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[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I wonder if his name is supposed to be telling.

To suggest culling?  You could be right.

[soignee]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I wonder if his name is supposed to be telling.

probably, I got the sense the writers sat down with a book of baby names and researched specific names, as a lot are fairly accurate to the characters.

For Cullen, I've come up with three meanings that possibly fit. It's a Scottish surname meaning bend/back of a river. As a first name it can be a bastardised form of "cullinan" which means good looking lad.

Also it's the family name of a group of creepy vampires from a hideous series, where the main lead likes to stalk his lady...

Methinks it's the latter.

[Sarah1281]

Also it's the family name of a group of creepy vampires from a hideous series, where the main lead likes to stalk his lady...



Methinks it's the latter.

Now that I think of it, whenever I hear the name 'Cullen' I think 'stalker'...

[Addai]

soignee wrote...

Also it's the family name of a group of creepy vampires from a hideous series, where the main lead likes to stalk his lady...

Yet another pop culture reference I don't get?

[Herr Uhl]

The Cullen connection is purely coincidental.

Sheryl (the one who wrote him) never saw him as a creepy stalker.

Edit: Link to post.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 12 mai 2010 - 04:31 .

[Sarah1281]

Addai67 wrote...

soignee wrote...

Also it's the family name of a group of creepy vampires from a hideous series, where the main lead likes to stalk his lady...

Yet another pop culture reference I don't get?

You've never heard of Twilight? I am insanely jealous...

[Sarah1281]

Herr Uhl wrote...

The Cullen connection is purely coincidental.

Sheryl (the one who wrote him) never saw him as a creepy stalker.

Or purely subconscious. She never intentionally wrote him to be a creepy stalker. You know who else wrote about a Cullen they didn't see as a creepy stalker? Stephanie Meyer.

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

soignee wrote...

Also it's the family name of a group of creepy vampires from a hideous series, where the main lead likes to stalk his lady...

Yet another pop culture reference I don't get?

You've never heard of Twilight? I am insanely jealous...

Oh, right.  I've heard enough about it to figure I don't need to know any more about it.

So the writer didn't see Cullen as creepy stalker??  Interesting.

[Herr Uhl]

She saw him as a slightly more serious Alastair.

[Addai]

Herr Uhl wrote...

She saw him as a slightly more serious Alastair.

Uh... wow.  Even Alistair is creeped out by him in Broken Circle.

[HarlequinDream]

Addai67 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

She saw him as a slightly more serious Alastair.

Uh... wow.  Even Alistair is creeped out by him in Broken Circle.

But Alistair didn't take the vows, didn't crush on/fall for a mage, and wasn't tortured for days by a blood mage/demon prison.

I mean, I think that, in a way, Cullen is easily what Alistair could have become if he'd been left in the Chantry.

After all, Alistair gets very serious about "duty," even when you least expect it. So if he'd taken vows as a Templar and started having feelings for a mage? I could see the same conflict that built up in Cullen.

(Not saying he's not creepy in Broken Circle. He is. But I put that down to his guilt over his feelings and the days of torture during which, we can assume, Desire Demons or blood mage illusions have been taking various forms {even yours before} to seduce him and break his will.)

[Addai]

HarlequinDream wrote...

I mean, I think that, in a way, Cullen is easily what Alistair could have become if he'd been left in the Chantry.

After all, Alistair gets very serious about "duty," even when you least expect it. So if he'd taken vows as a Templar and started having feelings for a mage? I could see the same conflict that built up in Cullen.

I've always thought the ensorcelled templar (the one where the Desire Demon is creating illusions of a home life) is meant to represent what Alistair might have become.  I don't see Alistair as the crusading type, even in his duty-bound nature.

I suppose I'm being too harsh on Cullen.  In the origin he does tell you that he doesn't like the idea of killing mages, just as Alistair said.

[HarlequinDream]

Addai67 wrote...

HarlequinDream wrote...

I mean, I think that, in a way, Cullen is easily what Alistair could have become if he'd been left in the Chantry.

