthur Cousland]

If you were able to kill the high dragon during the sacred ashes questline, this fight should be no different. Have a tank keep hate, keep them healed, and if they get grabbed, have a method of stunning Flemeth. If you were able to slay the high dragon, then you should have access to Wade's superior dragonbone armor, which should greatly reduce fire damage to your tank. This fight should actually be easier than the high dragon fight, since you didn't have access to the Wade's armor set back then. 

I killed Flemeth in one try without too much fuss.  My party was my templar warden, Sten with a bow, Leliana and Wynne.  When my templar got grabbed, Leliana stunned Flemeth with her one stun arrow attack (I forget the name).  Armed with Wade's superior dragonbone plate and high defense, my templar didn't take much damage unless he was grabbed, but that was quickly remedied with a stun and health potion.

Modifié par Arthur Cousland, 08 mai 2010 - 12:19 .

[tallinn]

Yes, now understanding how Flemeth behaves I should and could have done that earlier. The party will need more time to get Flemeth health down but won't suffer more as Flemeth keeps playing with the dog. I read that on hardcore AI is different. Does Flemeth attack ranged attackers more often then (even if they are not crowded)?



Does rheeds tactic works with the urn dragon as well (If she does not stick her head into the mountain and stay there, that is)?

[Arthur Cousland]

It shouldn't matter what your ranged fighters do if your tank gets the dragon's attention and then turns them around so your party shoots at the dragon's back. If they take damage from fire before the tank can get the dragon's attention, then just fire a group heal and just make sure they are far enough to avoid a tail sweep. Fire resistant gear is helpful, as well as good defense/armor on your tank. I had blood dragon armor for the high dragon, and wade's superior dragonbone plate for Flemeth.

[Hysteria]

caradoc2000 wrote...

Why would you fight her in the first place? She rescued you from the tower of Ishal and this is how you repay her??

Actually a really good point ....if you are 'role playing this game' and not just trying to kill everything you can....why would you kill her ?

[FBG_Loke]

Hysteria wrote...

caradoc2000 wrote...

Why would you fight her in the first place? She rescued you from the tower of Ishal and this is how you repay her??

Actually a really good point ....if you are 'role playing this game' and not just trying to kill everything you can....why would you kill her ?

Uhm, because you're banging her daughter and Flemeth wants to kill her??

[hyperion 777]

FBG_Loke wrote...

Hysteria wrote...

caradoc2000 wrote...

Why would you fight her in the first place? She rescued you from the tower of Ishal and this is how you repay her??

Actually a really good point ....if you are 'role playing this game' and not just trying to kill everything you can....why would you kill her ?

Uhm, because you're banging her daughter and Flemeth wants to kill her??

your banging her daughter and if you played for different endings one is that she has your child to save you from becoming the new archfeind

[Hysteria]

FBG_Loke wrote...

Hysteria wrote...

caradoc2000 wrote...

Why would you fight her in the first place? She rescued you from the tower of Ishal and this is how you repay her??

Actually a really good point ....if you are 'role playing this game' and not just trying to kill everything you can....why would you kill her ?

Uhm, because you're banging her daughter and Flemeth wants to kill her??


Ummm...not everyone is banging Morrigan, what would make you think that ?
Also---only thing you have to go on is what Morrigan tells you....could be a complete lie
...what you do know is that you owe your pitiful life to Flemeth.

[Dhraiauvessillus]

Thank you for the help. I think using ranged attacks and 1 tank will be best for me. Me, Wynne, Zevran and Shale I think is best.
Or Sten, Ohgran or my dog to tank.

I will make Zevran a Ranger the first chance i get.

Modifié par Dhraiauvessillus, 08 mai 2010 - 07:22 .

[FBG_Loke]

Hysteria wrote...

FBG_Loke wrote...

Hysteria wrote...

caradoc2000 wrote...

Why would you fight her in the first place? She rescued you from the tower of Ishal and this is how you repay her??

Actually a really good point ....if you are 'role playing this game' and not just trying to kill everything you can....why would you kill her ?

Uhm, because you're banging her daughter and Flemeth wants to kill her??

Ummm...not everyone is banging Morrigan, what would make you think that ?
Also---only thing you have to go on is what Morrigan tells you....could be a complete lie
...what you do know is that you owe your pitiful life to Flemeth.

Uhm, nothing would make me think that EVERYONE is. But you asked why WOULD you kill her, and I provided what I thought was at least one very obvious, and proper role played, answer.

Modifié par FBG_Loke, 08 mai 2010 - 07:19 .

[Loc'n'lol]

Because she is an abomination in the eyes of the maker.

[tallinn]

Hysteria wrote...

caradoc2000 wrote...

