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[Zy-El]

thepiebaker wrote...

Binee wrote...
I preordered Awakening but still haven't played it through fear of spoiling the experience with all the bugs people are claiming. Am I overreacting? I'm a patient person, so don't mind waiting a little longer.

you're overreacting i had no problems with it:wizard:

Ditto what Binee wrote. 

Just one reccomendation:  do not install Awakening if you already have patch 1.03 installed.  It's better to have DA:Origins patch 1.02 on your computer then install Awakening which already includes patch 1.03.  This is what worked for me.

[sassperella]

But will this patch ever come to console? The dao one didn't and it's been 7 months now and consoles still have all the original bugs..... sigh.

[DragonRageGT]

sassperella wrote...

But will this patch ever come to console? The dao one didn't and it's been 7 months now and consoles still have all the original bugs..... sigh.

And the DAO one didn't solve some issues there from release. Which was basically the reason for OP. Latest DAO introduced new issues and Awakening yet other ones. ME2 has some issues of itself too, even with one patch. I haven't played v1.00 so I don't really know what was fixed or not in ME2 but still, that's 7 months for DAO, 4 months for ME2 and almost 3 months for Awakening.

Sure it takes time to test patches and stuff but this is a long time. However, since we have Devs saying they're working on it, let's wait their patch team actually works on it. (assuming they have a patch team).

[ZMJ10]

i for one cant play awake becuase after one "major" plot quest the game crashes and i have corrupted saves....... so bioware i know you say your working on it but when u say that do u mean u guys are trying to find the problem but u cant? or does it mean you will fix it after yur done with SWTOR?? Cuz DA:O is a really good game and alot of ppl are waiting


Oh another thing, seriously where are the consol patches?? plz be mindfull of all of your game players PC and consol alike.

Modifié par ZMJ10, 12 mai 2010 - 02:25 .

[bzombo]

sassperella wrote...

But will this patch ever come to console? The dao one didn't and it's been 7 months now and consoles still have all the original bugs..... sigh.

they're working on a patch for pc and consoles. i don't know if ps3 is getting 2 patches or not, but they are working on a ps3 patch due to the firmware issue. that has been sent to sony per a bioware rep a couple days ago. someone came on an xbox360 thread and stated they were working on a patch, and there have been a few bioware dev confirmations about a pc patch before david came on and said it too. my guess is the ps3 patch to address the firmware problem comes out first, then we see the other patches.

[ladydesire]

ZMJ10 wrote...

i for one cant play awake becuase after one "major" plot
quest the game crashes and i have corrupted saves....... so
bioware i know you say your working on it but when u say that
do u mean u guys are trying to find the problem but u cant? or
does it mean you will fix it after yur done with SWTOR?? Cuz
DA:O is a really good game and alot of ppl are waiting

SWTOR is done by Bioware Austin, which is an enitirely different team.

Oh another thing, seriously where are the consol patches?? plz

be mindfull of all of your game players PC and consol alike.

Once through the approval process, the console patches are distributed by the hardware maker, not Bioware.

[13Dannyboy13]

RageGT wrote...

sassperella wrote...

But will this patch ever come to console? The dao one didn't and it's been 7 months now and consoles still have all the original bugs..... sigh.

And the DAO one didn't solve some issues there from release. Which was basically the reason for OP. Latest DAO introduced new issues and Awakening yet other ones. ME2 has some issues of itself too, even with one patch. I haven't played v1.00 so I don't really know what was fixed or not in ME2 but still, that's 7 months for DAO, 4 months for ME2 and almost 3 months for Awakening.

Sure it takes time to test patches and stuff but this is a long time. However, since we have Devs saying they're working on it, let's wait their patch team actually works on it. (assuming they have a patch team).

