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[Willowhugger]

Fellow posters,

Another Loghain thread.

*runs away from the debris thrown at him*

In this case, this is basically a thread to discuss whether or not Loghain should be executed at the Landsmeet.  Alistair takes it out of your hands if you put him in the duel.  However, otherwise, you have a choice of whether or not to kill the former hero.

Which way do you prefer?  Mercy or retribution?

Take note that imprisonment really isn't all that practical in the Medieval Era.  Arguably, for Loghain, its a fate worse than death too.

[KnightofPhoenix]

This is your third Loghain thread. Can't you stick to one?

Furthermore there is already a thread discussing it now.

[Willowhugger]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

This is your third Loghain thread. Can't you stick to one?
Furthermore there is already a thread discussing it now.

Yes, sort of off topic.

Ergo, a thread for it.

[Vicious]

If you are a hero who always takes the good path, you will give him a second chance and spare him. He makes good on that second chance.

If you are a pragmatist, you might spare him. Or might not. Weigh your options and decide if he is worth the risk.

If your actions are guided by emotions, then kill him.

If you are an evil jerk, kill him and laugh maniacally as Anora dies inside.

It's really simple. Letting Loghain live is not the 'evil' choice as many claim, it is in fact the opposite. You are simultaneously keeping Alistair out of harm's way and keeping your ranks strong with Wardens.


And if you are a true hero you let Loghain live, and refuse to let him die killing the Archdemon, taking the final blow yourself.

Precious few true heroes around, however.

Modifié par Vicious, 09 mai 2010 - 05:00 .

[BigBad]

I almost always execute him. Riordan's claim that the more Wardens, the better, is kinda bull, since Alistair makes it very clear at the Landsmeet (even completely disregarding meta knowledge) that if you recruit Loghain, he's not gonna have anything more to do with the Wardens. So, whatever you decide, you're not actually going to have more than three Wardens. Loghain has a reputation as a 'warrior and general of renown', but he's spent the entire game utterly failing to see -any- of his plans through, and you have just beaten him down in front of the entire Landsmeet. Nothing about him inspires confidence in his character or, more importantly, his judgment. Personally, my PCs tend to be entirely unable to trust Loghain at their back, and a certain confidence has to be there for effective comrades-in-arms. Alistair has proven his character, judgment, and skill at arms. It's not even remotely a hard decision for me.

[CalJones]

Hooray! Time to wheel this out again.







I let him live almost always, as I've said numerous times before. My reasoning: 1) executing a man in front of his own daughter is unnecessarily brutal. 2) Most of my characters are merciful (I generally spare Sten, Zevran, the female blood mage in the Circle Tower, the assassin leader who tries to kill Leliana and so forth. Sometimes even Caladrius). After that, sparing Loghain is just logical. 3) He's done a lot for Fereldan in the past and deserves a second chance. Were it not for Loghain, Maric would have died and Alistair wouldn't even exist, so Alistair can throw all his toys out of the pram if he wants - but I'm not killing a war hero just to please him, 4) From a metagaming perspective, I like Loghain more than I like Alistair.

[Ash Wind]

Executed...



- Murder of the rightful King

- Attempted Murder of Arl Eamon

- Attempted Murder of the Surviving Grey Wardens

- Selling Elfs

- Framing Grey Wardens

- Employing that whinny little DB who is trying to get into Orzammar

- Accessory to the Murder of the Cousland Family and Palace Staff (Based on the fact that, IMO, the only reason Howe moves on Highever is because he knows Calin won't survive the battle of Ostagar to exact justice, its been predetermined.)

Among others... Given any one I could see the case for a pardon, but combine them and regardless of his past service to Ferelden, he sooooo needs to be killed.

[Sannox]

It's difficult for me to see the good in executing him without some sort of a trial, at least. It's not a battle situation where he would be a danger if not dispatched quickly. He has yielded and has not yet had time to give his defense.

There are plenty of other reasons not to execute him (his daughter standing next to him and his usefulness), but even if he is going to be executed, I believe that then and there isn't the time and place to do it.

Modifié par Sannox, 09 mai 2010 - 08:15 .

[brewmaster]

I agree. In general you need some kind of trial. Killing him at the landsmeet would be an act of self-administered justice.

But I think that rule of law and such things are not important in Ferelden. Just slay him gruesomely and spill his guts all over the landsmeet if you are eager to do so.



By the way: Alistair shows no compassion and mercy for Loghain. That makes him rather a tyrant than a king. There are other possible punishments besides death penalty.

[Tuvon]

I have killed him in the past but i intend to make a human noble character and have him wed logains daughter. In that situation i'll let him live then let him do the death blow on the arch demon to redeem himself. that should keep his doughter happy seeing him die a hero instead of being executed,

[Xandurpein]

All depends on the character I play. but usually I let him live. A Cousland doesn't kill a man in cold blood when he has yielded, and there is no love affair with Alistair to cloud the issue, so that is that.



