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[Norskatt]

Feraele wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Why do so many people have uncomfortable PC chairs?

I don't,  I can sleep in mine if I really want to

What kind of chair do you have?! Short of a recliner I can't fathom that! lol

[Statulos]

I don´t play in consoles for two main factors:



-Where are the great strategy games from developers like Paradox or Matrix?

-I like mods.

[Busomjack]

It's not a seperate issue. How do you keep track of the number of fans? Through sales of course and sales figures are affected by illegal downloading. Illegal downloading is consequence free as opposed to consoles even if there are loopholes which can be exploited in the latter.



It's not the only issue of course. As has been stated by others, the plug and play convenience and widespread availability of consoles compared to gaming viable PCs makes them more lucrative.

However, one cannot discount the fact that the reason why there are more console fans than PC fans is because the best games come out for consoles since the console market is where there are actual consumers(you know, people who actually buy games?)

[Outamyhead]

Which again can be evaded by not using the Xbox (that has been modified) on an internet connection.

that game chart you pointed me to does not elaborate, actually it does not mention at all where it got it's sales figures from, but after delving around some games sell as good as what the consoles dish out, like the Sims for example.

I'm pretty sure there is more than a touch of a button to get a pirated game to work on a PC.

And I beg to differ on how all the awesome games come out on the consoles, have you seen Dragon Age in all it's glory on the PC?

And after you sort through all the chaff for consoles there are no more better games than what the PC is provided.

Modifié par Outamyhead, 11 mai 2010 - 10:39 .

[Sloth Of Doom]

Feraele wrote...

I have a four year old PC,  and a four year old graphics card........DA:O plays fine for me.     I have a custom built gaming computer.     Four years old and nothing wrong with it..but if I find I want to upgrade...I can upgrade piece by piece,  not necessary to go out and buy a whole new machine.

Thats what I like about computers, and thats why I'll remain a PC owner.    I have no problems using a mouse for combat...nor my keyboard.   

I think possibly its a generational thing.     I started out on PC back in 1988...I am comfortable with them and thats about the size of it.     I have tried the old consoles..played Zelda Ocarina of time..and some old time games like that.     Hated having to sit on the floor in front of the tv in order to play.

Much more comfortable in my comfy computer chair with my pillows and foot rest.

You pretty much summed up my feelings exactly.   I had an xbox 360 (it red ringed recently) and still preferred my PC.  Kids these days just don't know what they are missing out on.  

As for the whole "consoles are cheaper" argument....bullpoo.   As you stated, a decent comp lasts a long time and can have minor upgrades done to it for very little money.   The typical lifespan of the 360 system is 3-5 years. So every 3-5 yeas you are pumping out $400 bucks or so...a lot more than you will put into a well built computer that can do a better job. (Note, I did not say "Keeping your computer cutting edge." Apples to apples, folks)

I don;t understand people that can't opeate a mouse and keyboard. They are faster, more precise and more versatile than any console controller. There is a reason UIs are dumbed down on console games and shooters have aim-assists built in.

[Statulos]

Busomjack wrote...
However, one cannot discount the fact that the reason why there are more console fans than PC fans is because the best games come out for consoles since the console market is where there are actual consumers(you know, people who actually buy games?)

Best according to what? Because I don´t really enjoy most FPS games, while I love stuff such as Forge of Freedom or Europa Universalis series.

Best selling, that´s a different animal and sounds more in line to your paragraph.

[Wicked 702]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Feraele wrote...

I have a four year old PC,  and a four year old graphics card........DA:O plays fine for me.     I have a custom built gaming computer.     Four years old and nothing wrong with it..but if I find I want to upgrade...I can upgrade piece by piece,  not necessary to go out and buy a whole new machine.

Thats what I like about computers, and thats why I'll remain a PC owner.    I have no problems using a mouse for combat...nor my keyboard.   

I think possibly its a generational thing.     I started out on PC back in 1988...I am comfortable with them and thats about the size of it.     I have tried the old consoles..played Zelda Ocarina of time..and some old time games like that.     Hated having to sit on the floor in front of the tv in order to play.

Much more comfortable in my comfy computer chair with my pillows and foot rest.

