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[Addai]

BigBad wrote...

The one time I took Morrigan to the Circle Tower while playing a mage cemented my dislike for her. She's all, "Kill the mindless sheep and stack the bodies in the corner." And I'm like, "You know what, ****** off. I was raised here, trained by and alongside these people, -my- people, and while you look down on them, I'm a better mage than you'll ever be." I'm probably one of the few who plays his mage as being very dedicated to the Tower and the principals espoused by Irving, including hating blood magic and going straight to Irving during the origin after Jowan talks to you.

Little tip:  Don't take Shale with you, either. 

[Haranalee]

HN, definitely was the best integrated origin in my opinion. It made the greater storyline so very personal and satisfying -- the meeting in Denerim where Loghain and Howe stroll in all casual I was like "hold me back! I'm going to KILL that mother******!!" Also it's lovely to have connections to the world and it's denizens rather than being some obscure figure that against all odds rises to greatness. This was a character who had a very big stake in the outcome of not only the saving of Ferelden, but also the question of who takes the throne. I could see that the Dwarf Noble origin would have been pleasing in the same way but the main story in DAO was on the surface, so it was not quite the same.



I adored the emotional engagement I felt playing an HN. I did want to go take back my Teyrnir personally, though.

[Aisynia]

City Elf is my favorite by a longshot.

[Costin_Razvan]

Because of the personal issue you had similar to the one in that origin? Truthfully that one leaves a very bitter taste in my mouth, no matter how I choose to play it. Still I consider it a very good origin for what it shows, rare for a thing like that to be shown in a game but whatever.



Beyond that I consider most of the other origins very good as well. Save for the Dalish Elf one. Sure it shows how you are connected to your clan and all that, but so does the City Elf one with the Dwarf Commoner and Human noble to a lesser extent. It also is very weak in the sense that none recognizes the actions you did in that origin, so in a sense you might as well be a city elf with no backstory.

[Swoo]

BigBad wrote...

The one time I took Morrigan to the Circle Tower while playing a mage cemented my dislike for her. She's all, "Kill the mindless sheep and stack the bodies in the corner." And I'm like, "You know what, ****** off. I was raised here, trained by and alongside these people, -my- people, and while you look down on them, I'm a better mage than you'll ever be." I'm probably one of the few who plays his mage as being very dedicated to the Tower and the principals espoused by Irving, including hating blood magic and going straight to Irving during the origin after Jowan talks to you.

See, I played my mage pretty much the complete opposite in the tower (and life outside it) which gave me a totally different outlook on my character and game experience. I wasn't sure what I was going to do with Jowan until I talked with him, finding out that we had been friends since about age four, that his mother used to call him 'it' and 'that monster' and refuse to knowledge he existed, that he just wanted to get away from it all and start up a new life on a farm somewhere with Lily, and I knew I wasn't going to betray him to Irving. I actually did feel a little bad because the brand new senior enchanter who signed the rod form for me I knew I was going to probably land in deep crap with my escapades but oh well..

Getting to the final breakout, I pretty much played my Mage as rather loyal to the Magi and Irving, but completely disrespectful towards the Chantry and the noose they keep in place around the mages neck. So my guy was pretty much on the fast track to an execution by the time Duncan stepped in and recruited me, and I gave a parting shot to Greagoir and a final thank you to Irving on my way out the door.

Talking to Morrigan later about Mages and the Circle, I agreed with the 'gilded cage comment'. We butted heads a few times on a few topics, agreeing that Magic was meant to be free, so when she made that comment in the circle you pretty much get a reply to throw back in her face that makes her question that outlook ever so slightly (Mother said people are what they are meant to be, Im not sure if I agree with that...or along those lines). So it wasn't taken as harsh in my playthrough as yours I guess. The comment that is, heh.

Plus my Mage really bought into the 'Whatever it takes to win', picking up Arcane Warrior (Because I just see seasoned Grey Warden Mages knowing how to use a blade and in leathers at least, your mileage may vary) and tapping into Blood Magic, because as you tell the Blood Mage on the second or third floor, being a Maleficar just means you kill Darkspawn more easily.

And obviously the Magi origin is my favorite. Starting off in a mental duel vs a demon, being immersed in the fade, trapped between two political/religious factions, thrust into the Warden ranks as your only way out, it was really well done. And Jowan had some great growth for me as a NPC; The I'm so screwed let's make a break for it, The I've screwed everything up let me do something to help, to the Fade and laying a whipping down on the Demon, to seeing him at the very end marching with the Magi to Denerim.