If I play a city elf it's a completely different story though.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I swing both ways on the issue:devil:

[Nerdage]

When I first dueled Loghain I accepted his surrender but, for the first time ever in a game, an npc (Alistair) managed talked me out of doing something. Usually in a game once I make my mind up I don't change it unless some new information comes up, but I've never simply been persuaded before, but it was mainly because I'd all but forgotten about Duncan and Ostagar until Alistair reminded me, when I had a bit of an "Oh right, that..." moment and killed him, and have done ever since, or I have Alistair duel him if it doesn't suit my character to kill somebody out of vengance.

Modifié par nerdage, 09 mai 2010 - 12:02 .

[nos_astra]

Willowhugger wrote...
Which way do you prefer?  Mercy or retribution?

It's more a question if I prefer death or irony as a fitting punishment.

Modifié par klarabella, 09 mai 2010 - 12:46 .

[brewmaster]

A fitting punishment would be to put him in a chantry robe and let him fight an ogre alone. He is a hero after all, he deserves a heroic death - in a chantry robe.

[nos_astra]

brewmaster wrote...
A fitting punishment would be to put him in a chantry robe and let him fight an ogre alone. He is a hero after all, he deserves a heroic death - in a chantry robe.

I wonder if the magic wand mod can put him in a Chantry robe at the Landsmeet.. :happy:

[ashez2ashes]

I execute him. Someone who would sell his own people into slavery for a quick buck is not someone I'd want watching my back. A lot of the other things he's done can be excused for the 'good of Ferelden' but not that. That reason alone is why a good character would kill him.

[Ramante]

I only kill Loghain when I want my Warden to marry Alistair. >>



After reading 'the stolen throne' I really like Loghain, well I always liked him but after reading the book I like him even more. His party banters are great (especially with Zevran).

I've never had the guts to 'remove' Alistair from the game so he is always forced to marry Anora.. Loghain always dies in the Archdemon fight, but I'm planning on saving him once with the DR so I can see him in Awakening. x3

[EnchantedEyes1]

I used to execute him at the Landsmeet because both Alistair and I had conveniently forgotten that our first duty was the blight, not vengeance. Duncan had said this clearly to my HN when she wanted revenge against Howe.

After reading the Stolen Throne, there is no way I can ever execute him at the Landsmeet again. If Alistair wants to turn his back on his country then he can live with that burden. Loghain deserves a chance to redeem himself or at the very least, be sentenced by someone not seeking vengeance.

I'm now working on a playthrough with the DR as well as I look forward to seeing him in DAA.

[Lady Jess]

Willowhugger wrote...

Fellow posters,

Another Loghain thread.

*runs away from the debris thrown at him*

In this case, this is basically a thread to discuss whether or not Loghain should be executed at the Landsmeet.  Alistair takes it out of your hands if you put him in the duel.  However, otherwise, you have a choice of whether or not to kill the former hero.

Which way do you prefer?  Mercy or retribution?

Take note that imprisonment really isn't all that practical in the Medieval Era.  Arguably, for Loghain, its a fate worse than death too.

I've done both. Usually I kill him but my one HNF went a bit far. She had spoken to him at Ostagar, and knew that he knew what Howe did to her family, yet rewarded him over and over. Along with killing the man that saved my life that night, and killing the king. So, she let him join the wardens, made him do the DR. She then left him at the gates during the final battle, he ended up recruiting, and will end up posted in Orlais. It's the closest to "To the pain" I could get.

Everyone else lops his head

[Lady Jess]

Willowhugger wrote...

Fellow posters,

Another Loghain thread.

*runs away from the debris thrown at him*

In this case, this is basically a thread to discuss whether or not Loghain should be executed at the Landsmeet.  Alistair takes it out of your hands if you put him in the duel.  However, otherwise, you have a choice of whether or not to kill the former hero.

Which way do you prefer?  Mercy or retribution?

Take note that imprisonment really isn't all that practical in the Medieval Era.  Arguably, for Loghain, its a fate worse than death too.

I've done both. Usually I kill him but my one HNF went a bit far. She had spoken to him at Ostagar, and knew that he knew what Howe did to her family, yet rewarded him over and over. Along with killing the man that saved my life that night, and killing the king. So, she let him join the wardens, made him do the DR. She then left him at the gates during the final battle, he ended up recruiting, and will end up posted in Orlais. It's the closest to "To the pain" I could get.

Everyone else lops his head right off

[CalJones]

The irony is that Duncan himself was conscripted into the Wardens as a punishment. (The particularls of that are in The Calling, if you're interested).

[Lord Talen]

Treason is treason is treason. No court or trial needed - it's already been proven. Off with his head.

[Trintrin86]

Duncan almost certainly would have chosen to recruit Loghain if he were at the Landsmeet.



Sadly, it's all Loghain's fault Duncan isn't there to save him.



Seriously, it depends on what character I'm playing. My Dwarf char and my Dalish elf char had no problem letting Loghain live, I saw them as being far less offended by the man than other Origins. I had a hard time justifying it as Human Noble, City Elf or Mage, and it wasn't just because of romances with Alistair.



Also, if Riordan wants Loghain so bad why doesn't he invoke the Rite? He's Mr Senior Warden and I'm just the new punk kid.