You pretty much summed up my feelings exactly.   I had an xbox 360 (it red ringed recently) and still preferred my PC.  Kids these days just don't know what they are missing out on.  

As for the whole "consoles are cheaper" argument....bullpoo.   As you stated, a decent comp lasts a long time and can have minor upgrades done to it for very little money.   The typical lifespan of the 360 system is 3-5 years. So every 3-5 yeas you are pumping out $400 bucks or so...a lot more than you will put into a well built computer that can do a better job. (Note, I did not say "Keeping your computer cutting edge." Apples to apples, folks)

I don;t understand people that can't opeate a mouse and keyboard. They are faster, more precise and more versatile than any console controller. There is a reason UIs are dumbed down on console games and shooters have aim-assists built in.

Ah, the age old console vs. PC cost debate.

The problem with what you have here is that it's relatively subjective. While you are correct that most people probably already have a PC and that making it decently game worthy is likely cheaper than buying a brand new console, you're starting from unequal ground. In the price debate, my opinion is that you have to start from scratch on all counts.

In my case I actually do. I built my gaming rig back in '02. As you can imagine, no amount of simply "upgrading" that dinosaur is going to bring it into modern day compliance. At a bare minimum, I need a new CPU, motherboard, RAM, video card, and HDD (because mine are nearly full after so many years). Even if I salvage the case, PSU, soundcard, and cables I'm only saving maybe $150. That's really not worth it. It's better for me to start from scratch.

There are also other factors that play into the decision. For example, if you enjoy playing multiplayer games with your friends which system are they primarily on? Will I need to buy a new monitor as well? What about peripherals? All these things factor into the equation.

I bought a 360 not because I prefer it over my PC, but because it was the most economical fit of all the criteria I listed above. I'd say that in general you spend less money with a console assuming you start with a level playing field.

[Beocat]

I've done both PC and 360 gaming, but I must say, there were many things that bugged me when PC playing. For instance, if you're playing and suddenly your antivirus decides it's weekly scan should start, you'll likely lag out of the game, if not, it still isn't playable. Then there's upkeep, moving your data to a new one when you decide to replace your old computer, and anything else that could pop up to bother you. I used to have a problem with instant messengers minimizing my gaming windows for instance...people sending me offline messages. So frustrating.



Console gaming is just simpler, easier, more economic, and has a wide variety of games with an easy to use controller. There's no reason to not utilize it and for me, it gives me ample reason to get AWAY from my loathsome computer.

[Loerwyn]

Beocat wrote...
 For instance, if you're playing and suddenly your antivirus decides it's weekly scan should start, you'll likely lag out of the game, if not, it still isn't playable. Then there's upkeep, moving your data to a new one when you decide to replace your old computer, and anything else that could pop up to bother you. I used to have a problem with instant messengers minimizing my gaming windows for instance...people sending me offline messages.

So, basically, you hate PC gaming because you have to put effort in? You can schedule your scanner to start at a particular time (and, of course, it can be delayed), and any decent scanner would have minimal impact (Yay MSE!) on your PC's performance. Or you could, of course, place your old HDD into your new PC and transfer it across or just copy your backups? And then there's always the case of quitting your instant messenger when you're in a game or stopping it give alerts whilst you're in game?

[Busomjack]

Statulos wrote...

Busomjack wrote...
However, one cannot discount the fact that the reason why there are more console fans than PC fans is because the best games come out for consoles since the console market is where there are actual consumers(you know, people who actually buy games?)

Best according to what? Because I don´t really enjoy most FPS games, while I love stuff such as Forge of Freedom or Europa Universalis series.

Best selling, that´s a different animal and sounds more in line to your paragraph.

Best according to sales.  I know good sales do not mean good game but that is how the industry interprets it since their definition of good is whatever delivers the most revenue.  I don't dissagree with your stance.  On the contrary, I love PC gaming but I don't see how any PC gamer over the age of 21(I'm 27) can deny that the quality of PC gaming has declined over the years.  There are so few PC exclusives that it's hard to even define a PC gamer since the lines between PC gamer and console gamer have been effecitvely blurred.  All of my favorite modern games on the PC(few exceptions like S.T.A.L.K.E.R, Cryostasis, Torchlight) are all available on consoles.
It seems like the only real PC gamers these days are World Of Warcraft gamers and like Hell do I want to be associated with those losers.

