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[cruc1al]

JaegerBane wrote...

WhoDHu wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...

I don't mind the mantis, but I've never been able to figure out why anyone would bother with it after picking up the Viper. The only advantage I can see is that you spend a bit less time out of cover using the mantis.... in theory. In reality you have to spend a lot more time lining up your shots with the mantis, as it's ammo capacity is pathetic and it takes 5 months to reload.

Meanwhile the Viper basiclally kills anything and everything no matter their defences. It's probably my fave single rifle in the game... the fact it maintains it's utility in the face of the Revenant's awesomeness speaks volumes about how brilliant it is.

Which class do you play Jager?

Once as a soldier, once an infil, but primarily as a Biotic. Adept is my fave class. Viper + Warp Ammo + Warp Explosions = Unholy amounts of damage.

Mantis is excellent as a starter. You hit up AR or cloak, give a headshot to the low-level target in the most dangerous position, then switch if you're in assault rifle or CQC range. With the viper, taking the first kill takes longer, and you subject your squad to slightly more enemy fire (considering that in the beginning of the fight they're firing the most).

[Athenau]

If you're using adrenaline rush, the time spent out of cover doesn't really matter for the Viper. It usually takes three headshots to drop a grunt enemy under rush, that's half a second. And I greatly prefer having the option to engage another target with the Viper, rather than being forced to reload with the Mantis.

[Pacifien]

If I understand what I've read about it in the past, the Viper works very well as a long-distance AR equivalent. Used correctly, it will deal more damage than the Mantis.

Personally didn't like the feel of the Viper, though. And didn't have many problems having enough ammo for my Mantis either. Would dump both for the Widow as soon as it became available.

However, I will equip the Viper on squadmates. Each shot is accompanied by a knockback on the enemy, which means one less enemy firing at me.

[nhsk]

WhoDHu wrote...

sonsonthebia07 wrote...

I tend to never use the Viper because it destroys the bigger baddies like scions ridiculously fast. I like it when the enemies actually have somewhat of a chance. Plus, personally, I feel the single shot headshot to feel more rewarding in games.
Additionally, having Garrus use any sniper but the Mantis is a sacrilege. Shame on you, folks.

Does Garrus go for headshots when he uses the Mantis? I don't know how reliable he is in that department.

I see Zaeed one shotting armor less vorcha on insanity with the Mantis which implies headshots, no reason why Garrus wouldn't do the same.

[Urazz]

The viper is best for soldiers since they can get more dps in a period of time than compared to the mantis or widow.  Not to say soldiers suck with the mantis or widow (they get higher burst damage with it than the viper) but if you want to do more damage over a period of time, then go with the viper.  If you want to basically have the chance to oneshot an enemy while in adrenaline rush, go with the mantis and then the widow.

But with the infiltrator the mantis and widow are better since they can have their slow-mo effect whenever they are aiming with their sniper rifle.

[tonnactus]

Even as an infiltrator i prefer the viper.Reloading after each shot sucks and with the viper i could snipe without big pauses.

[tonnactus]

OniGanon wrote...

Mantis has higher damage per shot and therefore damage per time spent out of cover. This can be imprtant on Insanity.

Not with cloak.

[tonnactus]

nhsk wrote...


I see Zaeed one shotting armor less vorcha on insanity with the Mantis which implies headshots, no reason why Garrus wouldn't do the same.

Because Zaeeds weapon damage is a lot higher then that of garrus.50 percent for mercenary warlord vs. 25 percent for turian renegade.Thane and Zaeed are oviously the better snipers.

[vadrillan]

If I'm not using the Widow, I have a soft spot for the Viper. It's more versatile, efficient and you don't feel guilty for using a shot on something with less than half health

[Arbalest7]

tonnactus wrote...

Because Zaeeds weapon damage is a lot higher then that of garrus.50 percent for mercenary warlord vs. 25 percent for turian renegade.Thane and Zaeed are oviously the better snipers.

Not when you factor in Tungsten rounds.

[Doriath]

That is after you max out a loyalty power. You can have Zaeed outputting enough damage from a mantis sniper before Horizon that can OSK most unprotected minions you'll face up to that point. It is a combination of Merc Warlord, Miranda's Cerberus Leader, and sniper rifle upgrade(s). At that point in the game, and then on for quite a while afterward, Garrus will not rival Zaeed utilizing the same weapons.

Modifié par chrisnabal, 11 mai 2010 - 04:02 .

[NiftuCal]

ones a sniper rifle and ones a long range hunting rifle. i choose the mantis because when i shoot someone in the head, i want them to die. i pass on the viper because ive already got a long range semi auto weapon in the hand canon, which i think is better anyways.

[swk3000]

Pacifien wrote...