One thing I wonder about is how many people they actually have working on fixes since most will be working in ME3, DA2 etc. We've had devs stating that patches were being worked on since the first month, but that's all we've really gotten is talk. I understand that there's red tape to go through with sony and microsoft but I don't understand why we still have nothing as far as real fixes go. Also seeing as how there is a size limit on patches, why haven't we seen some smaller patches with fixes for a few of the smaller bugs like the dex bug, missing quest rewards etc. these are smaller fixes that can easily be given to us and would go a very long way in giving those of us who are giving up hope some proof that this game will actually get fixed.

[Loc'n'lol]

13Dannyboy13 wrote...

Also seeing as how there is a size limit on patches, why haven't we seen some smaller patches with fixes for a few of the smaller bugs like the dex bug, missing quest rewards etc. these are smaller fixes that can easily be given to us and would go a very long way in giving those of us who are giving up hope some proof that this game will actually get fixed.

Isn't there also a max limit on how many free updates you can get ?

I'm not really trying to excuse them, but at this point I guess they'd better take their sweet time, and make sure whatever patch comes in the future actually noticeably improves things, and does not degrade other things on the side. No one wants another 1.03.

[TheMadCat]

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...

13Dannyboy13 wrote...

Also seeing as how there is a size limit on patches, why haven't we seen some smaller patches with fixes for a few of the smaller bugs like the dex bug, missing quest rewards etc. these are smaller fixes that can easily be given to us and would go a very long way in giving those of us who are giving up hope some proof that this game will actually get fixed.

Isn't there also a max limit on how many free updates you can get ?

I'm not really trying to excuse them, but at this point I guess they'd better take their sweet time, and make sure whatever patch comes in the future actually noticeably improves things, and does not degrade other things on the side. No one wants another 1.03.

Is there? Wow, consoles suck even more then I imagined. I mean a limit on how much free stuff you can give, come on.

[sassperella]

bzombo wrote...

sassperella wrote...

But will this patch ever come to console? The dao one didn't and it's been 7 months now and consoles still have all the original bugs..... sigh.

they're working on a patch for pc and consoles. i don't know if ps3 is getting 2 patches or not, but they are working on a ps3 patch due to the firmware issue. that has been sent to sony per a bioware rep a couple days ago. someone came on an xbox360 thread and stated they were working on a patch, and there have been a few bioware dev confirmations about a pc patch before david came on and said it too. my guess is the ps3 patch to address the firmware problem comes out first, then we see the other patches.

they've been saying they're working on a patch for 7 months... we've never seen it. I'm not holding my breath.

[FieryDove]

TheMadCat wrote...


Is there? Wow, consoles suck even more then I imagined. I mean a limit on how much free stuff you can give, come on.

It used to be one free update/title update per title, any extra's cost $$ so most companies never bothered. But Sony/MS do have something to fall back on, bandwidth/servers to host content is not free and since people would be enraged at paying for patches...well nothing happens.

[edgarcabrerauk]

Under the light of the current events, it seems that BW has abandoned DAO and ME2, since the reference of the statement of Mr.Woo and the lack of response on the so many times requested bugs fixing and it seems that these products have been delivered and finished, so they crack on the next releases,..

The prompt response on being aware but not giving an ETA is much acknowledged, thank you... but it did not answer the main question of this topic, of course the creation of a patch has its risks, but from a technical point of view, does it mean that your game engine or your software engineer is faulty? any high quality software foundation should be able to be patched, or are you waiting for a patch from your game engine provider?. is it feasible to have a patch before the DAO2 and ME3 are ready to be delivered?.... 


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Modifié par edgarcabrerauk, 13 mai 2010 - 01:56 .

[TheMadCat]

FieryDove wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...


Is there? Wow, consoles suck even more then I imagined. I mean a limit on how much free stuff you can give, come on.

It used to be one free update/title update per title, any extra's cost $$ so most companies never bothered. But Sony/MS do have something to fall back on, bandwidth/servers to host content is not free and since people would be enraged at paying for patches...well nothing happens.

