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[Ecael]

ratzerman wrote...

So..... character threads should be moved.... but this one is OK?

Actually, this one should be locked.

I'm surprised it hasn't been locked yet...

[kraidy1117]

Somebody1003 wrote...

Somebody has a Collector again

[Pacifien]

fortunesque wrote...
I disagree with separating the character threads into a different forum. They fit under the category of the title of this particular forum, under the whole "storylines" thing. Moving the character threads to a different forum would promote an "us and them" mentality that would serve to segregate the forums at large. It's an attitude that singles out character threads from this forum and says "characters are not a campaign, quest, or storyline; they are not as important as the other aspects of the game". And what would be on this new character thread forum? There would be maybe twelve threads. Separating these threads from the main spoilers forum would be a waste of time and space.

Separating the character threads into their own forums actually provides an opportunity to declutter a thread that reaches into the thousands into more specific threads. If I want to discuss one aspect of a character, do I really want to wade through several pages of pictures or separate alternative discussions going on at the same time? It actually limits any desire to participate in a character thread for me when it becomes an effort to maintain one road of conversation.

As for an "us and them" mentality, that already exists. Each of the more active threads has their own atmosphere to it, such that it's not hard to get one character thread commenting about how it's different on another one. And part of it probably has to do with the lack of extensive moderation, because it would be a monumental task to oversee each character thread and keep them focused on the topic at hand. It's been that way for so long, I imagine there'd be resentment and resistance to any attempt to curb it.

[fortunesque]

Ecael wrote...

"Mass Effect 2 Official Campaign Quests and Storylines (Spoilers Warning) - This forum is for Mass Effect 2 fans to discuss the game's storyline and quests."

"Mass Effect 2 Characters, classes and Builds (Spoilers allowed) - Share your stories, artwork, music, web sites or other creative works inspired by Mass Effect 2."

They actually fit under the category of the other forum, but it's basically become the gameplay discussion forum. If the forum descriptions were true to its word, any thread on this subforum containing fanmade art would either be moved to the other forum or locked for being off-topic.

Having separate threads dedicated solely to specific characters already engenders mob mentality. To illustrate this, just go into any support thread of "x" character and start talking about how terrible their character is in terms of storyline, combat ability, looks or how obsessive their fans are.

They could fit into either category. Given that the devs have personally been in multiple character threads and haven't locked them, they believe that they have a right to be on this particular forum. The characters are a part of the Mass Effect storyline. Again, the character threads have a right to exist on this forum as much as the Characters, classes and builds forum.

Having *any* opinion that is different from someone else's on this forum creates a mob mentality. Look at the number of folks that are ridiculed for preferring ME1 over ME2. Look at the shooter vs rpg people. There are folks that are passionate about these issues just as much as the character threads. Some will even go so far as to collect a list of quotes from a user that has a dissenting opinion just so they can use those quotes to ridicule them.

[Pacifien]

Ecael wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

So..... character threads should be moved.... but this one is OK?

Actually, this one should be locked.

I'm surprised it hasn't been locked yet...

Yeah, I reported it, too.

[ratzerman]

Shavon wrote...

Ecael, an Easter egg? nah, a dancing, drunk Shishk the Vorcha should be, first, after throwing a party for Liara after being her secretary for a week.

I agree with this 1,000,000%

[Pacifien]

fortunesque wrote...
They could fit into either category. Given that the devs have personally been in multiple character threads and haven't locked them, they believe that they have a right to be on this particular forum.

I've gotten the feeling the moderators only tolerate the character threads as they exist right now. Inevitable spam in a contained space is better than spam explosion and continuous moderation.

[Ecael]

fortunesque wrote...

Ecael wrote...

"Mass Effect 2 Official Campaign Quests and Storylines (Spoilers Warning) - This forum is for Mass Effect 2 fans to discuss the game's storyline and quests."

"Mass Effect 2 Characters, classes and Builds (Spoilers allowed) - Share your stories, artwork, music, web sites or other creative works inspired by Mass Effect 2."

