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[SOLID_EVEREST]

The best writing has to be the Dwarf Noble I don't think any other origin can actually compares.



Alas, my favorites



1. Magi

2. Dalish-You kind of get the feeling of you against the world because you have hardly any connections... I just wish they intertwined it with the main story better. I think the Dalish elf is actually the toughest (next to the dwarf noble).



The rest were kind of underwhelming the human noble wasn't any fun, the city elf I thought was too much of a whiney wuss, and dwarf commoner was by far the dumbest.

[Rhys Cordelle]

Addai67 wrote...

 but the reason that I have a hard time connecting with it is because you have no family ties, and there is also not much in the outside world that your story is moving towards.

Yeah I think more should have been done with this. For instance, I think that if you're a human mage you should still be a Cousland. That would be a really easy way to tie the character into the story.

The elf mage is given the opportunity to state where they're from, which is either the alienage in Denerim, or their family were servants in Lothering.  Yet there's no one in the alienage or in Lothering that knows you. It's a shame really.


I'll give a bit of love to the Dalish Origin. It's certainly not my favourite, but I was impressed when, right off the bat, I get to shoot some shems. I also really liked the voice acting of the mage companion that joins you. A pity there wasn't a romance opportunity there. This origin provides a good opportunity to play as the reluctant hero, if you only join the Wardens for the sake of "curing" the taint.

Commoner Dwarf was so good when you don the armor and show everyone that one of the castless has the ancestors favor in the Proving.

Dwarf Noble gets my vote for best of the lot. The dialogue options are fantastic. I only wish that your return to Orzammar was more dramatic.

[sleepingbelow]

Addai67 wrote...
You make good points, but the reason that I have a hard time connecting with it is because you have no family ties, and there is also not much in the outside world that your story is moving towards.  I find it depressing that your best friends are Jowan and Cullen.  Of course, that is also part of the story, the idea that there is no one you've ever been able to trust.

I like that though.  Not to sound all angsty, but I connected with the loneliness of the character and felt it drove the character through the game.  I played mine as desperate for real friends.  The first two real companions he meets were like a bolt of electricity.  

First of all, you come from a place where people are mostly dour, distance, and cautious.  Alistair, whatever you may think of him by the end of the game, is the opposite of all of that.  And he's a templar.  A wise-cracking templar.  For a mage character, that's got to be about as novel as a talking horse that grants wishes.

And then there's Morrigan.  If you're a male character who's romancing her, it's like Lady and the Tramp.  Morrigan's a tramp that shows you how exciting it is to live without a leash.

Modifié par sleepingbelow, 08 mai 2010 - 07:50 .

[BigBad]

The one time I took Morrigan to the Circle Tower while playing a mage cemented my dislike for her. She's all, "Kill the mindless sheep and stack the bodies in the corner." And I'm like, "You know what, ****** off. I was raised here, trained by and alongside these people, -my- people, and while you look down on them, I'm a better mage than you'll ever be." I'm probably one of the few who plays his mage as being very dedicated to the Tower and the principals espoused by Irving, including hating blood magic and going straight to Irving during the origin after Jowan talks to you.

[sleepingbelow]

@BigBad

And that's totally legit. Like I said, I think the dichotomy between freedom vs. safety is often polarizing for players.

[sylvanaerie]

HN first because I like the entire feel of the game as a HN. Fall from grace (however undeserved) and having to restore your family's name/lands. Plus I REALLY really love the family in that one. Very warm and loving and close and they joke and teased each other but in a nice way. Bryce is one of my favorite NPCs and Fergus reminds me of my own older brother. Plus you get more Tim Curry lines (as Howe) than in any of the other origins as others don't meet him till later. And the Gauntlet scene with Bryce is the one I find the most emotionally powerful.

CE(as a female) The origin for this one is WONDERFULLY effective, grabbing at you almost immediately. Vaughan is a complete and utter slime and I am hard pressed to figure out if I dislike this guy or Howe more as a villian. Howe wins points for Tim Curry's VA and being more involved in the game but Vaughan was a skeevy rapist who kidnaps elves for his jollies. The rest of the game as a CE didn't involve me as much and the Gauntlet enoounter left me kind of "meh" considering Shianni wasn't killed. So I really love the ballsy CE origin but didn't care much for the rest of the story.

