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[WilliamShatner]

CybAnt1 wrote...

*shrugs* I'm not familiar with this mod, but a quick perusal of Nexus will show anyone there are already 11ty billion porn mods out there. I don't view it as a loss, trying to surf through that garbage to find anything remotely relevant to DAO gameplay gets harder everyday as it is. Don't get me started on the 80000000000000 face morph mods that all look the same.

I'm with you on this. 

Fact is, the adult mod section is larger than the non-adult mod section at Nexus. It's weird, there are two mods out there that give the player a personal keep (basically as a free alternative to WK). Both of them are in the adult section, because AFAICT one offers nude dancers, and the other a chance to sleep with most of your servants. Yep, that's what I want in my keep, not a blacksmith.... :innocent:

Some of those mods really make me scratch my head. Sexualized Ogres? What the hell is the point? 

The only reason I care ... is mostly for the same reason as you ... I'd really love mods that add new companions to the game, or new quests, or rework the UI, or add or revamp features of gameplay. (I don't use most of the cosmetic stuff either.) 

Now I know those are hard to write, but ... seeing how much amazing effort people put into such things as adding more sex scenes to the game, it really makes me wonder what they could do if they weren't focused on adding pr0n to it instead. 

But oh well, it's exactly why the alt.binaries.sex.thisorthat Usenet groups were always the most heavily trafficked, and why pr0n is the most profitable thing on the Internet. It's just the way it is. 

I'd say the popularity of this type of content in the modding arena is due to the paucity of this content from the actual industry.

[bzombo]

Ninjatroll wrote...

From what I understand it was banned by Bioware, not closed by Jackfuzz. While I do agree that the Sexualized Ogre/Mabari/Whatever... mods make me scrach my head in confusion, on why someone makes it. I do not see the point in screaming at any modmaker that make things. I see little use in headmorphs and God items, but I dont complain about them, i just ignore them.

I never saw the "sex"mods as a substitue for porn, i doubt anyone does. If someone wants animated porn, they get Hentai. This however is just a expansion of charachter interaction and roleplaying. Sex is an important thing in real life. And it's quite odd that its entirly ignored in computer games. The market is clearly there. There will be good "sex mods" and there will be bad ones, as in every category (quests, items, dungeons...), but to dismiss the entire category with "whats the point, just get some real porn" is a little immature. Everything is about how its done.

well, having a mod that allows incest and is hosted on the site of the developer would reflect pretty poorly on bioware, don't you think? i'm surprised it lasted as long as it did. as for sex, i think there's a mod that removes the underwear. bioware, as far as i know, has not gotten that removed. so, yes, like you said, it is about how it is done.

[Dick Delaware]

OK, so I've read the original thread, and it seems like a really f*cking stupid idea. Dragon Age Nexus seems like a hotbed for idiotic, adolescent pr0n mods. I don't particularly care if anybody wants to have incestuous sex with Elanor Cousland, but at the same time, I am confused as to why someone would put all the effort into putting together a mod for something so pointless.

It's not like they're adding an interesting quest / fixing bugs / improving animations and textures. This mod sounds like juvenile nonsense designed for the dumbest of people.

I guess I've been spoiled on mods because of Thief II. The community for that game has done some really incredible things - sprawling campaigns with voice acting, excellent writing, atmosphere, superb level design, and an engine that's been modified so much that it looks like Thief: Deadly Shadows. I see nothing with that level of maturity and thoughtfulness in any of the Dragon Age mods.

It's made up mostly of who you can sex0rz.

Modifié par Dick Delaware, 14 mai 2010 - 06:27 .

[TaHol]

People running Nexus seem to be quite sick of all this pr0n-wave too. And when they decided to do some cleaning (mostly just making rules more clear, and making sure everything adult-rated is in adult-only), they get accused of censorism. Like if they wouldn' t have every right to decide what they want to host on THEIR site. After all the time I've spent in DAONexus, I know there is no hope for human kind and we could all just do a global suicide.

[Dick Delaware]

TaHol wrote...

