I'm wondering if it's something to do with Shadow Strike, but after collecting Kasumi and using her in some missions, she's rapidly becoming the biggest liability I can think of. I've lost count of the number of times where battles have been going well, my combat adept (modded with guns, warp ammo and barrier) and Jacob are cooperating very well to take the uglies down, Kasumi, for some reason, always ends up in the middle of the battlefield a mile away from cover.
Is shadow strike not working properly? I thought she's supposed to cloak, do the hit then cloak again and run back. Here she seems to be doing the first two things, but then she just sits there amongst the enemies. she also keeps doing these idiotic 'I'mz a reel Vangardz!' runs out into the open and then dies, irrespective of where I order her to stand. It's getting so bad I actually consider reloading the game everytime I hear the stupid b*tch mention 'Now you see me!...', since inevitably it's going to mean she'll have ruined a warp explosion or a luring I was carrying out.
I generally keep my team with squad power usage on, as it reduces the amount of babysitting I have to do and they aren't *that* bad at using their powers where needed. But Kasumi is an absolute nightmare.
Kasumi AI... not working as intended?
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Posté 09 mai 2010 - 09:43
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I haven't tried her with powers on I don't think, but I haven't had that much of a problem. I had problems keeping her alive vs the second praetorian but she didn't bring anything for that fight anyway.
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Posté 09 mai 2010 - 10:54
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All I can suggest is to turn squad powers off and use them yourself.
While I have occasionally seen Kasumi fail to return from a Shadow Strike, or start a Shadow Strike and then suddenly decide she can't do it (revealing herself in the middle of the open, but SS cooldown finishes), it's only happened very rarely for me. Much more common is the 'Can't do that right now' charge bug.
All I can suggest is to turn squad powers off and use them yourself.
While I have occasionally seen Kasumi fail to return from a Shadow Strike, or start a Shadow Strike and then suddenly decide she can't do it (revealing herself in the middle of the open, but SS cooldown finishes), it's only happened very rarely for me. Much more common is the 'Can't do that right now' charge bug.
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Posté 09 mai 2010 - 11:41
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OniGanon wrote...
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All I can suggest is to turn squad powers off and use them yourself.
While I have occasionally seen Kasumi fail to return from a Shadow Strike, or start a Shadow Strike and then suddenly decide she can't do it (revealing herself in the middle of the open, but SS cooldown finishes), it's only happened very rarely for me. Much more common is the 'Can't do that right now' charge bug.
The thing is the rest of my minions can handle casting just fine - ok, there's been the times where Jacob has decided to try and pull a bulkhead rather than the person hiding behind it or Grunt has decided the wall in front of me is in dire need of a concussive shot, but by and large they do alright. Kasumi, on the other hand - I did the Lorek mission 4 times as a test (where the cerberus dude has been captured by Eclipse) and she did it every_single_time. Precisely what you mention, only much more common.
Hmmm.
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Posté 09 mai 2010 - 12:14
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Frankly, I don't trust the AI enough to let my squadmates use their powers on their own.
Also, keep in mind that after using Shadow Strike, Kasumi loses any waypoint instructions you've given her. If you told her to take cover behind a box, then tell her to use Shadow Strike, she forgets that you told her to stay there and starts acting on her own. It sounds like she also forgets when she can't use Shadow Strike.
Also, keep in mind that after using Shadow Strike, Kasumi loses any waypoint instructions you've given her. If you told her to take cover behind a box, then tell her to use Shadow Strike, she forgets that you told her to stay there and starts acting on her own. It sounds like she also forgets when she can't use Shadow Strike.
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Posté 09 mai 2010 - 12:19
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Kasumi will cloak and retreat, but if she gets caught in crossfire before she can cloak/retreat, she will usually die. Sometimes her AI will try to make her run, sometimes her AI will have her shoot back. But ultimately, if any time she is caught before she can retreat, she will likely be completely exposed in the middle of the battle field, very close to the enemies. On insanity, this is a death sentence.
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Posté 09 mai 2010 - 12:23
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How long have you been playing with squad power usage turned on? I'm asking because people generally find after a while and/or at higher difficulties that it's not a good idea. If you've been doing it for a while and have no intention of tackling the higher difficulties, I'm guessing Kasumi and probably a few other characters are just not viable choices for you. What scyphozoa says about Shadow Strike sounds about right, so if you rely on the AI to choose who and when to attack, it's not surprising that Kasumi keeps getting herself killed.