They actually fit under the category of the other forum, but it's basically become the gameplay discussion forum. If the forum descriptions were true to its word, any thread on this subforum containing fanmade art would either be moved to the other forum or locked for being off-topic.

Having separate threads dedicated solely to specific characters already engenders mob mentality. To illustrate this, just go into any support thread of "x" character and start talking about how terrible their character is in terms of storyline, combat ability, looks or how obsessive their fans are.

They could fit into either category. Given that the devs have personally been in multiple character threads and haven't locked them, they believe that they have a right to be on this particular forum. The characters are a part of the Mass Effect storyline. Again, the character threads have a right to exist on this forum as much as the Characters, classes and builds forum.

It's more likely that they haven't locked them fearing the backlash that would result from shunning a specific character's thread. The forum would then be plagued by threads saying "Why didn't you lock this character's thread then?", accusing the moderators of favoritism. Again, mob mentality on this forum occurs with the largest mobs.

Having *any* opinion that is different from someone else's on this forum creates a mob mentality. Look at the number of folks that are ridiculed for preferring ME1 over ME2. Look at the shooter vs rpg people. There are folks that are passionate about these issues just as much as the character threads.

None of those threads become nearly as large as the character threads, though.

Some will even go so far as to collect a list of quotes from a user that has a dissenting opinion just so they can use those quotes to ridicule them.

I only did that once, and that was in response to being labeled as biased towards a specific character!

[fortunesque]

Pacifien wrote...

fortunesque wrote...
They could fit into either category. Given that the devs have personally been in multiple character threads and haven't locked them, they believe that they have a right to be on this particular forum.

I've gotten the feeling the moderators only tolerate the character threads as they exist right now. Inevitable spam in a contained space is better than spam explosion and continuous moderation.

And this is the fundamental difference between those who dislike the character threads and those who don't mind them or participate in one of them. Those who don't bother with character threads will generally declare them to be a mire filled with spam and empty, thoughtless posts. Those who participate in character threads find a thread that they can actively engage in conversation about a character that they enjoy.

[Ecael]

Shavon wrote...

I agree with Fort.

AGAIN, if the devs were ever intending to do this, they would already.  This wish has been out there long enoughfor them to have become aware of it.

It's also possible that there's a good technical reason why they can't implement a new forum, but they just don't want to say it.

The same applies to the lack of dialogue wheels for Zaeed and Kasumi. For some reason, the DLC team had technical difficulties in making new dialogue wheels aboard the Normandy to coincide with the new sound files.

[TJSolo]

fortunesque wrote...

They could fit into either category. Given that the devs have personally been in multiple character threads and haven't locked them, they believe that they have a right to be on this particular forum. The characters are a part of the Mass Effect storyline. Again, the character threads have a right to exist on this forum as much as the Characters, classes and builds forum.

Having *any* opinion that is different from someone else's on this forum creates a mob mentality. Look at the number of folks that are ridiculed for preferring ME1 over ME2. Look at the shooter vs rpg people. There are folks that are passionate about these issues just as much as the character threads. Some will even go so far as to collect a list of quotes from a user that has a dissenting opinion just so they can use those quotes to ridicule them.

I agree that the character discussion threads are more about the storyline of the character and not the gameplay side.

As for the last paragrah. Wow. You hit the nail on the head.

[fortunesque]

Ecael wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

Ecael wrote...

"Mass Effect 2 Official Campaign Quests and Storylines (Spoilers Warning) - This forum is for Mass Effect 2 fans to discuss the game's storyline and quests."

"Mass Effect 2 Characters, classes and Builds (Spoilers allowed) - Share your stories, artwork, music, web sites or other creative works inspired by Mass Effect 2."

They actually fit under the category of the other forum, but it's basically become the gameplay discussion forum. If the forum descriptions were true to its word, any thread on this subforum containing fanmade art would either be moved to the other forum or locked for being off-topic.

Having separate threads dedicated solely to specific characters already engenders mob mentality. To illustrate this, just go into any support thread of "x" character and start talking about how terrible their character is in terms of storyline, combat ability, looks or how obsessive their fans are.