People running Nexus seem to be quite sick of all this pr0n-wave too. And when they decided to do some cleaning (mostly just making rules more clear, and making sure everything adult-rated is in adult-only), they get accused of censorism. Like if they wouldn' t have every right to decide what they want to host on THEIR site. After all the time I've spent in DAONexus, I know there is no hope for human kind and we could all just do a global suicide.

Really? That sounds promising. If they're phasing out stupid bullsh*t like ogre penises flopping around, or at least, putting it somewhere else, that's a good thing. I honestly don't understand the thought processes of the creators of some of these more ridiculous mods. Like, these people sat down, thought about it and figured "Hey, you know what? This game could use more ogre c*ck." and ACTUALLY WENT TO THE TROUBLE OF PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER. Don't get me wrong, I love modders - guys like Oscuro are very talented (in fact, so talented that Obsidian hired him) but stuff like this is just laughable. It doesn't make the game better, just more juvenile and silly.

I just want to point out that my objection is not at all to the sexual themes here. Visiting a place like the Pearl added a lot of character to Denerim and had a ton of genuinely funny material. Morrigan freaking out at my PC for propositioning Isabelle was hilarious. The difference between a place like The Pearl, which was funny and interesting, and these mods is that the latter won't amuse anyone over the age of twelve.

[TheMadCat]

OK, so I've read the original thread, and it seems like a really f*cking
stupid idea. Dragon Age Nexus seems like a hotbed for idiotic,
adolescent pr0n mods. I don't particularly care if anybody wants to have
incestuous sex with Elanor Cousland, but at the same time, I am
confused as to why someone would put all the effort into putting
together a mod for something so pointless.

It's not like they're
adding an interesting quest / fixing bugs / improving animations and
textures. This mod sounds like juvenile nonsense designed for the
dumbest of people.

Like if they wouldn' t have every right to decide what they want to host
on THEIR site. After all the time I've spent in DAONexus, I know there
is no hope for human kind and we could all just do a global suicide.

Wow, overreact much? I'm not a fan of these mods, they're not my cup of tea. But I certainly aren't going to sit here and say they're a waste of time or berate them, it's obvious people enjoy them and find them entertaining after all people take the time to make them, are widely popular, and hell the whole point of video games is to find entertainment, if this is helps them find it so be it. Just because it's not the type of mod you enjoy doesn't mean it's a waste of time or a poor reflection on them, let's keep things in perspective.

Now if you truly are disappointed that the majority of mods coming out aren't of your tastes, instead of bashing and berating those making these mods and being annoyed at the "quality" coming out why don't you download the toolset, read a few tutorials, head to your library and get a couple books on the various scripting languages and 3D modelin/texturing, and make the type of mods you would like to see instead of raging on like bigots.

[TaHol]

...who is overreacting here?

[Lintanis]

TaHol wrote...

I know there is no hope for human kind and we could all just do a global suicide.

 I feel like that every time there is a Big Brother announced or a Im a Celebrity get me out of here    its Just soo much arse gravy 

[Ninjatroll]

TaHol wrote...

...who is overreacting here?

The people going psycho over an optional part of a much larger mod.

[DLAN_Immortality]

relhart wrote...

*shrugs* I'm not familiar with this mod, but a quick perusal of Nexus will show anyone there are already 11ty billion porn mods out there. I don't view it as a loss, trying to surf through that garbage to find anything remotely relevant to DAO gameplay gets harder everyday as it is. Don't get me started on the 80000000000000 face morph mods that all look the same.

So much truth...

TheMadCat wrote...
Now if you truly are disappointed that the
majority of mods coming out aren't of your tastes, instead of bashing
and berating those making these mods and being annoyed at the "quality"
coming out why don't you download the toolset, read a few tutorials,
head to your library and get a couple books on the various scripting
languages and 3D modelin/texturing, and make the type of mods you would
like to see instead of raging on like bigots.

I think you are misunderstanding TaHol...
Firstly I must say it's a delight to work with somebody as passionate as her, she's a great tester and I can tell you she has done things in the toolset.