After all, Alistair gets very serious about "duty," even when you least expect it. So if he'd taken vows as a Templar and started having feelings for a mage? I could see the same conflict that built up in Cullen.

I've always thought the ensorcelled templar (the one where the Desire Demon is creating illusions of a home life) is meant to represent what Alistair might have become.  I don't see Alistair as the crusading type, even in his duty-bound nature.

I suppose I'm being too harsh on Cullen.  In the origin he does tell you that he doesn't like the idea of killing mages, just as Alistair said.

I don't think Alistair would have let the Desire Demon take him over, though. I think, like Cullen, he'd have fought. Granted, he falls pretty easily under the sway of the Sloth Demon's nightmare, so perhaps he would have been possessed.

Hard to say which side of Alistair would have won.

And that line always struck me. (And it made me wonder if Gregoir is oblivious or just MEAN.) Cullen's the one chosen to kill you if you become an abomination. He says he'd have done it, but I think it's obvious he'd have hated himself for it if he had.

(Moral of the story-- some people are destined for tragedy. Cullen is one of these people.)

[Verly]

I don't know, I've always found Cullen kind of creepy. and I wondered if the gossip you hear. I mean all the other mages *knew* he had a thing for her and then one you overhear that said she heard that the Templars watch you when you bathe. and then you finely get to talk to him ...after hearing all those things I already thought something might be wrong with him. then you talk to him and he's like.



.uhh..hi. I was the one they chose if you had become an abomination. "you would have done it?" yes, but I would have felt real bad about it. and then when you go back to the broken circle and you find out just how "wrong" he felt his feelings for you were. ewww.

[maxernst]

HarlequinDream wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

HarlequinDream wrote...

I mean, I think that, in a way, Cullen is easily what Alistair could have become if he'd been left in the Chantry.

After all, Alistair gets very serious about "duty," even when you least expect it. So if he'd taken vows as a Templar and started having feelings for a mage? I could see the same conflict that built up in Cullen.

I've always thought the ensorcelled templar (the one where the Desire Demon is creating illusions of a home life) is meant to represent what Alistair might have become.  I don't see Alistair as the crusading type, even in his duty-bound nature.

I suppose I'm being too harsh on Cullen.  In the origin he does tell you that he doesn't like the idea of killing mages, just as Alistair said.

I don't think Alistair would have let the Desire Demon take him over, though. I think, like Cullen, he'd have fought. Granted, he falls pretty easily under the sway of the Sloth Demon's nightmare, so perhaps he would have been possessed.

Hard to say which side of Alistair would have won.

And that line always struck me. (And it made me wonder if Gregoir is oblivious or just MEAN.) Cullen's the one chosen to kill you if you become an abomination. He says he'd have done it, but I think it's obvious he'd have hated himself for it if he had.

(Moral of the story-- some people are destined for tragedy. Cullen is one of these people.)

I don't think Alistair would fall prey to a desire demon or a pride demon.  The other types, possibly, but I don't think the weaknesses in his character tend in those directions.  I can't imagine Alistar ever taking the view that his duty was to "oppose mages"...keep them under control, yes, but that's not the same thing. He would take his vows VERY seriously (despite his lack of genuine faith), but we know from the Landsmeet that he can only be pushed so far by his sense of duty if it contradicts his sense of justice.

[Herr Uhl]

maxernst wrote...

I don't think Alistair would fall prey to a desire demon or a pride demon.  The other types, possibly, but I don't think the weaknesses in his character tend in those directions.  I can't imagine Alistar ever taking the view that his duty was to "oppose mages"...keep them under control, yes, but that's not the same thing. He would take his vows VERY seriously (despite his lack of genuine faith), but we know from the Landsmeet that he can only be pushed so far by his sense of duty if it contradicts his sense of justice.

1. Cullen never became possessed.
2. He went through some bad **** involving mages that he thought that he could trust.

People are to hard on him.