Why would you fight her in the first place? She rescued you from the tower of Ishal and this is how you repay her??

Actually a really good point ....if you are 'role playing this game' and not just trying to kill everything you can....why would you kill her ?

That bill is already paid by listening to Morrigans misanthropic chatter with Wynne, Alistair, Lelianna (is there anyone in the party she has not insulted yet? Ah, yes, the dog.) on every bridge. (Flemeth should have warned me before, not after, allowing Morrigan to speak free.)

And after that Morrigan scores alone as she wants it, looks pretty, does damage  to enemies my warden encounters, keeps the bed warm for male wardens and pets the dog every now and then. Flemeth does none of that and even less.

And finally a character that does not object to Flemeth intent to take over her "daughter" in the middle of her life can't be grateful to anyone saving his life at the same time. He simply does not look at things that way. Basically he would refuse to do anything about it. He would just tell Morrigan to deal with Flemeth on their own. If he would promise Morrigan to go after Flemeth then not for the reason he feels an obligation to that old bat for saving his life but for the reason he does not want Morrigan to leave the party. losing a strong fighter that way. Then he may let Flemeth go just for the reason to avoid a maybe costly and for sure risky fight. My female rogue was tempted to deal with the affair that way. But then the chance to train on a high dragon.with the tipps given here.... And more dead bodies mean more loot.

[tallinn]

Dhraiauvessillus wrote...

Thank you for the help. I think using ranged attacks and 1 tank will be best for me. Me, Wynne, Zevran and Shale I think is best.
Or Sten, Ohgran or my dog to tank.

I will make Zevran a Ranger the first chance i get.

I find Sten and Shale so incredibly weak. Sten is lacking dex and constitution to provide a good tank or a good archer. In meele he gets hitted too often and bow damage is dex based. In any fight my warden was mit Sten he was down before anyone else including enemies. Shale is similar. Both are just strong looking. After recruiting them one needs a number of levels to get them into shape. Both need more dex and constitution to be of any value in a fight. Actually I use Sten as a wardrobe for heavy armor that will become the armor of Alistair once he has obtained enough strength. No need to carry that heavy stuff around in the almost always completely filled inventory.

Zevran on the other hand may be a good archer to fight the dragon (a better one then Alistair if you use dog as tank). Lacking any of the archer abilities he does nothing special that may attract aggro of the dragon. Furthermore he may stay in stealth while shooting (he should with just one more talent point given to stealth) if Flemeth does not count as elite boss), And he comes with enough dex to provide decent bow damage. As there are bows in the game that provide "rapid shot" to people lacking that special rogue talent use them if you have them. Short bows are sufficient in range for Flemeth hut and provide a higher shooting rate.

But actually Zevran comes as a melee rogue and such is better suited to
duelist as second spec. Lelianna on the other hand is a  much better
archer right from the start, the first mate to choose when going for Flemeth, and a perfect
ranger. WIth the summoned beast as tank she can almost safely archer
away solo. I got my first revenant down just after her becoming a
ranger. She was last (wo)man standing in that fight. Just as the wolf
was down she managed the final shot.

Wynne is a waste in the fight with Flemeth.As recommended here I had tactics so that any party member would use a health potion at 25% (and the dog on tank setting, potion at 50%). The dog used that once. All others used it never.  And if you use Wynne's offensive abilites like earthquake (useless vs. Flemeth), Stonefist or Petrify she will become your tank for the dragon wherever she stands. You do not want that. Get another archer into the fight instead. Anyone with sufficient dex to do good bow damage is fine. If you have Alistair or your warden developed as a tank they should have sufficient dex and strength.

And whatever else you do: spread your archering party so that a fire ball can't take down the whole group at once! I think that won me the game. Flemeth used this feature only once right at the start, when my archers started to get into position. I read in the dragon age wiki that one should just leave the party where it is after end of cut scene. That is wrong. You will get a fire ball every time Flemeth has it available.

[Kacynski]

The all archer strategy is for sure the best way to go for the first attempt you want to kill her. Works quite smoothly. Nevertheless the second or third time one might look for a greater challange and go all out melee .. what´s the point of having weapons that deal +10 damage to dragons if you never use them

Let Shale tank the dragon, have your party use Greater Fire Balms or other fire resistance gear, get good phyiscal resistance to avoid knockdown, have the 2h-Fighter be in the stance that avoids knockdown and stun (don't know the name right now) and watch the show. And, turn the aggro generating skills of your healer off in the tactics screen for that fight (Stonefist, Petrify, Crushing Prison ... whatever you have)



And on that line, I have to object, that Shale is weak. In fact I think she makes the best tank against dragons, as she is immune to grab and bite and can't be tossed in the air (I think Dog may be as well ..). Also Shale comes with a lot of Con allready and it´s easy to have some fire resistance on her, perfect for tanking a dragon. And, btw. until you have all shield talents developed and built up some decent dex - Shale makes a better tank than Alistair. He will outtank her late in the game with good armour and his skills developed. But early on, Shale's ahead of him

[tallinn]

Kacynski wrote...