I recently did the Dwarf Noble and this time actually paid more attention to it. Wow...just...wow. The contrast of the DN family vs the HN family was shocking. Gorim is hands down the best origin companion you get though Soris and Mama Cousland come close. He had me with that first scene where he does the "lean" against the wall. I love that pose! And playing as a pampered warrior princess was a funny contrast for me. (I need an escort to go to the Provings where I can fight PLUS she is a commander fighting darkspawn) lol yea it was certainly a lot of fun and interesting. And when PC and Gorim part and share one last hug "appearances be damned" I actually teared up a little.
*Edit* and this was the ONLY origin where my PC actually REALLY really wanted to be a Gray Warden as the whole dwarven caste thing left her feeling very claustophobic and trapped.  Plus she was a middle child and it would have been a good way to "make her mark in the world".

Mage Origin I really enjoy mages but I have a hard time getting through this one. Either you are a backstabbing snitch or a complete idiot for trusting the blood mage. Through the game though there are a LOT of good RP moments. (Intimidation with a mage can lead to some really hilarious lines in the game and flirting with Teagan as a mage is EPIC!) and the whole forbidden love thing with Cullen was touching. Usually have my girls hook up with Alistair and it makes for a rather interesting pairing considering he was training to be a templar.

Dwarf commoner actually bored me. I wasn't as engaged with the story as I should have been it was more a "hurry through and get the achievement thing" I may go back and redo it and pay more attention to it. Plus Leske really annoys me. This one ties with Dalish for my least favorite.

Dalish my least favorite of the origins. It just seems rushed and I found it hard to relate to the Dalish. I don't like the whole "hate someone because of their race" thing. If I'm gonna hate on someone its going to be because of something THEY did to me not something their ancestors did a 1000 years ago. There is one good moment later in game when you encounter Tamlen otherwise its pretty lackluster as a story.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 08 mai 2010 - 11:42 .

[Terra_Ex]

City Elf (as a female PC) is probably the most evocative. Both Dwarf origins are pretty good and Human Noble has its moments and gives you an added incentive to administer justice on Howe.

[xedgorex]

After reading all of this im definitely itched to load up a Dwarf Noble again and tear it up.

[Sarah1281]

Oh right he does too. I sold it right away because I was playing a solo archer.

 You...sold the Shield of Aeducan? The most prized heirloom of your family wielded by the Paragon Aeducan himself when he drove back the darkspawn that were assaulting Orzammar itself? The one your father has Gorim give you with a note of explanation since he felt no one else deserved it? Just because you were an archer? Wow...you must have still been pissed about the whole exile thing then.

[sylvanaerie]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Oh right he does too. I sold it right away because I was playing a solo archer.

 You...sold the Shield of Aeducan? The most prized heirloom of your family wielded by the Paragon Aeducan himself when he drove back the darkspawn that were assaulting Orzammar itself? The one your father has Gorim give you with a note of explanation since he felt no one else deserved it? Just because you were an archer? Wow...you must have still been pissed about the whole exile thing then.

Umm I don't remember getting a shield? Is that after Ostagar when you see Gorim in Denerim? I remember getting turned out to the deep roads with the rags on my back and a dagger.

[soignee]

<----dwarf commoner! I loves it. You start out angry and pissed with the world, especially if you're a female Brosca.

[BHRamsay]

One thing I like about the Dalish Origin is how closely it resembles my fav anime movie .... Princess Mononoke ... there is even the common theme of seeing with eyes-unclouded-by-hate, as you try and resolve the conflict between the elves and the werewolves.

[Radahldo]

I would never contemplate selling that, omg.

I've only played Rogue DN's and don't even let my party-members use it--even where it would really uesful-- cause they don't deserve to touch it.

[Sarah1281]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Oh right he does too. I sold it right away because I was playing a solo archer.

