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Ramante wrote...

- If the Warden sided with Cullen, then Cullen will eventually become Knight-Commander of the Circle Tower after Greagoir retires, watching over the Magi with a much more strict and cruel regime than even Greagoir had.


- If the Warden was of Mage Origin and did not side with Cullen, and gives the Tower automony, he endures festering mental scars from his experience in the Tower, this leads to an eventual mental breakdown during which he kills a number Mage Apprentices before fleeing.

Edit: format hates me.


The ending slides are bugged then I've never gotten the mental breakdown thing when I chose Autonomy.

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Carroll was all kinds of awesome.

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Emerald Melios wrote...

HarlequinDream wrote...

old book wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Do templars take wows of chastity?

Edit: I could see why they would, but I don't remember it being mentioned.

Good question. I wonder if it's explicitly stated someplace? We meet the Templar the Lust Demon has seduced with an illusion of a happy family life, so Cullen is hardly the only Templar dreaming of a normal life. Chantry Initiates take vows of celibacy, and sometimes break them. In The Calling we see that at least some Mages manage to have an active sex life. Wynne tells us that the Mages are forced to sneak around, and that if a female mage has a child the Chantry will take it away (which makes her willingness to submit to the chantry deeply disturbing imo).



I believe it is stated by the Desire Demon.

She says that if she were to leave the Templar, he'd return to the resentment of his vows and desire for a family.

So at the very least, it's heavily implied that Templars are forced into chastity.

And yes, it disturbs me greatly that Wynne is so pro-Chantry and yet they take a woman's child away. And took hers. So it's not just an abstract. She's had experience with it.


Wynne is a hypocrite.


Wynne has Stockholm Syndrome. She was abused so badly, so systematically and so long that she completely internalized the point of view of her abusers. She has become part of the system, enforcing the will of those who imprisoned her and took away her child, calling the abuse she suffered good and justifying it because to call it evil would destroy what little self worth she has been able to construct.

Morrigan is right about the Mages, though she's also too damaged to show compassion about it. The system is horrific, and it deforms people. It turned Wynne, who might have been a kind, strong woman, into a platitude spouting mess who can't meaningfully resist when her child is taken from her and her apprentices abused, hunted and killed. It turned Cullen, who might under other circumstances have been a good man, into a self hating mess who ends up either insane or a brute.

Somehow the Dalish Elves and the Tevinter manage not to be destroyed by abominations, so the Chantry's claim that this is the only way to handle the risks of magic is obvious pig swill.

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sylvanaerie wrote...

Ramante wrote...

- If the Warden sided with Cullen, then Cullen will eventually become Knight-Commander of the Circle Tower after Greagoir retires, watching over the Magi with a much more strict and cruel regime than even Greagoir had.


- If the Warden was of Mage Origin and did not side with Cullen, and gives the Tower automony, he endures festering mental scars from his experience in the Tower, this leads to an eventual mental breakdown during which he kills a number Mage Apprentices before fleeing.

Edit: format hates me.


The ending slides are bugged then I've never gotten the mental breakdown thing when I chose Autonomy.

Poor kid.Posted Image


It'a true. I made Alistair king with my first mage and asked for autonomy. No mention of Cullen in the epilogue.

I made Anora rule alone with my second mage and again, I asked for autonomy. This time, Cullen was mentioned in the epilogue.

Weird bug if you ask me...

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Annie_Dear wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Ramante wrote...

- If the Warden sided with Cullen, then Cullen will eventually become Knight-Commander of the Circle Tower after Greagoir retires, watching over the Magi with a much more strict and cruel regime than even Greagoir had.


- If the Warden was of Mage Origin and did not side with Cullen, and gives the Tower automony, he endures festering mental scars from his experience in the Tower, this leads to an eventual mental breakdown during which he kills a number Mage Apprentices before fleeing.

Edit: format hates me.


The ending slides are bugged then I've never gotten the mental breakdown thing when I chose Autonomy.

Poor kid.Posted Image


It'a true. I made Alistair king with my first mage and asked for autonomy. No mention of Cullen in the epilogue.

I made Anora rule alone with my second mage and again, I asked for autonomy. This time, Cullen was mentioned in the epilogue.

Weird bug if you ask me...

I like to think that having an ex-templar as King helps Cullen keep very slightly more of a grip; he knows that the kingdom is in the hands of a good man who went through the same training he did. He's still damaged, but knowing that Alistair is out there keeps him from moving from damaged to broken.

OK, so I'm a softie. ;)

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old book wrote...

Annie_Dear wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Ramante wrote...

- If the Warden sided with Cullen, then Cullen will eventually become Knight-Commander of the Circle Tower after Greagoir retires, watching over the Magi with a much more strict and cruel regime than even Greagoir had.


- If the Warden was of Mage Origin and did not side with Cullen, and gives the Tower automony, he endures festering mental scars from his experience in the Tower, this leads to an eventual mental breakdown during which he kills a number Mage Apprentices before fleeing.

Edit: format hates me.


The ending slides are bugged then I've never gotten the mental breakdown thing when I chose Autonomy.

Poor kid.Posted Image


It'a true. I made Alistair king with my first mage and asked for autonomy. No mention of Cullen in the epilogue.

I made Anora rule alone with my second mage and again, I asked for autonomy. This time, Cullen was mentioned in the epilogue.

Weird bug if you ask me...

I like to think that having an ex-templar as King helps Cullen keep very slightly more of a grip; he knows that the kingdom is in the hands of a good man who went through the same training he did. He's still damaged, but knowing that Alistair is out there keeps him from moving from damaged to broken.

OK, so I'm a softie. ;)


Maybe that was the difference. I will try making Anora queen this time, I can just esc that hideous speech at the gates or else turn down the sound till its over.

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old book wrote...

Somehow the Dalish Elves and the Tevinter manage not to be destroyed by abominations, so the Chantry's claim that this is the only way to handle the risks of magic is obvious pig swill.

I suspect they have their own methods for training mages to resist demons embedded in their culture, just as the chantry does. Connor is an example of what can happen to an untrained / uneducated mage, so there has to be some system in place, but where the Dalish presumably trust their mages and in Tevinter where the mages are the ones in power, the Chantry is inherently suspicious of mages so feel the need to be more 'strict' with them.

Back to Cullen though, he's essentially two different people before and after Uldred's revolt. To say that the change is the blood mages' fault is besides the point, who is is after is no more his fault than who he was before, but the mage-hating tyrant becomes who he is and, while I quite liked him in the origin for being more considerate of mages than some others (though you never really see any templars degrading mages first-hand), I felt no more sympathy for the person he becomes than a city elf would have for Vaughan.

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I have to say playing as a female mage, I get it now why people want him as a love interest. My female mage warden wouldn't be able to date him though, not unless he gets some help for his post traumatic stress syndrome. She's not crazy enough to think love will fix him but she does want to open the door for him to get help for himself. She had a soft spot for him before he went crazy from toture.

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I don´t get the Cullen love. I just started a new female mage and I found him quire awkward.



Mind you, I would still have flirted with him because it´s fun to see him run off like an idiot, but alas I didn´t get the option.....

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Tirigon wrote...

I don´t get the Cullen love. I just started a new female mage and I found him quire awkward.

Mind you, I would still have flirted with him because it´s fun to see him run off like an idiot, but alas I didn´t get the option.....


You have to ask him if he would have really killed you to get that option.  I've tried them all and some of it's really cute, shame he went all crazy.