Pretty lousy excuse considering all the sites over the internet dedicated to hosting files for free, plenty of other ways to make cash without directly charging the user/publisher. Hell, doesn't Microsoft already charge a fee just to use their Live system in the first place?

[13Dannyboy13]

TheMadCat wrote...

FieryDove wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...


Is there? Wow, consoles suck even more then I imagined. I mean a limit on how much free stuff you can give, come on.

It used to be one free update/title update per title, any extra's cost $$ so most companies never bothered. But Sony/MS do have something to fall back on, bandwidth/servers to host content is not free and since people would be enraged at paying for patches...well nothing happens.

Pretty lousy excuse considering all the sites over the internet dedicated to hosting files for free, plenty of other ways to make cash without directly charging the user/publisher. Hell, doesn't Microsoft already charge a fee just to use their Live system in the first place?

Yeah, it's like $60 a year for gold membership on xbox live, which is needed to play anything online, that's one reason people are pissed about what EA is gonna do with madden. Even if they had to pay, the amount that they'd have to pay to give us a patch would be an almost unnoticeable price compared to what we've given them, I've seen many games have like 4-5 patches/updates.
I have to think though that they moved on to ME3/DA2 as soon as possible, the fact that we haven't gotten a straight answer in six+ months about fixes just goes to support that theory. Not to mention the only time we hear that from them is when new dlc comes out or they want something else, until I actually see a fix I'll keep considering those responses PR since nothing ever comes from them.

[edgarcabrerauk]

TheMadCat wrote...

FieryDove wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...


Is there? Wow, consoles suck even more then I imagined. I mean a limit on how much free stuff you can give, come on.

It used to be one free update/title update per title, any extra's cost $$ so most companies never bothered. But Sony/MS do have something to fall back on, bandwidth/servers to host content is not free and since people would be enraged at paying for patches...well nothing happens.

Pretty lousy excuse considering all the sites over the internet dedicated to hosting files for free, plenty of other ways to make cash without directly charging the user/publisher. Hell, doesn't Microsoft already charge a fee just to use their Live system in the first place?

Indeed, since the agreement of partnershio was done between EA/BW and MS/Sony, such costs are not responsibility of the final user, besides, such costs should be included in the final product price. What BW/EA has to pay to MS/Sony are beyond the knowledge of the final costumer and should be treated as confidential...

[edgarcabrerauk]

Getting focused:

David Gaider wrote...


We've already said we're working on another patch. No ETA at this time.

Is this a patch for PC, Xbox or PS3?... in the case of Xbox and PS3, this patch will include the fixing of the dex bug?

David Gaider wrote...

annihilator27 wrote...
Can we get an update on the "unable to access your online player storage" issue?

I don't have any answers for you regarding issues, sorry. I'm not someone who deals with bugs (other than the writing-related ones, I suppose). All I can really say is that we're working on it and the issue is really getting everything tested as much as possible. As I'm sure you're all aware, insufficiently tested patches can sometimes cause more problems than they solve.

Is that extensive testing applied for a PC or Xbox or PS3 patch?.... if you are not who deals with bugs, who is? do the description, fix requesting and work around of the bugs in PC/Xbox/PS3 are directed to that someone who deals with bugs?.

We are aware that insufficiently tested patches can sometimes cause more problems than they solve, but how many times should be reproduced the dex bug in a test case and how long more should take after 6 months in Xbox/PS3?.... as there's a fix, what is the issue to deliver a patch on the dex bug into the xbox and PS3?...

Going back to the main question of this post and taking in account what you have mentioned, what is the percentage of completion of the development on DA2? and what is the percentage of completion of the bug fixing on Xbox/PS3 and PC?... will the patch for xbox/PS3/PC be delivered before the completion of DA2... or ME3?

We appreciate your kind response, thank you

Modifié par edgarcabrerauk, 13 mai 2010 - 03:14 .

[Gnaeus.Silvanus]

Ah finally someone from Bioware surfaced and claimed that they are working on a patch. Well, good but do not just give us a vague and clueless period when that patch is released. We'll hold on to your announcement Mr. Gaider. Peace.