[BigBad]

As soon as Jowan confessed that people suspected him of being a blood mage, my character instantly knew he couldn't afford to get involved. Blood magic is an automatic death sentence, and it's definitely not a charge or rumor that anyone in the Tower would start lightly. So, I went to Irving and danced around the topic, until Irving confirmed that Jowan had been confirmed as a blood mage. After that, my path was set. Helping a blood mage is too big a risk. After returning to the Tower and seeing what Uldred and his conspirators had made of it, my mage decided then and there that blood magic may be powerful, but it's just not remotely worth the risks and likely to cause more damage than it stems.

[webbedfeet]

BigBad wrote...

The one time I took Morrigan to the Circle Tower while playing a mage cemented my dislike for her. She's all, "Kill the mindless sheep and stack the bodies in the corner." And I'm like, "You know what, ****** off. I was raised here, trained by and alongside these people, -my- people, and while you look down on them, I'm a better mage than you'll ever be." I'm probably one of the few who plays his mage as being very dedicated to the Tower and the principals espoused by Irving, including hating blood magic and going straight to Irving during the origin after Jowan talks to you.

That's exactly what happened to mine, who was played somewhat similarly. He doesn't hate blood magic and doesn't believe all that Irving says, but he's very dedicated to his Circle and he's a better DPSer/CCer than Morrigan, dammit. He was very smitten with her before. Things kind of cooled down after that (although he eventually forgave her, looked for her book, and they went on being friends. Mo-mo's always one of my mages' Special People.)

How fortuitous that a ridiculously funny elf who speaks the exactly right idea about gilded cages and freedom appeared immediately after that. Cough.

P.S. It's really odd : The Magi origin isn't my favourite or anything, although Mage is my favourite run-through, but it's the one where I feel the sense of 'family' the keenest. Perhaps it's exactly because it's entirely in your head, and these are just people who live their entire lives together out of necessity. If you're willing to play at it that way, then it can become as real a family as the Couslands, albeit one with extremely different interpersonal rules, oppression and dystunctionality.  (Before you ask : My favourite origin is the Dwarven Noble. Politics FTW.)

Modifié par webbedfeet, 08 mai 2010 - 07:56 .

[DebatableBubble]

[quote]BigBad wrote...

The one time I took Morrigan to the Circle Tower while playing a mage cemented my dislike for her. She's all, "Kill the mindless sheep and stack the bodies in the corner." And I'm like, "You know what, ****** off. I was raised here, trained by and alongside these people, -my- people, and while you look down on them, I'm a better mage than you'll ever be." I'm probably one of the few who plays his mage as being very dedicated to the Tower and the principals espoused by Irving, including hating blood magic and going straight to Irving during the origin after Jowan talks to you.[/quote]

See, I played my mage pretty much the complete opposite in the tower (and life outside it) which gave me a totally different outlook on my character and game experience. I wasn't sure what I was going to do with Jowan until I talked with him, finding out that we had been friends since about age four, that his mother used to call him 'it' and 'that monster' and refuse to knowledge he existed, that he just wanted to get away from it all and start up a new life on a farm somewhere with Lily, and I knew I wasn't going to betray him to Irving. I actually did feel a little bad because the brand new senior enchanter who signed the rod form for me I knew I was going to probably land in deep crap with my escapades but oh well..

Getting to the final breakout, I pretty much played my Mage as rather loyal to the Magi and Irving, but completely disrespectful towards the Chantry and the noose they keep in place around the mages neck. So my guy was pretty much on the fast track to an execution by the time Duncan stepped in and recruited me, and I gave a parting shot to Greagoir and a final thank you to Irving on my way out the door.

Talking to Morrigan later about Mages and the Circle, I agreed with the 'gilded cage comment'. We butted heads a few times on a few topics, agreeing that Magic was meant to be free, so when she made that comment in the circle you pretty much get a reply to throw back in her face that makes her question that outlook ever so slightly (Mother said people are what they are meant to be, Im not sure if I agree with that...or along those lines). So it wasn't taken as harsh in my playthrough as yours I guess. The comment that is, heh.

Plus my Mage really bought into the 'Whatever it takes to win', picking up Arcane Warrior (Because I just see seasoned Grey Warden Mages knowing how to use a blade and in leathers at least, your mileage may vary) and tapping into Blood Magic, because as you tell the Blood Mage on the second or third floor, being a Maleficar just means you kill Darkspawn more easily.