So yeah, it's pretty easy to see why there are more console fans than PC fans.

[Busomjack]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Beocat wrote...
 For instance, if you're playing and suddenly your antivirus decides it's weekly scan should start, you'll likely lag out of the game, if not, it still isn't playable. Then there's upkeep, moving your data to a new one when you decide to replace your old computer, and anything else that could pop up to bother you. I used to have a problem with instant messengers minimizing my gaming windows for instance...people sending me offline messages.

So, basically, you hate PC gaming because you have to put effort in? You can schedule your scanner to start at a particular time (and, of course, it can be delayed), and any decent scanner would have minimal impact (Yay MSE!) on your PC's performance. Or you could, of course, place your old HDD into your new PC and transfer it across or just copy your backups? And then there's always the case of quitting your instant messenger when you're in a game or stopping it give alerts whilst you're in game?

Is there something wrong with not wanting to put effort into a leisure activity?  It's not like they're doing anything productive to begin with so who cares if somebody prefers a platform where it is easier to veg out?  It's not like they're at school, work, or exercising where effort actually matters.  This is a sedentary, time killing activity.  Who cares if they don't want to put effort into it?

[Beocat]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Beocat wrote...
 For instance, if you're playing and suddenly your antivirus decides it's weekly scan should start, you'll likely lag out of the game, if not, it still isn't playable. Then there's upkeep, moving your data to a new one when you decide to replace your old computer, and anything else that could pop up to bother you. I used to have a problem with instant messengers minimizing my gaming windows for instance...people sending me offline messages.

So, basically, you hate PC gaming because you have to put effort in? You can schedule your scanner to start at a particular time (and, of course, it can be delayed), and any decent scanner would have minimal impact (Yay MSE!) on your PC's performance. Or you could, of course, place your old HDD into your new PC and transfer it across or just copy your backups? And then there's always the case of quitting your instant messenger when you're in a game or stopping it give alerts whilst you're in game?

Lol...  it's more due to nuisance than effort.  Console gaming is a way to get away from the computer and all its many hassles.  And anyways, I still play some PC games, but consoles are my main platform.  I usually only play PC games if I cannot get a part of a series on the consoles.

Just remember, just because you love your computer doesn't mean I love mine.  Mine is on the brink of death...it just doesn't know it yet.

[chiliztri]

Beocat wrote...

Lol...  it's more due to nuisance than effort.  Console gaming is a way to get away from the computer and all its many hassles.  And anyways, I still play some PC games, but consoles are my main platform.  I usually only play PC games if I cannot get a part of a series on the consoles.

Just remember, just because you love your computer doesn't mean I love mine.  Mine is on the brink of death...it just doesn't know it yet.

I'm assuming your responding to this topic on a computer?

[Beocat]

Thank you Busomjack =)

[Loerwyn]

Beocat wrote...
Lol...  it's more due to nuisance than effort.  Console gaming is a way to get away from the computer and all its many hassles.  And anyways, I still play some PC games, but consoles are my main platform.  I usually only play PC games if I cannot get a part of a series on the consoles.

Just remember, just because you love your computer doesn't mean I love mine.  Mine is on the brink of death...it just doesn't know it yet.

I can understand it's a pain, but they're easily rectifiable issues.
Seemed like a bunch of non-reasons to myself, no offense meant.

[Beocat]

chiliztri wrote...

Beocat wrote...

Lol...  it's more due to nuisance than effort.  Console gaming is a way to get away from the computer and all its many hassles.  And anyways, I still play some PC games, but consoles are my main platform.  I usually only play PC games if I cannot get a part of a series on the consoles.

Just remember, just because you love your computer doesn't mean I love mine.  Mine is on the brink of death...it just doesn't know it yet.

I'm assuming your responding to this topic on a computer?

Indeed, but computers are a necessity these days.  Might not be responding tomorrow on one.  It'll be in the shop, yet again, for the same problem as last time.  Fun fun.  Perhaps I will have it back in time to get my work done by next week.