[BHRamsay]

Herr Uhl wrote...

maxernst wrote...

I don't think Alistair would fall prey to a desire demon or a pride demon.  The other types, possibly, but I don't think the weaknesses in his character tend in those directions.  I can't imagine Alistar ever taking the view that his duty was to "oppose mages"...keep them under control, yes, but that's not the same thing. He would take his vows VERY seriously (despite his lack of genuine faith), but we know from the Landsmeet that he can only be pushed so far by his sense of duty if it contradicts his sense of justice.

1. Cullen never became possessed.
2. He went through some bad **** involving mages that he thought that he could trust.

People are to hard on him.

I think it was the line -- To think, I used to think we were too hard on you mages now I like nothing more then to wipe their taint off the face of Thades. -- that kills it for me.

I'd like nothing better then to put Cullen and that Blood Mage who begs for her life together in the same room. let her see the result of violent change up close and personal.

[Herr Uhl]

Yes, he should definitely be perfectly rational a couple of hours after being released from torture and watching mages help demons to kill/possess his fellow templars.



And I heard that the psychotherapy department in Thedas is the best there is.

[Sarah1281]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Yes, he should definitely be perfectly rational a couple of hours after being released from torture and watching mages help demons to kill/possess his fellow templars.

And I heard that the psychotherapy department in Thedas is the best there is.

There's always his epilogue as either ten times the hardass Greagoir was or a serial mage-killer.

[Herr Uhl]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Yes, he should definitely be perfectly rational a couple of hours after being released from torture and watching mages help demons to kill/possess his fellow templars.

And I heard that the psychotherapy department in Thedas is the best there is.

There's always his epilogue as either ten times the hardass Greagoir was or a serial mage-killer.

Ah, the rehabilitation works well.

Edit: What I'm saying is that he goes coco for cocopuffs but it's understandable.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 12 mai 2010 - 11:46 .

[maxernst]

Well...certainly his statement that he would have killed you if you'd become an abomination doesn't bother me. If I were to become an abomination, I'd WANT to be killed...think of how awful it would be to be a spectator in your own body while something else controlled you.



His going bonkers later may be understandable, but it still doesn't make him any more attractive as a romantic partner. BTW, the comment about posession was because of the slightly off-topic discussion of the other templar in the tower with the desire demon.

[Tasmen]

I have three words...



And Cullen watched...



Seriously, I don't see Cullen as creepy. Socially awkward and conflicted because of what he wants and what he knows is his duty? Yes. Creepy, super obsessed, I want to snort you? No.

[Emerald Melios]

HarlequinDream wrote...

old book wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Do templars take wows of chastity?

Edit: I could see why they would, but I don't remember it being mentioned.

Good question. I wonder if it's explicitly stated someplace? We meet the Templar the Lust Demon has seduced with an illusion of a happy family life, so Cullen is hardly the only Templar dreaming of a normal life. Chantry Initiates take vows of celibacy, and sometimes break them. In The Calling we see that at least some Mages manage to have an active sex life. Wynne tells us that the Mages are forced to sneak around, and that if a female mage has a child the Chantry will take it away (which makes her willingness to submit to the chantry deeply disturbing imo).

I believe it is stated by the Desire Demon.

She says that if she were to leave the Templar, he'd return to the resentment of his vows and desire for a family.

So at the very least, it's heavily implied that Templars are forced into chastity.

And yes, it disturbs me greatly that Wynne is so pro-Chantry and yet they take a woman's child away. And took hers. So it's not just an abstract. She's had experience with it.

Wynne is a hypocrite.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Also, don't forget, he's a templar. Templars get addicted to Lyrium, lyruim screws up the brain alot. I think it furthers the potential for Templar to go easy off the deep end into freako territory.

[Emerald Melios]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Also, don't forget, he's a templar. Templars get addicted to Lyrium, lyruim screws up the brain alot. I think it furthers the potential for Templar to go easy off the deep end into freako territory.

Just look at Carroll and Rylock.