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Posté 09 mai 2010 - 01:27
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spacehamsterZH wrote...
How long have you been playing with squad power usage turned on? I'm asking because people generally find after a while and/or at higher difficulties that it's not a good idea. If you've been doing it for a while and have no intention of tackling the higher difficulties, I'm guessing Kasumi and probably a few other characters are just not viable choices for you. What scyphozoa says about Shadow Strike sounds about right, so if you rely on the AI to choose who and when to attack, it's not surprising that Kasumi keeps getting herself killed.
I'm just playing on Normal. From what's already been said here, it sounds like Kasumi just isn't working properly. Oh well, time to switch off squad power usage
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Posté 09 mai 2010 - 03:44
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JaegerBane wrote...
spacehamsterZH wrote...
How long have you been playing with squad power usage turned on? I'm asking because people generally find after a while and/or at higher difficulties that it's not a good idea. If you've been doing it for a while and have no intention of tackling the higher difficulties, I'm guessing Kasumi and probably a few other characters are just not viable choices for you. What scyphozoa says about Shadow Strike sounds about right, so if you rely on the AI to choose who and when to attack, it's not surprising that Kasumi keeps getting herself killed.
I'm just playing on Normal. From what's already been said here, it sounds like Kasumi just isn't working properly. Oh well, time to switch off squad power usage
I have only used Kasumi when I control power usage and my playthroughs are on Insanity because Im used to it now. (Im on PC aswell). I use her alot now and I like her powers.. as the other posters have said she may be buggy if u dont control her... I don't know why though.
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Posté 09 mai 2010 - 03:53
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I'm guessing whatever script controls Kasumi's use of Shadow Strike doesn't take into account that she puts herself in harm's way using it. I don't know if I'd call that a "bug" so much as, you know, "dumb AI". And it's not like the other characters don't act suicidal half the time if you don't keep an eye on them.
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Posté 09 mai 2010 - 03:57
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JaegerBane wrote...
spacehamsterZH wrote...
How long have you been playing with squad power usage turned on? I'm asking because people generally find after a while and/or at higher difficulties that it's not a good idea. If you've been doing it for a while and have no intention of tackling the higher difficulties, I'm guessing Kasumi and probably a few other characters are just not viable choices for you. What scyphozoa says about Shadow Strike sounds about right, so if you rely on the AI to choose who and when to attack, it's not surprising that Kasumi keeps getting herself killed.
I'm just playing on Normal. From what's already been said here, it sounds like Kasumi just isn't working properly. Oh well, time to switch off squad power usage
I have only used Kasumi when I control power usage and my playthroughs are on Insanity because Im used to it now. (Im on PC aswell). I use her alot now and I like her powers.. as the other posters have said she may be buggy if u dont control her... I don't know why though.
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Posté 09 mai 2010 - 04:36
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It happened to me too the solution is dont use her till the and game she dose vary well in the tunnel outher then that she is a pain in the as.
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Posté 09 mai 2010 - 04:54
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What I have noticed is that Kasumi will ignore any prior orders to remain in cover after using shadow strike *if* she takes fire after executing it.
For instance in her loyalty mission... I manually placed her in cover on the right side facing the door with the incoming enemies. I immediately take cover on the left after the cut scene is complete. This location is ripe with forward fire from the enemy and gives them plenty of room to set up crossfire. Choose any target. Have Kasumi shadow strike, and watch as she draws aggro. Once she cloaks back to her initial cover location she will either vault over it and die almost instantly, or move backward behind one of the other statues.
Command her to keep that as her cover location. Once SS is recharge pick a new target somewhere else, and watch as she repeats the same behavior. Often times she will pick a new cover location when she is done.
If Shepard is in a position to draw aggro you can usually have shadow strike work, and Kasumi will return to cover and stay there. I noticed this several times on Garrus' loyalty mission where I would CC 1 target, and shadow strike the other... no other enemies around. After Kasumi used shadow strike, I used biotic charge on that enemy, and placed Shepard into aggro. Kasumi was able to cloak to cover, and she stayed there as she never took a shot.
Try and recreate those situations to see if what I am observing is accurate. I play on the Xbox.
For instance in her loyalty mission... I manually placed her in cover on the right side facing the door with the incoming enemies. I immediately take cover on the left after the cut scene is complete. This location is ripe with forward fire from the enemy and gives them plenty of room to set up crossfire. Choose any target. Have Kasumi shadow strike, and watch as she draws aggro. Once she cloaks back to her initial cover location she will either vault over it and die almost instantly, or move backward behind one of the other statues.
