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[Jack Package]

During Tali's trial Shepard has several possible choices what he can say or do.
The main choices concerning the evidence are:

Paragon persuasion --> Tali is freed of all charges
Renegade persuasion --> Tali is freed of all charges
Keeping the evidence --> Tali gets exiled
Rallying the crowd --> Tali is freed of all charges (and Reegar + Veetor riot a little which is real fun)
Handing over the evidence --> Tali is freed but her fathers name is ruined and Tali is devastated + angry

I do not know if Tali is loyal when she is exiled, but the consequences concerning her loyalty are not of importance here. What I want to know is:
What could be the consequences of each decision for the whole quarian race in ME3??

There are also three things that you can say after the verdict:
1. Seek peace with the Geth (Zal'Koris approves:))
2. Tali is now part of my crew (I guess Tali approves)
3. Reclaim the homeworld/attack the Geth (Han'Gerrel approves)

I guess these things also affect the future of the quarians.

So what will be the best for the quarians? Which decisions will push the quarian race to its doom? I need to know this, so please discuss. I would like to know what will be the most probable concequences of each decision.

(I have a few ideas but not to every possible trial decision, I will post them later.)

Modifié par Jack Package, 09 mai 2010 - 01:31 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Hopefully peace with the Geth would ensure their survival. If the only way that they would survive would be by taking back their homeworld by force, well then I can't allow that to happen.



It is implied that trying to take back the home world would be devastating given the Geth numbers and technology.

[DarthCaine]

Different email/epilogue

[Jack Package]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Hopefully peace with the Geth would ensure their survival. If the only way that they would survive would be by taking back their homeworld by force, well then I can't allow that to happen.

It is implied that trying to take back the home world would be devastating given the Geth numbers and technology.

Yah, I didn't know about the possibly peaceful attitude of the Geth because it is only told be Legion. However, on my first and canon playthrough I told them to pursue peace because I concluded that an attack would lead to a disaster, like you said.

[Tlazolteotl]

Different sprites to help your fleet pew pew the reapers.

[sergio71785]

I think in ME3, the quarians will get their homeworld back regardless of our actions (though how that happens will change, of course). Quarians are a major race in the Mass Effect universe. Hell, Ascension itself deals in large part with quarians. 

Basically, what I'm getting at is that I don't think Bioware will leave the fate of a major race of their impressively developed Mass Effect universe in the hands of the player. 

[Jack Package]

sergio71785 wrote...

I think in ME3, the quarians will get their homeworld back regardless of our actions (though how that happens will change, of course). Quarians are a major race in the Mass Effect universe. Hell, Ascension itself deals in large part with quarians. 

Basically, what I'm getting at is that I don't think Bioware will leave the fate of a major race of their impressively developed Mass Effect universe in the hands of the player. 

Hm, do you think the results will be similar? I would like to have a big influence as player on the fate of the quarians. The will not get all killed even in the worst scenario, that I think, too. But i hope that there will be some differences, so prospering and happy quarians if peace was sought, or weakend and decimated quarians if there was an armed conflict.

[askanec]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Hopefully peace with the Geth would ensure their survival. If the only way that they would survive would be by taking back their homeworld by force, well then I can't allow that to happen.

It is implied that trying to take back the home world would be devastating given the Geth numbers and technology.

Writers just love putting in impossible situations, only to have the heroes pull it off, thus increasing the impact and drama of the victory.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Handing in the evidence is very hard for me to do, cause i saw what happens when you do and its depressing =(.

[sergio71785]

Jack Package wrote...

Hm, do you think the results will be similar? I would like to have a big influence as player on the fate of the quarians. The will not get all killed even in the worst scenario, that I think, too. But i hope that there will be some differences, so prospering and happy quarians if peace was sought, or weakend and decimated quarians if there was an armed conflict.

Well yeah, our choices will likely result in them being in a different condition within the context of ME3. Best being that they're prosperous, worst that they suffered large casualties.

But overall, I do think they'll get their world back, and be in a condition which ensures at least survival. Bioware likes giving players choices, but deciding the fate of a major, well-developed race seems like it would go too far.

If they wanted to make another Mass Effect game that takes place like 1000 years after ME1-3, it would have to be "independent" of the choices we made in these games.

[Jack Package]

sergio71785 wrote...

Jack Package wrote...

Hm, do you think the results will be similar? I would like to have a big influence as player on the fate of the quarians. The will not get all killed even in the worst scenario, that I think, too. But i hope that there will be some differences, so prospering and happy quarians if peace was sought, or weakend and decimated quarians if there was an armed conflict.

Well yeah, our choices will likely result in them being in a different condition within the context of ME3. Best being that they're prosperous, worst that they suffered large casualties.

But overall, I do think they'll get their world back, and be in a condition which ensures at least survival. Bioware likes giving players choices, but deciding the fate of a major, well-developed race seems like it would go too far.

If they wanted to make another Mass Effect game that takes place like 1000 years after ME1-3, it would have to be "independent" of the choices we made in these games.

Yap, you're right of course. The quarians will be there at the end on Rannoch, it will be only open to the player in which state. I'd like to know which decision would lead to which consequences though.

[Jack Package]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Handing in the evidence is very hard for me to do, cause i saw what happens when you do and its depressing =(.

I was watching it on youtube, but it was not my Shep, so it was really entertaining. Not in a funny way but in a drama-entertaining way.