And on that line, I have to object, that Shale is weak. In fact I think she makes the best tank against dragons, as she is immune to grab and bite and can't be tossed in the air (I think Dog may be as well ..). Also Shale comes with a lot of Con allready and it´s easy to have some fire resistance on her, perfect for tanking a dragon. And, btw. until you have all shield talents developed and built up some decent dex - Shale makes a better tank than Alistair. He will outtank her late in the game with good armour and his skills developed. But early on, Shale's ahead of him

Maybe I am screwing up Shale every time I use her. When I tried her vs Flemeth, she did a good job initially as a tank. However I then had not realized that I have to switch "Hold position" off to make her attacking the dragon continiously. And I did not spread my archers which seems to by my main fault in all failed attempts to fight Flemeth. Shale is indeed only lacking dex, not constitution.

The yunari sword is for dragon slaying, however that does not necessarily mean high dragon. The only dragon I encountered so far (have yet to finish the game with one of my characters) was in the upper ruins. This one would be a candidate for a use of that sword. The next one to meet if there is any surely will be.

As for the show I doubt that something can beat that look the dragon gave to the dog. I am sure Flemeth was smiling. To bad I missed to take a oicture.

But you are right, assembling a suboptimal group and run that through a task is interesting on its own. I tried three rouges and wynne for the urn of sacred ashes quest. So no tank, no spank. But Zevran stealth to scout and pull some scripted enemies into positions better suited for attacking them. And Lelianna got rid of all those traps and lure enemies into self-made traps by bow attacks. I tried every trick that I could think of. Fighting fair is lame.

[rheed]

Kacynski wrote...

The all archer strategy is for sure the best way to go for the first attempt you want to kill her. Works quite smoothly. Nevertheless the second or third time one might look for a greater challange and go all out melee .. what´s the point of having weapons that deal +10 damage to dragons if you never use them
Let Shale tank the dragon, have your party use Greater Fire Balms or other fire resistance gear, get good phyiscal resistance to avoid knockdown, have the 2h-Fighter be in the stance that avoids knockdown and stun (don't know the name right now) and watch the show. And, turn the aggro generating skills of your healer off in the tactics screen for that fight (Stonefist, Petrify, Crushing Prison ... whatever you have)

And on that line, I have to object, that Shale is weak. In fact I think she makes the best tank against dragons, as she is immune to grab and bite and can't be tossed in the air (I think Dog may be as well ..). Also Shale comes with a lot of Con allready and it´s easy to have some fire resistance on her, perfect for tanking a dragon. And, btw. until you have all shield talents developed and built up some decent dex - Shale makes a better tank than Alistair. He will outtank her late in the game with good armour and his skills developed. But early on, Shale's ahead of him

Sorry but, fire balms? Are you serious? With close to zero micromanagement ( it's not like you need to do anything with warriors when you are out of stamina just than autoattack ) you won't eat a single fireball, even your main tank as both high dragons only do fire attacks if there are more than 2-3 players close

Actually, considering is kind of gamebreaking, if you are bored and want to kill the dragon without problems, you can always Force field your tank once he has enough agro, but it has no point at all, I only did that to cancel the grab attack the first time I played ( Wynne sucked, and I didn't know how to play at all ), the second time it was completely a joke considering I killed the high dragon at lvl 20 ( both me & the dragon ).

Shale only have one problem, it lacks "options" as a tank at higher levels, you can't just simply compare a huge rock boulder with 3 skills ( with only one of them as an aoe stun ) versus someone with 3~ interrupt attacks, mass dispell, aoe knockback, group buffs ( as a tank ) and better gear ( sorry juggernaut+cailan arms+lifegiver+spellward > crystals ). Shale really shines as a multitask char, the good thing about her is throwing rocks+earthquake = total devastation

In DAO more life != better tank. But meh, if you play Awakening, Justice is just the most overpowered thing ever, It takes close to zero damage, with massive aggro, defenses and almost 900 life points >.<

Modifié par rheed, 14 mai 2010 - 03:43 .

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

1 Healer 1Archer my PC Two handed/Sword and sheild and shale with flawless fire crystals works everytime :0 Although i can pwn flemmeth with anything i tanked her on my duelest rogue before