 You...sold the Shield of Aeducan? The most prized heirloom of your family wielded by the Paragon Aeducan himself when he drove back the darkspawn that were assaulting Orzammar itself? The one your father has Gorim give you with a note of explanation since he felt no one else deserved it? Just because you were an archer? Wow...you must have still been pissed about the whole exile thing then.

Umm I don't remember getting a shield? Is that after Ostagar when you see Gorim in Denerim? I remember getting turned out to the deep roads with the rags on my back and a dagger.

Yes, when you find Gorim in Denerim he gives it to you along with a note from your father that explains why he fed you to darkpawn.

I would never contemplate selling that, omg.

I've only played Rogue DN's and don't even let my party-members use it--even where it would really uesful-- cause they don't deserve to touch it.

I'm the same way when it comes to that... But really, it's just a shield to them, not an epic symbol so why should they get to touch it?

[Dokarqt]

Hmm, favourite would be either human noble or dwarf noble. City elf is really good but it feels very short and incomplete.



Least favourite would have to be the mage origin. Most boring origin in the game.

[sylvanaerie]

Sarah1281 wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Oh right he does too. I sold it right away because I was playing a solo archer.

 You...sold the Shield of Aeducan? The most prized heirloom of your family wielded by the Paragon Aeducan himself when he drove back the darkspawn that were assaulting Orzammar itself? The one your father has Gorim give you with a note of explanation since he felt no one else deserved it? Just because you were an archer? Wow...you must have still been pissed about the whole exile thing then.

Umm I don't remember getting a shield? Is that after Ostagar when you see Gorim in Denerim? I remember getting turned out to the deep roads with the rags on my back and a dagger.

Yes, when you find Gorim in Denerim he gives it to you along with a note from your father that explains why he fed you to darkpawn.

I would never contemplate selling that, omg.

I've only played Rogue DN's and don't even let my party-members use it--even where it would really uesful-- cause they don't deserve to touch it.

I'm the same way when it comes to that... But really, it's just a shield to them, not an epic symbol so why should they get to touch it?

I just wish you could resolve things with your dad before he dies. At least Harrowmont gets to tell him that you were innocent of the crime (if you were). 

[Sarah1281]

sylvanaerie wrote...

I just wish you could resolve things with your dad before he dies. At least Harrowmont gets to tell him that you were  innocent of the crime (if you were). 

If you really think about what his note tells you, though, and his explanation for your exile...well, he's probably lucky that he died before I got back as by all accounts he wasted away from grief and guilt and a family reunion would not have gone the way he'd have hoped.  I mean, seriously, you find out he screws you over at three different times.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Human and Dwarf noble for me.

[soignee]

Sarah1281 wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

I just wish you could resolve things with your dad before he dies. At least Harrowmont gets to tell him that you were  innocent of the crime (if you were). 

If you really think about what his note tells you, though, and his explanation for your exile...well, he's probably lucky that he died before I got back as by all accounts he wasted away from grief and guilt and a family reunion would not have gone the way he'd have hoped.  I mean, seriously, you find out he screws you over at three different times.

lolno, Bhelen poisoned him.

[DrAbysmal]

 I liked the Dalish origin actually, even though it seems the most hated. I really didn't get the feeling that you were being thrown out of the clan - nobody ever blamed you for what happened to Tamlen and your fate was either painful death or trying your luck with the Wardens. They would rather have you live, if not with them, than watch you die of the taint. As for what Duncan was impressed with, you were able to resist the taint for three days and still be in fighting shape, and you killed a handful of darkspawn without wavering (I was waiting to tell Alistair that I had indeed fought darkspawn before but unfortunately all he cared about was my being female). That gives him some confidence you'd live through the Joining at least.
You don't have to play a human hater, either. It's easy enough to just let the guys go at the beginning and you can treat Duncan with respect.

[Sarah1281]

soignee wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

I just wish you could resolve things with your dad before he dies. At least Harrowmont gets to tell him that you were  innocent of the crime (if you were). 