And obviously the Magi origin is my favorite. Starting off in a mental duel vs a demon, being immersed in the fade, trapped between two political/religious factions, thrust into the Warden ranks as your only way out, it was really well done. And Jowan had some great growth for me as a NPC; The I'm so screwed let's make a break for it, The I've screwed everything up let me do something to help, to the Fade and laying a whipping down on the Demon, to seeing him at the very end marching with the Magi to Denerim.

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Wait, Jowan participates in the final battle?
I thought that he either gets executed or he goes to the Circle for them to decide what to do with him.

[DebatableBubble]

GAH!! Sorry, the whole post is supposed to be quoted except for my little reply at the bottom.

[Swoo]

falloutseriesfan wrote...
Wait, Jowan participates in the final battle?
I thought that he either gets executed or he goes to the Circle for them to decide what to do with him.

You see him marching with the Mages on the way to Denerim. He's on the right side, front, iirc.

[BigBad]

I was surprised to see him as well, since I thought that he'd be made Tranquil when I gave him back to the Circle. Maybe Irving had a change of heart.

[Swoo]

BigBad wrote...

As soon as Jowan confessed that people suspected him of being a blood mage, my character instantly knew he couldn't afford to get involved. Blood magic is an automatic death sentence, and it's definitely not a charge or rumor that anyone in the Tower would start lightly. So, I went to Irving and danced around the topic, until Irving confirmed that Jowan had been confirmed as a blood mage. After that, my path was set. Helping a blood mage is too big a risk. After returning to the Tower and seeing what Uldred and his conspirators had made of it, my mage decided then and there that blood magic may be powerful, but it's just not remotely worth the risks and likely to cause more damage than it stems.

I can understand that, but as Duncan says 'It's a rare person indeed that will risk everything for a friend in need'. I wasn't too sold on Blood Magic = Evil (Even though they seem to paint it nonstop as such through the game) and instead focused more on the Crow ideology that the sword is just a tool, it's the hand that's good or evil. So he could have told me he was a BM and I would have sprung him anyway, Magic should be free, Down with the Chantry, rah rah and all that

[Nerdage]

My favourite origins are the one where it feels like you actually impress Duncan, which (for me) excludes dalish and magi (unfortunate, since mage is my favourite class...). Of the ones that are left I don't really like play dwarfs, which excludes my favourite origin story-wise, dwarf noble (plus it's probably the only time you see Duncan supprised). Human noble annoys me a bit, since it feels to me like Duncan came to test Ser Gilmore but picked you up since you're all that's left, despite what he says.

Leaving city elf; my favourite. When you ask Duncan how he knows Valendrian, then start talking about your mother and he says something like "She passed her skills on to you, didn't she?" I got the impression that he came specifically to see you, I can't imagine he turned up on the off chance that he might find someone in an area where weapons are all but forbidden and, considering there's a blight on the way, I doubt it was a social call. I just wish they'd give you more of Adaia's story, it sounds quite interesting, more so than even the pc's until after Ostagar.

Modifié par nerdage, 08 mai 2010 - 09:52 .

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Beyond that I consider most of the other origins very good as well. Save for the Dalish Elf one. Sure it shows how you are connected to your clan and all that, but so does the City Elf one with the Dwarf Commoner and Human noble to a lesser extent. It also is very weak in the sense that none recognizes the actions you did in that origin, so in a sense you might as well be a city elf with no backstory.

You do get a small- and for me very emotional and shocking- recognition in the later event with Tamlen.  But I think you mean that it doesn't tie in as much to the larger story.

It would be interesting if you got to report to someone later about the mirror.  Your character glimpsed the Black City, after all.

Edit:  I'll add that one of my favorite things about the Dalish origin is the poetic feel of the final battle.  I usually call out the Dalish army anyway for their ranged attack, but a Dalish Grey Warden leading a Dalish army to battle the archdemon alongside the King of Ferelden and other human allies just has a very epic sense to it.

Modifié par Addai67, 08 mai 2010 - 09:07 .

[phaonica]

Addai67 wrote...

You do get a small- and for me very emotional and shocking- recognition in the later event with Tamlen.  But I think you mean that it doesn't tie in as much to the larger story.

Yeah, the Dalish origin is pretty underwhelming except for the Tamlen story. Either the Dalish origin should have had something to do with the werewolves, or the mirror should have been part of the "gather the Dalish Army" story, imo.

[Axekix]

HNM and CEF for me, though I actually haven't done DN yet. I should give that a try.

[Sarah1281]

Axekix wrote...

HNM and CEF for me, though I actually haven't done DN yet. I should give that a try.

Oh, definitely.

[Addai]

phaonica wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

You do get a small- and for me very emotional and shocking- recognition in the later event with Tamlen.  But I think you mean that it doesn't tie in as much to the larger story.

