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[TheBlackBaron]

I'm actually on board with Daro'Xen's "recapture the Geth" plan for the moment. It ensures I have both armies at my disposal without the continued threat that a free Geth population poses; Legion himself admits that he has no idea if rewriting the Heretics would permanently prevent them from reverting or if other Geth might end up with the same "math error" (which it isn't really but I can't think of another word for it).

EDIT: Since Admiral Morrigan sends you that e-mail no matter what you ultimately choose it will probably play a role. Other than that I can't imagine your dialogue will have much effect - it might alter the prevailing sentiment amongst the population but as usual it will probably be up to Shep to say the final word.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 09 mai 2010 - 05:46 .

[NYG1991]

i think no matter what we do. shep will have to clean up a mess between quarians & geth with a combo of bullets and persuasion.



i think it's more likely xen will end up hacking all the geth(except for legion) and shep will have to either set them free by killing xen or put down an enclave of geth that are resisting.



I think it would be an interesting conflict to potentially have to fight against quarians(organics) in order to "liberate" the synthetic geth. especially for Talimancers as she probably won't appreciate shep killing loads of quarians.

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

Interesting enough, I pushed for peace with geth, even to the point of bringing legion with me on tali's loyalty mission and having legion say his spiel about how the geth don't even occupy the quarian home-world and wouldn't mind peace. =P

[mosor]

Ecael wrote...

It is my belief that whatever happens to Tali's status with the Quarians will have no effect. I only say this because Admiral Xen sends the same ominous e-mail to Shepard regardless of which of the five choices you made to help Tali (Paragon and Renegade persuasions, withhold findings, submit findings and rally the crowd). Even if you give the findings to the Admiralty Board, Xen still sends you an e-mail for not "submitting the findings to the Admiralty Board".

What I do think will make a slight difference is what Shepard said to the Quarians about going to war or not going to war. It won't have an actual effect on the Admiralty Board's decision to go to war, BUT it can have an effect on who will replace Rael'Zorah. As Admiral Xen mentioned, that position is the swing vote between the 3 differing viewpoints on the Board.

Thus, Shepard will indirectly affect their fate in a very subtle manner, but not enough that making either choice will have a significant advantage. For the writers, this limits the number of combinations of consequences as a result of completing Tali's loyalty mission to:



So there are only two actual consequences out of those two bottom boxes:
A. Gerrel-like Admiral elected, Quarians go to War
B. Koris-like Admiral elected, Quarians don't go to War

1. Did player complete quest?
Yes --> Go to 2
No --> A

2. Did player ask Admiralty Board not to go to war?
Yes --> B
No --> A

That's the easiest way to have the Tali trial carry over into Mass Effect 3. I'm sure it's the same for all the other major mission choices.

Just out of curiousity, what program are you using to see those plot flags and where can you get it?

[OneDrunkMonk]

A lot depends upon what you did and did not do in ME2. ME3 will have to have enough flexibility to embrace that. None of the loyalty missions were mandatory. Possibilities in ME3 I believe will have either a Quarian vs Geth war or Quarian and Geth peace treaty. Either way the Quarians may or may not recover their home world. Other possibilities include the Quarians finding a new home world as well as a possibility that there will be a split in the Quarian fleet where different factions take different routes.



Certainly I believe peaceful co-existence between the Quarians and the Geth will be very difficult if not impossible. for that matter I also do not believe any of the council races, or the other species that reside within council space, would be willing to co-exist with the Geth. They have proven to be too big a threat, the potential danger they present is too large. I personally wouldn't blame the Quarians if they took back their home world by force. They have already paid a steep price for creating the Geth. I think they have every right to reclaim their home world by any means.

[KalosCast]

Since even the war admiral entertained the thought of a Quarian colony world to keep all the noncombatants when going to war with the Geth, I have a feeling that we'll be seeing a Quarian colony world in ME3.

[Silver]

mosor wrote...

Ecael wrote...

It is my belief that whatever happens to Tali's status with the Quarians will have no effect. I only say this because Admiral Xen sends the same ominous e-mail to Shepard regardless of which of the five choices you made to help Tali (Paragon and Renegade persuasions, withhold findings, submit findings and rally the crowd). Even if you give the findings to the Admiralty Board, Xen still sends you an e-mail for not "submitting the findings to the Admiralty Board".