If you really think about what his note tells you, though, and his explanation for your exile...well, he's probably lucky that he died before I got back as by all accounts he wasted away from grief and guilt and a family reunion would not have gone the way he'd have hoped.  I mean, seriously, you find out he screws you over at three different times.

lolno, Bhelen poisoned him.

I kind of doubt that. I mean, everyone was afraid he would so they wouldn't let him near the King. Harrowmont had the opportunity, though. And if Endrin really wanted to weaken Bhelen's claim then getting people to think he committed patricide and regicide on top of the rumors of fratricide is a sound move.

Endrin really made me mad, though. I mean, it was bad enough when he thought you killed Trian when you didn't or at least you didn't unprovoked. Then you find out he never thought you were guilty (even if you were) and was willing to get you killed to prevent a scandal from costing your family the throne. THEN you find out that while the throne is more important than your life, he can't go through with giving it to Bhelen and so he convinces someone from another House to try and stop Bhelen from taking the throne?!?! What he suspects Bhelen did to Trian and to you aren't enough but his suspicions that Bhelen's progressive is? Worst. Father. Ever.

[sylvanaerie]

I dunno...this game has some pretty sh*tty father's in it. But ya compared to someone like Bryce Cousland (who gets between his adult child and Duncan to protect him/her from the GW) yea he's pretty bad. So far though my L Aeducan hasn't gotten past Ostagar (she is about to do her Joining) so she doesn't know yet how bad it was. Its really a shame. I played her as kind of an innocent who really wasn't into the whole backstabbing Dwarven politics thing. She REALLY wanted out of that, prefereably with Gorim. She asked Duncan two seconds after meeting him if she could join the GW's.

It must be a pretty crappy life to always have to look over your shoulder wondering who is going to stick a knife in it.

[rhautanen]

I like them all to some extent. Each one gives me different options for creating a persona that I can get into and believe in enough to get engrossed. My fave is probably the Dalish. I get to whoop on some spawn before Ostagar, so I'm not a total rookie when I get there and it's not outlandish that I immediately become the squad leader. Something compelling too about the fact that I have to "join" because I'm already infected, and not because I want to or I'm being threatened by the authorities.

[Sarah1281]

sylvanaerie wrote...

I dunno...this game has some pretty sh*tty father's in it. But ya compared to someone like Bryce Cousland (who gets between his adult child and Duncan to protect him/her from the GW) yea he's pretty bad. So far though my L Aeducan hasn't gotten past Ostagar (she is about to do her Joining) so she doesn't know yet how bad it was. Its really a shame. I played her as kind of an innocent who really wasn't into the whole backstabbing Dwarven politics thing. She REALLY wanted out of that, prefereably with Gorim. She asked Duncan two seconds after meeting him if she could join the GW's.
It must be a pretty crappy life to always have to look over your shoulder wondering who is going to stick a knife in it.

I think you'd be hardpressed to find a father in the game who does something worse then feed their favorite child to darkspawn to avoid a scandal and knowingly reward the kid who actually did it...and then changing his mind at the last second, making the exile/presumed death completely pointless.

My DN liked politics a lot more and felt no problem with the backstabbing and scewing people over as all of the other nobles knew what they were getting into the same as she did but that was just as bad on the betrayal front as Gorim and her father were the only two people she trusted not to screw her over. Bhelen's betrayal? It sucked but she knew the score. Gorim did betray you a little if you did his romance by getting married but was still loyal to you and Endrin...he was the King and she was the favorite so she honestly didn't see how he would have had a motive for screwing he over and if it hadn't been for him trying to keep the scandal Bhelen caused quiet he probably wouldn't have.

That betrayal you find out about in pieces. Having you arrested was pretty much a given when you're found standing over the body but when you're told by both Gorim and Harrowmont (who surprisingly turns out more loyal than your own father)  that he had retreated to the Palace when he was the only one who could actually ensure you a trial was the first part. Finding Gorim in Denerim happened some time later if Gorim had time to marry a surface girl and get he pregnant and going to Orzammar we're told was a year after you left. Maybe she shouldn't have expected anything more from her father but she did and that's why his betrayal was harder to deal with than Bhelen's 'yeah, well, you were standing between me and the crown.'