For the mean time I'll just sharpen my pitchfork for any eventualities after that patch is released or encounter any tell-tale signs that this alleged patch Bioware is working on is yanked and the state of the game is left as it is.

[AmstradHero]

edgarcabrerauk wrote...
... the creation of a patch has its risks, but from a technical point of view, does it mean that your game engine or your software engineer is faulty? any high quality software foundation should be able to be patched, or are you waiting for a patch from your game engine provider?. is it feasible to have a patch before the DAO2 and ME3 are ready to be delivered?....

I think you'll find that the issues have little to do with the game engine itself, nor the software engineer.  Given some of the fixes that have been made available, many of the bugs appear to be logic bugs related to scripting or small oversights.
As a software developer and a modder, I can assure you that testing is a really time consuming process and it is extremely difficult to cater for all possibilities when you have an RPG with lots of choice. As an example, I played through Awakening without encountering a single bug, yet other people complain of massive difficulties.  From my experience, I would suggest Awakening is nowhere as "broken" as some people claim.

David Gaider has been kind enough to see this thread and respond that a patch is forthcoming (even though he has nothing to do with patching!), so the take-home message is "it's being worked on." Bioware does care about us, its fans, and will get us a patch when it's ready.  Would you really want to see a patch released that then caused other issues and caused a whole new batch of complaints? I'd rather see a solid patch than a rush job that needs another band-aid again later.

Modifié par AmstradHero, 13 mai 2010 - 08:59 .

[edgarcabrerauk]

AmstradHero wrote...

edgarcabrerauk wrote...
... the creation of a patch has its risks, but from a technical point of view, does it mean that your game engine or your software engineer is faulty? any high quality software foundation should be able to be patched, or are you waiting for a patch from your game engine provider?. is it feasible to have a patch before the DAO2 and ME3 are ready to be delivered?....

I think you'll find that the issues have little to do with the game engine itself, nor the software engineer.  Given some of the fixes that have been made available, many of the bugs appear to be logic bugs related to scripting or small oversights.
As a software developer and a modder, I can assure you that testing is a really time consuming process and it is extremely difficult to cater for all possibilities when you have an RPG with lots of choice. As an example, I played through Awakening without encountering a single bug, yet other people complain of massive difficulties.  From my experience, I would suggest Awakening is nowhere as "broken" as some people claim.

David Gaider has been kind enough to see this thread and respond that a patch is forthcoming (even though he has nothing to do with patching!), so the take-home message is "it's being worked on." Bioware does care about us, its fans, and will get us a patch when it's ready.  Would you really want to see a patch released that then caused other issues and caused a whole new batch of complaints? I'd rather see a solid patch than a rush job that needs another band-aid again later.

Reposting:

There are 2 main bugs in the Xbox:
1) corrupted saves
2) dex bug.

for more information, please refer to the xbox tech support.  
In the manual, the description of dex is part of the software specification, somewhere in the development process a design document described dex as part of the game functionality and as software developer you know that the first testing is the functionality testing... then the stress testing and so on. 
I mentioned the game engine because usually a when a bug is there, you keep digging into the software and sometimes that original bug is part of a big bug within the foundation software, in this case the game engine. As for the software engineering, if you create the software, it has become an industry standard to design modular software.

And again, the bugs problems between PC and Xbox are not in sync, meanwhile the dex bug has been corrected in the PC in the consoles it is still there, and the big problem is that we cannot apply a mod or some sort of fix, we must wait until BW/EA delivers a patch.As for Mr.Gaider's response, it is the same response we have heard along 6+ months on the xbox side.

[Zy-El]

Yes, the Dex bug is fixed on PC's but not fixed on XBox. One can conclude from this that Bioware knows what the problem is and how to fix it. So, why is there no update to XBox? Could it be something inherent with the XBox architecture or Micro$oft holding it up?