Yeah, the Dalish origin is pretty underwhelming except for the Tamlen story. Either the Dalish origin should have had something to do with the werewolves, or the mirror should have been part of the "gather the Dalish Army" story, imo.

I wonder if there were plans at one point to have it more integrated.  It would explain why Tamlen will say you were supposed to be spending the day with Master Varathorn.

[phaonica]

I had just hoped that upon playing the Dalish origin, that I would empathize with their plight more, and not feel like they were kind of jerks. But that didn't really happen...

I can't decide whether I like the City Elf or Dwarven Noble origin best. Human Noble is my favorite play-through, but not necessarily my favorite origin. And I haven't played DN to the end yet, either, so we'll see.

Modifié par phaonica, 08 mai 2010 - 09:36 .

[Rhys Cordelle]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Oh right he does too. I sold it right away because I was playing a solo archer.

 You...sold the Shield of Aeducan? The most prized heirloom of your family wielded by the Paragon Aeducan himself when he drove back the darkspawn that were assaulting Orzammar itself? The one your father has Gorim give you with a note of explanation since he felt no one else deserved it? Just because you were an archer? Wow...you must have still been pissed about the whole exile thing then.

Actually I don't think I did get it. I just checked Gorims stock and it isn't there, and I sell everything to him because he's so generous to his former lover

Maybe it depends on the dialogue options you choose? I didn't congratulate him on finding love and ask about meeting his new wife or anything because I was too upset.

[Sarah1281]

I think he gives you the shield before anything else. An easy way to tell is to go to your codex and see if under notes you have a letter from King Endrin, which is his explanation to you.

[thegreateski]

Should be a poll . . .



Mage and Dwarf commoner

[Carmen_Willow]

Sabariel wrote...

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

Halfno wrote...

I loved the dwarf noble origin. First time I played I almost crapped my pants once I figured out I had been tricked into killing my own brother. Gorim is simply badass.

Wait, what? So you can actually kill Trian yourself? I've played it twice and both times I just walked into the setup and found him dead already.

And yeah, Gorim rocks. Once I become Warden Commander I fully intend to return to Denerim and invoke the Right of Conscription on his ass.

If you believe Bhelen without question and intend to act against Trian you will come upon Trian alive. You'll exchange words then be forced to kill Trian just in time for Daddy Aeducan to show up.

Wow, totally did not know you could play it that way.  It would put a whole different spin on the entire origin....Just got finished with Dwarf Noble too.

I love Human Noble for the satisfying revenge scene later. And Mom simply rocks!

I loved City Elf because you can come home again and say Hi to your Dad.  One of the only two stories where you have a parent left alive.  I know about coming home to family in the military, so this resonated with me.

Haven't played Dwarf Commoner all the way through yet.  Thought the origin story was good.

Found Dalish Elf not as much fun, but did like the farewell scene in camp.

Mage -- needed someone you really cared about that you had to leave behind to make it work.  Didn't really care about Jowan....

[Carmen_Willow]

Addai67 wrote...

phaonica wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

You do get a small- and for me very emotional and shocking- recognition in the later event with Tamlen.  But I think you mean that it doesn't tie in as much to the larger story.

Yeah, the Dalish origin is pretty underwhelming except for the Tamlen story. Either the Dalish origin should have had something to do with the werewolves, or the mirror should have been part of the "gather the Dalish Army" story, imo.

I wonder if there were plans at one point to have it more integrated.  It would explain why Tamlen will say you were supposed to be spending the day with Master Varathorn.

I think they could do an entire game on what happened to the elves at the time the Arcane Warrior became entombed in his crystal.  Also, the Avarrs (sp?).  Of course, it wouldn't be Dragon Age, but wow, wouldn't you like to play out that scenario?  I would.  I'd love to know what was so terrible.  Who built those ruins?  How were they lost.  There is a whole game in that story.  Fall of the empire, downfall of an entire civilization. Epic.

[sleepingbelow]

thegreateski wrote...

Should be a poll . . .

Mage and Dwarf commoner

Hey, me too.  Anyway, here's a poll if anybody else wants to use it.

I didn't divide it very specifically or differentiate between elf and human mage.  If anybody else wants to make one as specific as "Elf Mage Female" and "Dwarf Commoner Male", I'll vote in that one too.  But I figured a simple one would suffice.

EDIT-  Hurmmm... should I have added Orlesian Warden?  Does anybody actually have that one as their favorite?

Modifié par sleepingbelow, 08 mai 2010 - 10:19 .