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[jfb3neo]

This is my second time around this game, and I am no where near this scene yet, but I remember my first time when I defiled the ashes the consequences so drastic I had to go back in the game. Leliana turned against me and was killed and Wynn walked out on me in camp. I just had to go back to a previous save and re-do, but I can't help wondering, what do I get out of deliling the ashes? What is in incentive? Do I gain some great power that make losing 2 of my party members worth making this choice?

[Sarah1281]

You don't have to lose Leliana. If she's hardened at the ashes you can talk her down and if she's left at camp you can lie to her. Wynne will be killed no matter what if she's with you and walk out no matter what if she was at camp. You do get the Reaver specialization, though, and some people who really hate the Chantry choose to do it in lieu of killing Genitivi or not allowing him to accompany you to the Urn so as to not strengthen their cause.

[Ramante]

You can unlock the reaver spec..
You can kill Wynne and Leliana.. which I consider a good thing.

When you take Leliana and Wynne with you, they will turn on you. I believe you can persuade Leliana when she is hardened but I'm not sure. If you take only one of them with you, the other one will leave when you return to camp. When you leave both of them at camp Wynne will leave when you return.. that's it, I believe.

Leliana can be persuaded when she is hardened, but I'm not sure if the persuasion takes place in camp or in the Gauntlet.

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Modifié par Ramante, 09 mai 2010 - 05:40 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

I personally found no real incentive, except if you believe Kolgrim's cult. But we never get to actually talk to them, so that we can form a more comprehensive opinion of their beliefs. They don't join us to fight the blight (which would have been a very big incentive). So except for the Reaver spec, I don't see much incentive other than lulz value.

[Ramante]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I personally found no real incentive, except if you believe Kolgrim's cult. But we never get to actually talk to them, so that we can form a more comprehensive opinion of their beliefs. They don't join us to fight the blight (which would have been a very big incentive). So except for the Reaver spec, I don't see much incentive other than lulz value.

I have never tried this but you're supposed to be able to ask Kolgrim what he would think about fighting darkspawn after you have defiled the ashes. I'm sure his answer is no, but I don't know what his exact answer is.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ramante wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I personally found no real incentive, except if you believe Kolgrim's cult. But we never get to actually talk to them, so that we can form a more comprehensive opinion of their beliefs. They don't join us to fight the blight (which would have been a very big incentive). So except for the Reaver spec, I don't see much incentive other than lulz value.

I have never tried this but you're supposed to be able to ask Kolgrim what he would think about fighting darkspawn after you have defiled the ashes. I'm sure his answer is no, but I don't know what his exact answer is.

He says he welcomes the blight, as it will purify the land and allow the resurgent Andraste to build a new world from scratch.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 09 mai 2010 - 06:00 .

[XwingVmanX]

Yeah I wanted to kill the dragon so I didn't do it lol

Got awesome Dragon Bone Armor from it later.

[Cyberfrog81]

Seems there are no real benefit (unless you count Reaver). I guess do it if you don't mind losing Wynne and want to play the game differently than you've done before, getting a different epilogue and what not. That's why I'm currently doing anyway.



BTW, if desired you can defile the ashes and THEN betray (kill) Kolgrim and, if you want, slay "Andraste" afterwards.

[jfb3neo]

First time around, I defiled the ashes, betrayed Kolgrim, and slayed the High Dragon they call "Andraste". I was unhappy with my decision after I lost Leliana and Wynn, so I went back and replayed. Even though I did not defile the ashes, I still had Reaver. Honestly though, the talent really didn't matter that much to me anyway.



Second play-thru. I kill Kolgrim right off the start. I was never even given the dragon blood and never had the chance to defile the ashes. This time I didn't even look back. There are some major decisions in this game. This, in my opinion, this is not one of them, unless you make the wrong choice, that is! Prepare to lose 2 of your party members. To me, it is not worth it! Just nice to see how much the game can change by a wrong decision!!!

[Ronashavar]

jfb3neo, as I tell everyone here, you can ALWAYS have your cake and eat it too. As Sarah said, if Leliana is hardened and is w/ you when you defile the ashes, you will be given an intimidate option and need at least expert coercion to pass. She will stand down. If I recall it's, "before you do anything stupid, remember who you're talking to". If she is not hardened, do not take her along obviously, and back at camp you can persuade her that the ashes are safe(again, you need at least expert coercion to pass)and you can actually net +approval from her. As for Wynne, you can simply do the urn of ashes before doing broken circle and she will be none the wiser. Also, on a recent playthrough, after completing the landsmeet and telling Eamon to gather the forces, I actually made a pit stop at the urn, defiled the ashes and then headed to Redcliff Castle. At that point you no longer have access to camp as the castle is now your base w/ even Bodahn and Sandal being there. Wynne no longer has the option to confront you...Muahahahahahah!

[jfb3neo]

I love it!!!

[Emerald Melios]

Or if you have Awakening, just buy the manual in Amaranthine.