Personally didn't like the feel of the Viper, though. And didn't have many problems having enough ammo for my Mantis either. Would dump both for the Widow as soon as it became available.

My feelings exactly.

[Doriath]

It depends on the class for me. Assuming the widow is out of this conversation, I would take the mantis for soldier/infiltrator due to the ability to more easily line up head shots and to get the damage bonus from AD/tactical cloak. However if I'm playing an engineer for example, I'll take the vyper and just spam it.

[SuperMedbh]

I love to snipe Widow for the Infiltrator (duh...) but Mantis until then. Since tactical cloak goes down and only gives a bonus for the first shot, that's the obvious choice.



But the soldier's AR lasts long enough for several shots, so it seems a waste to not use the Viper. I also love it for Vanguard. It's worth losing the Claymore for, imho. Try the Viper with Inferno Blast on a group of close packed enemies sometime. Just knock down their shields, next you know, they're all on fire. Bwah-ha-ha!

[OniGanon]

I use the Viper even on an Infiltrator. I prefer it over the Widow.



And I'm fairly sure Cloak lasts more than one shot.

[Shep309]

Aren't you guys forgetting the time dilation on an infilatrator when you scope? I prefer the viper on my infiltrator, mantis is a nice rifle for sure, but 1 shot/reload eats up a little time, especially when with the viper you can scope, shot, scope, shot, scope shot. I haven't timed it, but I'm willing to bet I can get off at least 2 aimed shots with the viper while the mantis reloads.

[Aradace]

The ONLY reason I use the Viper over the Mantis or even the Widow is one simple fact.....Ammo Capacity. It's not even the magazine size that kills me because the "bolt action" is kind of hot for a Sniper Rifle...But the over all ammo capacity. As an Infiltrator, my main weapon of choice IS a Sniper Rifle. Which means I need something that ISNT going to run out of ammo half way through a mission.



Hell, I'd actually use the Mantis or the Widow if they would simply up the amount of sinks you get per pick up instead of the lousy 1 per. Even with the Terminus Armor equipped, 13-14 rounds just isnt going to cut it (and no, I rarely miss at all so accuracy is never an issue with me ) because you WILL at some point, run out of ammo.



And to me, and apparently at least a few others, the Sniper Rifle is mostly what being an Infiltrator is all about. Not saying its the only way to play it but I am saying that most of us that play one probably do so because we love SNIPING. Hard as hell to SNIPE something when your RIFLE is out of ammo due to crappy ammo capacity.



So in the end, until they release the Incisor, Im sticking with the Viper. Why? because to me, Ammo Capacity > Shot Strength every single time. It's for this same reason that I wont even so much as look at the Vindicator anymore.

[SmokeyNinjas]

Viper hands down its has better ammo efficiency and DPS so performance wise it just outclasses the Mantis.

[OniGanon]

Ammo pickups is a big issue. If you can restrict yourself to an average of 3 shots per enemy, the Viper is usually fine for ammo. For the Widow and Mantis, though, on average you get maybe 7 bullets back per battle, and the only way to save their ammo is to use a different weapon.



As for the Incisor, its ammo capacity is a sick joke. Worse than the Mantis. Whoever decided the numbers clearly forgot they were dealing with a 3 round burst weapon.

[cruc1al]

Arbalest7 wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

Because Zaeeds weapon damage is a lot higher then that of garrus.50 percent for mercenary warlord vs. 25 percent for turian renegade.Thane and Zaeed are oviously the better snipers.

Not when you factor in Tungsten rounds.

Which are only good against armor and health. Most opponents have shields. Zaeed with disruptor ammo > garrus with tungsten ammo. Tungsten does extra damage only if the shot damages health first, i.e. no shields are left before the shot.

[nhsk]

Well, it was with a new soldier (me) with barely maxed out passive, Zaeed and a dead Jacob - no extra bonus from Miranda. Saw him drop 3 vorcha in a row while they had no armor and full health and later in the mission he dropped 2 in a row that I noticed. (Mordin recruitment) - So yeah, I would go with the Mantis for squadmates as they are effective at utilizing headshots if you keep them in the back and acts as "tank" for them.

[Aradace]

OniGanon wrote...

Ammo pickups is a big issue. If you can restrict yourself to an average of 3 shots per enemy, the Viper is usually fine for ammo. For the Widow and Mantis, though, on average you get maybe 7 bullets back per battle, and the only way to save their ammo is to use a different weapon.

As for the Incisor, its ammo capacity is a sick joke. Worse than the Mantis. Whoever decided the numbers clearly forgot they were dealing with a 3 round burst weapon.

I take it that you are one of the few people who actually got the weapon back when it was "accidentally" released before it was supposed to be? lol