They could fit into either category. Given that the devs have personally been in multiple character threads and haven't locked them, they believe that they have a right to be on this particular forum. The characters are a part of the Mass Effect storyline. Again, the character threads have a right to exist on this forum as much as the Characters, classes and builds forum.

It's more likely that they haven't locked them fearing the backlash that would result from shunning a specific character's thread. The forum would then be plagued by threads saying "Why didn't you lock this character's thread then?", accusing the moderators of favoritism. Again, mob mentality on this forum occurs with the largest mobs.

Having *any* opinion that is different from someone else's on this forum creates a mob mentality. Look at the number of folks that are ridiculed for preferring ME1 over ME2. Look at the shooter vs rpg people. There are folks that are passionate about these issues just as much as the character threads.

None of those threads become nearly as large as the character threads, though.

Some will even go so far as to collect a list of quotes from a user that has a dissenting opinion just so they can use those quotes to ridicule them.

I only did that once, and that was in response to being labeled as biased towards a specific character!

1. The mods are not afraid of backlash or any such nonsense.
2. You're assuming that there's something wrong with a long thread that encourages discussion about an aspect of Mass Effect.
3. This shows that you're not an impartial person.

[Ecael]

fortunesque wrote...

And this is the fundamental difference between those who dislike the character threads and those who don't mind them or participate in one of them. Those who don't bother with character threads will generally declare them to be a mire filled with spam and empty, thoughtless posts. Those who participate in character threads find a thread that they can actively engage in conversation about a character that they enjoy.

That's generalizing the opinions of people a bit. I can only assume there is a lot of good discussion coming from the support threads, but at the same time, they're prone to spam or off-topic conversations (just as this thread is, actually!).

It's also improbable that a single character can be talked about in-depth for hundreds (or thousands) of pages.

[Goodwood]

Goodwood would like to remind everyone that just because two camps take two mutually-exclusive sides in a debate, that does not mean that the answer must lie somewhere in the middle. He would also point out that just because someone disagrees with a point, it doesn't mean that that person dislikes the one who made the point that they disagree with.

[Pacifien]

fortunesque wrote...
And this is the fundamental difference between those who dislike the character threads and those who don't mind them or participate in one of them. Those who don't bother with character threads will generally declare them to be a mire filled with spam and empty, thoughtless posts. Those who participate in character threads find a thread that they can actively engage in conversation about a character that they enjoy.

I do participate in character threads. I see more potential in overhauling them, but until that actually happens, I work with what's there.

From previous experiences with forums and moderation, I think an overhaul is a bit optimistic.

[Goodwood]

Shavon wrote...

This went off-topic fast.

This thread wobbles on and off-topic with the regularity of an ociliscope.

[Ecael]

fortunesque wrote...

1. The mods are not afraid of backlash or any such nonsense.

They can't handle large amounts of spam resulting from a backlash - and sometimes, it takes a long time for them to lock a thread that needs to be locked right away (take this one, for example). It's better if they appease those who prefer a certain character by letting these threads stay.

2. You're assuming that there's something wrong with a long thread that encourages discussion about an aspect of Mass Effect.

There is something wrong when it's not organized into one thread or forum, however.

3. This shows that you're not an impartial person.

I'm definitely not impartial toward certain posters on this forum, that's for sure. In terms of discussing characters, however, I don't really favor one over the other.

[fortunesque]

Ecael wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

And this is the fundamental difference between those who dislike the character threads and those who don't mind them or participate in one of them. Those who don't bother with character threads will generally declare them to be a mire filled with spam and empty, thoughtless posts. Those who participate in character threads find a thread that they can actively engage in conversation about a character that they enjoy.

That's generalizing the opinions of people a bit. I can only assume there is a lot of good discussion coming from the support threads, but at the same time, they're prone to spam or off-topic conversations (just as this thread is, actually!).

It's also improbable that a single character can be talked about in-depth for hundreds (or thousands) of pages.

And I can infer the opposite; when people find something they love, they can go on and on about it. Sometimes it's serious. Sometimes it's silly. But ultimately, it's about the character in those threads.


@ Goodwood- You sound suspiciously like Handheld... just sayin'