[maxernst]

I didn't bring Leliana & Wynne with me. Wynne left camp, but I didn't find it necessary to really lie to Leliana, I just told her that yes, I'd found the ashes and that the urn had been "impressive".



As far as incentive to do it, well, there's the reaver specialization, the fact that you don't have to slaughter the whole village and (at least from the PC's standpoint) you don't have to fight a dragon. Plus, if you hate the chantry (as my elven mage does), that may be incentive in and of itself.





Of course, my other PC just walked past the dragon, but my new one doesn't know she doesn't need Colgrim to help with that.

[Rolenka]

You can defile the ashes before getting Wynne and avoid the problem, but if you do it without getting Leliana, Lothering will be destroyed before you get the chance.

[ZeRux]

I did it once, just to unlock the Reaver spec and reloaded after it. It's not only an evil but even illogical thing to do when you consider the fate of Andraste. Even my Dalish elf didn't defile the ashes. Andraste freed the elves after all and they have no reasons to hate her.

[jfb3neo]

I couldn't imagine NOT fighting the high dragon! Not only is this a great battle (gets you ready for the end) but the dragon scale presented to Wade gives you some of the best armor in the game.

[maxernst]

ZeRux wrote...

I did it once, just to unlock the Reaver spec and reloaded after it. It's not only an evil but even illogical thing to do when you consider the fate of Andraste. Even my Dalish elf didn't defile the ashes. Andraste freed the elves after all and they have no reasons to hate her.

Andraste's long dead and it's not like the ashes are actually helping anybody where they are.  Who knows if they're even hers?

Besides, I don't think defiling them actually changes anything (other than fighting the Guardian)--I took my pinch before just in case, but I *think* they'll still cure the Arl if you take your pinch after defiling them.  Am I wrong?

As to the high dragon, my PC is risk-aversive.  Why get herself killed with an unnecessary fight against a dragon?  My current party (PC mage, Morrigan, Leliana and Shale) isn't going to benefit from a great suit of armor anyway.

[Dhraiauvessillus]

For Defiling the Ashes.
You get Reaver the first time round then it is unlocked afterwrd.

I have not defiled them last time cos I needed Wynne around, having a Rogue.
And Morrighan was leaving at the end because I was doing the Perfectionist trophy.

Maybe have to not defile them this time cos of Perfectionist trophy .

But then again I have a Mage so maybe not.

Not Defiling The Ashes

Not defiling them, not sure what happens. I killed Genitivi and later I killed the High Dragon so it could do the sitting in front of the temple part.

It sits in front of the temple if you let Genitivi tell everyone I think. You have to fight it I think.

Personally I would defile them every time.

Anything to ****** off the chantry.

Personally I think getting rid of or killing Leliana is a good thing.

Wynne, she is ok. Annoying female. Would not mind killing or getting rid of her also.


Maxernst
I dont think you can take a pinch of ashes after defiling them.

Modifié par Dhraiauvessillus, 18 juin 2010 - 10:07 .

[Dunc]

maxernst wrote...

ZeRux wrote...

I did it once, just to unlock the Reaver spec and reloaded after it. It's not only an evil but even illogical thing to do when you consider the fate of Andraste. Even my Dalish elf didn't defile the ashes. Andraste freed the elves after all and they have no reasons to hate her.

Andraste's long dead and it's not like the ashes are actually helping anybody where they are.  Who knows if they're even hers?

Besides, I don't think defiling them actually changes anything (other than fighting the Guardian)--I took my pinch before just in case, but I *think* they'll still cure the Arl if you take your pinch after defiling them.  Am I wrong?

As to the high dragon, my PC is risk-aversive.  Why get herself killed with an unnecessary fight against a dragon?  My current party (PC mage, Morrigan, Leliana and Shale) isn't going to benefit from a great suit of armor anyway.

Even  if you try and deflile them your character will still take a pinch before you do it.

[Mdfitz]

I think that its just evil all my characters didnt care about the chantry but wouldnt even think of destroying something thta could mean alot to alot of people

[jonnyblueballs]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I personally found no real incentive, except if you believe Kolgrim's cult. But we never get to actually talk to them, so that we can form a more comprehensive opinion of their beliefs. They don't join us to fight the blight (which would have been a very big incentive). So except for the Reaver spec, I don't see much incentive other than lulz value.

I didn't even need to enter Haven to make up my opinion of their beliefs. Granted, they still managed to slightly surprise me on how crazy they really were.

[Arthur Cousland]

I would only defile the ashes during one playthrough as an evil character or just as someone who didn't give a damn and didn't mind killing Wynne, and for the achievement+reaver spec. The dragon isn't Andraste (as explained by the temple guardian), and so you would be defiling the ashes for no good reason, only for the reaver spec.

[LobselVith8]

If you see the Chantry as evil, destroying the Urn and preventing the Chantry from using it to cement their power and cause any more harm (from the destruction of the Dales to their oppression of the mages throughout Thedas) is a good thing.