The consequences of this particular decision are given already in the game.
The quarian fleet is seperated, some quarians want to proceed wit Rael's experiments, some want to make peace proposals to the Geth.
But is this worse than a full scale war with the Geth? The guy in the youtube vid proposed the quarians to attack the Geth, but he then talked to Gerrel who said that handing in the evidence weakend the pro-war faction in the admirality board.

[Jack Package]

Shandepared wrote...

I think we'll have basically three outcomes:

The quarians get back their homeworld but are too decimated to be of any help against the Reapers.

The quarians get back their homeworld by making peace with the geth and so we get both sides to help.

The quarians get back their homeworld by taking control of the geht, so we get both armies but it is all "evil-like".

Afterwards the quarians, under Xen's leadership, probably "expand".

Which decisions could trigger such outcomes in your opinion?

I think that the "getting Rannoch back and peace with Geth" outcome is triggered by "Renegade or Paragon persuasion" or "rallying the crowd" + suggesting peace efforts after the verdict.

[NICKjnp]

Betray Tali and get the migrant fleet to splinter and be destroyed when they try to fight the Geth... it's a win wine situation.

[Jack Package]

NICKjnp wrote...

Betray Tali and get the migrant fleet to splinter and be destroyed when they try to fight the Geth... it's a win wine situation.

Except for the quarians, for them it's rather a 'lose - lose'.

But does a splintered flotilla pursue war with the Geth?
As I posted before, handing in the evidence destroys the war efforts of Han'Gerrel and the other pro-war quarians. So I think that the results can be either splintered flotilla OR war with the Geth.

Modifié par Jack Package, 09 mai 2010 - 02:03 .

[scorptatious]

I made a thread talking about something similar not too long ago. I was wondering wheather if what you said to Tali while on the Alarei (go to war or focus on colonization) will have any impact on what happens to the quarians in ME3.



Because I remember talking to Tali after the loyalty mission about how the quarian's political power would shift due to her father's death, and (if she wasn't exiled) how they are considering her to have her fill a seat in the admiralty board. If she does end up on there in ME3, what you said to her could influence what the admiralty board will do next.

[Ecael]

It is my belief that whatever happens to Tali's status with the Quarians will have no effect. I only say this because Admiral Xen sends the same ominous e-mail to Shepard regardless of which of the five choices you made to help Tali (Paragon and Renegade persuasions, withhold findings, submit findings and rally the crowd). Even if you give the findings to the Admiralty Board, Xen still sends you an e-mail for not "submitting the findings to the Admiralty Board".

What I do think will make a slight difference is what Shepard said to the Quarians about going to war or not going to war. It won't have an actual effect on the Admiralty Board's decision to go to war, BUT it can have an effect on who will replace Rael'Zorah. As Admiral Xen mentioned, that position is the swing vote between the 3 differing viewpoints on the Board.

Thus, Shepard will indirectly affect their fate in a very subtle manner, but not enough that making either choice will have a significant advantage. For the writers, this limits the number of combinations of consequences as a result of completing Tali's loyalty mission to:



So there are only two actual consequences out of those two bottom boxes:
A. Gerrel-like Admiral elected, Quarians go to War
B. Koris-like Admiral elected, Quarians don't go to War

1. Did player complete quest?
Yes --> Go to 2
No --> A

2. Did player ask Admiralty Board not to go to war?
Yes --> B
No --> A

That's the easiest way to have the Tali trial carry over into Mass Effect 3. I'm sure it's the same for all the other major mission choices.

Modifié par Ecael, 09 mai 2010 - 02:49 .

[Ecael]

Shandepared wrote...

You know it really annoys me that I couldn't just give Xen the damned evidence in private.

They want Claudia Black's accented character to survive and be a potential villain for the next game, whether that next game is Mass Effect 3 (Admiral Daro'Xen) or Dragon Age 2 (Morrigan).

Apparently, whenever Claudia Black appears, your ability to make any actual choices goes out the window.

:innocent:

[Onyx Jaguar]

that ****! >

[MadCat221]

I actually think the real gamesave flag that'll be ported is the "Good Luck With Your War/Don't Go To War". Whichever you lend your advocacy to becomes the slightly prevailing opinion (but not enough to sway to decisive opinion without further player input in ME3)



Question... Does withholding the evidence and getting Tali exiled still offer that option after the verdict?

[Ecael]

MadCat221 wrote...

I actually think the real gamesave flag that'll be ported is the "Good Luck With Your War/Don't Go To War". Whichever you lend your advocacy to becomes the slightly prevailing opinion (but not enough to sway to decisive opinion without further player input in ME3)

Question... Does withholding the evidence and getting Tali exiled still offer that option after the verdict?

Well, you just need a checkbox saying "Don't Go to War", since ignoring the loyalty mission or getting Tali exiled will probably help lead to war anyway.

Unless Shepard gets a say in the matter by helping Tali, I think the default choice for Mass Effect 3 will be war.

EDIT: Kaiser pointed out that you still get the choice to tell them whether to go to war or not.

Modifié par Ecael, 09 mai 2010 - 03:50 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

MadCat221 wrote...

Question... Does withholding the evidence and getting Tali exiled still offer that option after the verdict?

Yes, just saw this one on YouTube, so I can confirm this.

I won't be surprised if it doesn't turn out to have a noticeable effect on the Quarian-Geth conflict in Mass 3, sans a minor dialogue variantion.