Bottomline: don't put all the blame on Bioware. 

Oh, and be grateful that Mr. Gaider said anything at all.  A lot of players have been complaining that Bioware hasn't said anything about a patch being worked on.  And now that someone from Bioware has finally said something, a lot of you jump all over him like ravenous leeches.  He can't answer your questions because he's not working on the bugs - those guys are too busy to post on a forum and most likely, cannot respond due to non-disclosure agreements.

Modifié par Zy-El, 13 mai 2010 - 02:31 .

[David Gaider]

edgarcabrerauk wrote...
Is this a patch for PC, Xbox or PS3?... in the case of Xbox and PS3, this patch will include the fixing of the dex bug?

I can't really comment on what platforms the patch is for. Consoles are more complicated because they require certification. As for what the patch will include, they typically prioritize bugs that involve stability issues or game-breaking bugs-- those ones require the most complex testing. I understand that you think the Dexterity bug is an issue, and I'm pretty sure it is, but it's not a game-breaking one. I'm not suggesting it won't be addressed as I honestly don't know, but if it's not I'm simply saying it's because there are bigger fish to fry.

if you are not who deals with bugs, who is? do the description, fix requesting and work around of the bugs in PC/Xbox/PS3 are directed to that someone who deals with bugs?.

If you wish to report a bug, do so in the tech support forums. That's where QA will be looking.

Going back to the main question of this post and taking in account what you have mentioned, what is the percentage of completion of the development on DA2?

If that project exists, it's not announced and thus nobody at BioWare could comment on it.

and what is the percentage of completion of the bug fixing on Xbox/PS3 and PC?... will the patch for xbox/PS3/PC be delivered before the completion of DA2... or ME3?

The patch will be ready when it's ready. Until BioWare is prepared to give you guys an update all it means is that we're still working on it-- can't really tell you more than that.

Modifié par David Gaider, 13 mai 2010 - 02:44 .

[Kail Ashton]

Ohohoho so practical, you're a man after my own heart~!

[darkshadow136]

I know they are working on a patch for DAO. But they also need to come out with a new patch for ME2 also, there is a nasty crash bug that get's pretty annoying.

[edgarcabrerauk]

David Gaider wrote...

edgarcabrerauk wrote...
Is this a patch for PC, Xbox or PS3?... in the case of Xbox and PS3, this patch will include the fixing of the dex bug?

I can't really comment on what platforms the patch is for. Consoles are more complicated because they require certification. As for what the patch will include, they typically prioritize bugs that involve stability issues or game-breaking bugs-- those ones require the most complex testing. I understand that you think the Dexterity bug is an issue, and I'm pretty sure it is, but it's not a game-breaking one. I'm not suggesting it won't be addressed as I honestly don't know, but if it's not I'm simply saying it's because there are bigger fish to fry.

Is that extensive testing applied for a PC or Xbox or PS3 patch?

If a patch is being made for both PC and consoles it's the same patch and receives the same testing.

if you are not who deals with bugs, who is? do the description, fix requesting and work around of the bugs in PC/Xbox/PS3 are directed to that someone who deals with bugs?.

If you wish to report a bug, do so in the tech support forums. That's where QA will be looking.

Going back to the main question of this post and taking in account what you have mentioned, what is the percentage of completion of the development on DA2?

If that project exists, it's not announced and thus nobody at BioWare could comment on it.

and what is the percentage of completion of the bug fixing on Xbox/PS3 and PC?... will the patch for xbox/PS3/PC be delivered before the completion of DA2... or ME3?

The patch will be ready when it's ready. Until BioWare is prepared to give you guys an update all it means is that we're still working on it-- can't really tell you more than that.

Thank you Mr. Gaider for your response, much appreciated it.

Following your explanation, it is clear the patch will be ready when it's ready... would it be possible to assume that day may come within the next 6 months? if not, I understand you are not entitle to make such an announcement 

Again thank you again, for giving more information.