[Beocat]

Haha, no offense taken OS89. You're just saying what you think.

[Cascadus]

I don't think people comprehend that you've been upgrading your consoles since the birth of them. Every generation (around five or six years, previously around four) you've upgraded from the NES to SNES, the SNES to the N64 or PSX. Your PSX and N64 to the DreamCast, GameCube, PS2 and/or Xbox. Each of these generations slowly cranking up the price of the hardware. Hhm... I wonder where I've seen that before?

The truth is two things - one, blaming piracy is ridiculous and idiotic. One piracy DOES NOT equal one lost sale. The pirate in question, without any given form of acquiring that game for free would likely not bother buying it in the first place. And two, contrary to popular belief, you do not need to upgrade your PC every two months to play games. I've had my own for two years and I've so far encountered no problems. I've really only needed to change up my PC every console generation, mostly for a sum of around 300 to 400 dollars. What people don't really understand is that if it's optimized for a console's lower processing power, it'll run fine on the PC barring incompetent porting. If it's exclusive to the PC, it's not going to push a computer to it's limits. PC developers aren't stupid, and they'd prefer to reach out to every person who can play on one possible and make it compatible with as many configurations as possible. Not every PC game runs like Crysis (which is funny, because that 'omg pc gamers need to pay like 2000 dollars every month to run proper games' only really spawned once the game released), in fact, many are graphically less superior than many console games because PC developers need to work within a dynamic platform with a individuality of each computer's separate capabilities and find a compromise, as a result, however, PC exclusive games will run better on customized hardware than that of Xbox games.

And console gaming more popular than PC gaming? No ****. PC gaming, whether we (as in PC gamers) like it or not, has always been a niche audience. Consoles are straight up simpler and more mainstream than the excitement and personalized feeling of constructing your very own gaming rig from your own hands. The mainstream audience just wants to pick up a controller and play. No bat**** conspiracy theories, no 'hurr pc gamers are all pirates lol', console gaming is flat-out easier to pick up.

Sometimes I hate spelling this kind of stuff out for people.

Modifié par Cascadus, 12 mai 2010 - 01:32 .

[Rubbish Hero]

Does this include DD or subscriptions?

[Levi28001]

Cascadus wrote...

I don't think people comprehend that you've been upgrading your consoles since the birth of them. Every generation (around five or six years, previously around four) you've upgraded from the NES to SNES, the SNES to the N64 or PSX. Your PSX and N64 to the DreamCast, GameCube, PS2 and/or Xbox. Each of these generations slowly cranking up the price of the hardware. Hhm... I wonder where I've seen that before?

The truth is two things - one, blaming piracy is ridiculous and idiotic. One piracy DOES NOT equal one lost sale. The pirate in question, without any given form of acquiring that game for free would likely not bother buying it in the first place. And two, contrary to popular belief, you do not need to upgrade your PC every two months to play games. I've had my own for two years and I've so far encountered no problems. I've really only needed to change up my PC every console generation, mostly for a sum of around 300 to 400 dollars. What people don't really understand is that if it's optimized for a console's lower processing power, it'll run fine on the PC barring incompetent porting. If it's exclusive to the PC, it's not going to push a computer to it's limits. PC developers aren't stupid, and they'd prefer to reach out to every person who can play on one possible and make it compatible with as many configurations as possible. Not every PC game runs like Crysis (which is funny, because that 'omg pc gamers need to pay like 2000 dollars every month to run proper games' only really spawned once the game released), in fact, many are graphically less superior than many console games because PC developers need to work within a dynamic platform with a individuality of each computer's separate capabilities and find a compromise, as a result, however, PC exclusive games will run better on customized hardware than that of Xbox games.

And console gaming more popular than PC gaming? No ****. PC gaming, whether we (as in PC gamers) like it or not, has always been a niche audience. Consoles are straight up simpler and more mainstream than the excitement and personalized feeling of constructing your very own gaming rig from your own hands. The mainstream audience just wants to pick up a controller and play. No bat**** conspiracy theories, no 'hurr pc gamers are all pirates lol', console gaming is flat-out easier to pick up.

Sometimes I hate spelling this kind of stuff out for people.

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