Command her to keep that as her cover location. Once SS is recharge pick a new target somewhere else, and watch as she repeats the same behavior. Often times she will pick a new cover location when she is done.
If Shepard is in a position to draw aggro you can usually have shadow strike work, and Kasumi will return to cover and stay there. I noticed this several times on Garrus' loyalty mission where I would CC 1 target, and shadow strike the other... no other enemies around. After Kasumi used shadow strike, I used biotic charge on that enemy, and placed Shepard into aggro. Kasumi was able to cloak to cover, and she stayed there as she never took a shot.
Try and recreate those situations to see if what I am observing is accurate. I play on the Xbox.
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Posté 09 mai 2010 - 10:34
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The AI in this game is about as smart as Lemmings. Playing on Insanity basically means going solo as you would either have to command your teammates to go hide in a corner (and they;ll pretend to for a few moments before chasing down the baddies again). RAHOJGHLJHWEjgLERL:WRH
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Posté 09 mai 2010 - 10:56
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Never had more problems with her then with others.
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Posté 10 mai 2010 - 01:50
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Out of curiosity, I let the AI script run her for several missions on Insanity. I was actually surprised how well it did. Frequently, just as I'm sighting down on a mob she pops up behind him, ganks him and flits away. She rarely gets herself in trouble for me.
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Posté 10 mai 2010 - 02:29
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I have squad powers turned off on insanity. She has been really effective for me and hardly dies. In fact I hardly ever use medi gel on her. I like to use her to finish off heavy weapon blue sun guys and use flash bang on groups of guys so I can singularity them with realitive safety.
Im not a huge fan of Kasumi but I never had problems with her on insanity and using shadow strike is like telling her to fire a big shot at the enemy. its pretty sweet and effective.
Im not sure what is going on with your kasumi. Did you say you mod your game? could it be that your squad powers are turned on?
Im not a huge fan of Kasumi but I never had problems with her on insanity and using shadow strike is like telling her to fire a big shot at the enemy. its pretty sweet and effective.
Im not sure what is going on with your kasumi. Did you say you mod your game? could it be that your squad powers are turned on?
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Posté 10 mai 2010 - 09:15
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I have squad powers turned off on insanity. She has been really effective for me and hardly dies.
Yeah... wasn't so long ago we had a thread here discussing whether Kasumi is intentionally overpowered to boost sales.
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Posté 10 mai 2010 - 02:36
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I have squad powers on, however, I tend to use them on cooldown. So squadmates never get a chance to use their powers. Kasumi works too well for me. Even in the most difficult insanity situations, she makes things easy. I send her out for a kill, blast or cast for dps and to pull aggro off her, she comes back (or nearly back), and I send her out again.
She is a super character. So much so that I hardly use her since it simplifies things too much for my taste. But I do use her, as she's well done and fun to have for her blatherings.
She is a super character. So much so that I hardly use her since it simplifies things too much for my taste. But I do use her, as she's well done and fun to have for her blatherings.
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Posté 10 mai 2010 - 08:03
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<---turns off squad usage. It is much better for using powers in tandem with other squaddies, which I do all the time, as well as having squaddies not be retarded and using abilities at the wrong time. A great way to use Shadow Strike if you don't use it all the time is when Kasumi is taking damage or when her AI is dumb and goes out into the open - this will preserve her.
Shadow Strike does have its share of issues that are rather similar to the Vanguard's biotic charge. Sometimes for me, Kasumi will basically freeze after decloaking next to the enemy, resulting in her untimely demise. Other times, I have noticed that she won't teleport back to the initial location that she used Shadow Strike from, and will end up somewhere in cover between that position and the enemy's position.
These issues are hardly game breaking or anything as they don't happen that often. Both Shadow Strike and Flashbang are incredible and most would probably consider them to be over-powered after having beaten the game on Insanity without them.
Shadow Strike does have its share of issues that are rather similar to the Vanguard's biotic charge. Sometimes for me, Kasumi will basically freeze after decloaking next to the enemy, resulting in her untimely demise. Other times, I have noticed that she won't teleport back to the initial location that she used Shadow Strike from, and will end up somewhere in cover between that position and the enemy's position.
These issues are hardly game breaking or anything as they don't happen that often. Both Shadow Strike and Flashbang are incredible and most would probably consider them to be over-powered after having beaten the game on Insanity without them.