What I do think will make a slight difference is what Shepard said to the Quarians about going to war or not going to war. It won't have an actual effect on the Admiralty Board's decision to go to war, BUT it can have an effect on who will replace Rael'Zorah. As Admiral Xen mentioned, that position is the swing vote between the 3 differing viewpoints on the Board.

Thus, Shepard will indirectly affect their fate in a very subtle manner, but not enough that making either choice will have a significant advantage. For the writers, this limits the number of combinations of consequences as a result of completing Tali's loyalty mission to:



So there are only two actual consequences out of those two bottom boxes:
A. Gerrel-like Admiral elected, Quarians go to War
B. Koris-like Admiral elected, Quarians don't go to War

1. Did player complete quest?
Yes --> Go to 2
No --> A

2. Did player ask Admiralty Board not to go to war?
Yes --> B
No --> A

That's the easiest way to have the Tali trial carry over into Mass Effect 3. I'm sure it's the same for all the other major mission choices.

Just out of curiousity, what program are you using to see those plot flags and where can you get it?

I think it's Gibbed's Mass Effect 2 Savegame Editor.

[Zaisha_temp]

Shandepared wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

I'm actually on board with Daro'Xen's "recapture the Geth" plan for the moment. It ensures I have both armies at my disposal without the continued threat that a free Geth population poses; Legion himself admits that he has no idea if rewriting the Heretics would permanently prevent them from reverting or if other Geth might end up with the same "math error" (which it isn't really but I can't think of another word for it).

I feel exactly the same way. However I suspect Xen will be Shepard's enemy no matter what. At the end, after she's been killed, Shepard may have the option to continue her legacy. She's made it clear though that she has grand ambitions beyond retaking the quarian homeworld.

I have this idea that she'll kill off the rest of the Admiralty and seize control of the Flotilla herself to circumvent not having enough votes.

Personally, I think of Xen as "The Illusive Woman". She's pro-Quarrian in the same way TIM is pro-Human: they both intend to use whatever means available to build their own species an empire with them in charge.

TIM/Xen romance in ME3 anyone? They have the same hobbies. 

[Ecael]

mosor wrote...

Ecael wrote...

It is my belief that whatever happens to Tali's status with the Quarians will have no effect. I only say this because Admiral Xen sends the same ominous e-mail to Shepard regardless of which of the five choices you made to help Tali (Paragon and Renegade persuasions, withhold findings, submit findings and rally the crowd). Even if you give the findings to the Admiralty Board, Xen still sends you an e-mail for not "submitting the findings to the Admiralty Board".

What I do think will make a slight difference is what Shepard said to the Quarians about going to war or not going to war. It won't have an actual effect on the Admiralty Board's decision to go to war, BUT it can have an effect on who will replace Rael'Zorah. As Admiral Xen mentioned, that position is the swing vote between the 3 differing viewpoints on the Board.

Thus, Shepard will indirectly affect their fate in a very subtle manner, but not enough that making either choice will have a significant advantage. For the writers, this limits the number of combinations of consequences as a result of completing Tali's loyalty mission to:



So there are only two actual consequences out of those two bottom boxes:
A. Gerrel-like Admiral elected, Quarians go to War
B. Koris-like Admiral elected, Quarians don't go to War

1. Did player complete quest?
Yes --> Go to 2
No --> A

2. Did player ask Admiralty Board not to go to war?
Yes --> B
No --> A

That's the easiest way to have the Tali trial carry over into Mass Effect 3. I'm sure it's the same for all the other major mission choices.

Just out of curiousity, what program are you using to see those plot flags and where can you get it?

It's a doctored photo of Gibbed's Save Game Editor.

Gibbed hasn't updated it to include plot flags from Mass Effect 2 yet, so I'm only posting a theoretical version of what it might look like.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I'm sure the geth-quarian situation will be peacefully resolved in ME3. We may or may not play a direct role in it, but either way, it will.



Personally, I can't bring myself to exile Tali or hand over the evidence - ever. Call me fussy, but it just breaks my heart. This is right next to killing Samara over Morinth. I could probably do any other Renegade action, but not those two.

[SeanNorm]

I saw somewhere in another post (can't seem to find it) that it has been confirmed that peace can be achieved, it had a link to the required amount of points (5-7 I believe) to be able to to and each action had points associated with it.

Tali not Exiled - 1 point
etc etc Not sure of other actions