But anyway, I think she's referring to the fact that it's "kind of depressing" (yes, I'm using quotes here, I don't want to stomp on people's sensibilities) that 90% of mods are p0rn and face morphs, as relhart says.
Nothing bad about that... I guess... just depressing. At least to me, as a modder, it's sad to see that the first mods out there (Oblivion, Fallout...) were naked mods, whorish reskins, s-lutty outfits and ogre penises.
Just take a look at the highest ranking mods in Nexus.

... Really...


About Jack's mod (and having just complained about all the porn out there), I have to say that I don't personally see any problem with it... incest or no incest, it's a videogame. If Bio allows naked mods and porn mods all over, why act so stuck up with an incest mod? Killing is also bad and I've seen my fair share of decapitation in DAO...
Seems kind of hypocritical to me.


EDIT: By the way, I'm not undermining any modder's work. Making cutscenes, reskins and what have you take a lot of time and genuine effort to try and do something good. :-)

Modifié par DLAN_Immortality, 14 mai 2010 - 09:29 .

[CybAnt1]

I'd say the popularity of this type of content in the modding arena is due to the paucity of this content from the actual industry.

Well, I'm kinda with the comedian Jimmy Tingle about this. We have weird priorities as a society. We don't want our video games (or TV shows or anything else) showing anything like actual sexuality or even mere nudity, especially apparently to those under 18. (Which is the basic reason Bioware has the game's few actual sex scenes occur in underwear.) I mean, given the reaction people had in this society to Janet Jackson's nipple, you would think no one ever breast fed their children. (Guess what gang: if so, your kids have seen nipples before.) 

And yet we don't give a rat's *ss about the high-gore settings of Dragon Age being watched by kids under 18, including the rather cinematic slo-mo decapitations and blood-splattering finishing moves, or the fact that you're walking around half the time with blood splattered all over you (but your Dog will cheerily lick off, fortunately.) Video game sex? Bad for kids under 18. Video game violence? Crank it as high as you can go. The more gruesome and gorier, the better. 

Like Jimmy Tingle says, by the time a kid turns 18 and watches the typical amount of U.S. TV (European is something different and I'm sure our European friends can chime in), he'll have seen no one having actual sex (just implied, at best) but will have gotten to watch some 20,000 murders, some often rather horrific in their explicit brutality. 

With Darkspawn Chronicles, a kid under 18 playing Dragon Age can raze an entire city and slaughter all of its inhabitants, but he can't see Alistair or Morrigan in anything other than underwear. That also is kinda silly.

On the one hand, I wonder about some of the modders' priorities, yes (not all the ones making sexual content, just the head-scratchers), but ... yes, I also agree that one can see the exact weird skew they're addressing.

 

[TheMadCat]

TaHoL wrote...

...who is overreacting here?

TaHol wrote...

People running Nexus seem to be quite sick of all this pr0n-wave too. And when they decided to do some cleaning (mostly just making rules more clear, and making sure everything adult-rated is in adult-only), they get accused of censorism. Like if they wouldn' t have every right to decide what they want to host on THEIR site. After all the time I've spent in DAONexus, I know there is no hope for human kind and we could all just do a global suicide.

Now onto DLAN's comments...

But anyway, I think she's referring to the fact that it's "kind of
depressing" (yes, I'm using quotes here, I don't want to stomp on
people's sensibilities) that 90% of mods are p0rn and face morphs, as
relhart says.
Nothing bad about that... I guess... just depressing.
At least to me, as a modder, it's sad to see that the first mods out
there (Oblivion, Fallout...) were naked mods, whorish reskins, s-lutty
outfits and ogre penises.
Just take a look at the highest ranking
mods in Nexus.

But again, it's obvious people, many people actually, enjoy this type of content and ultimately that's the entire purpose of video games, to get enjoyment. People such as you and I may not be fans of the content but some of the bigotry I've seen in this thread is far more pathetic then those making and downloading these mods.

Is it depressing, eh I kind of expected it so not on my end. Dragon Age just isn't built to really allow for the same type and quality of mods you see in Bethesda games so for me there was no reason to ever expect much, I mean whats the point of putting in the effort for a total combat overhaul when ultimately the main aspect of the game is going to play out exactly the same way as the dozen times you played it prior to making the mod. The other problem is that, unlike Bethesda who has years spaced out between their releases and each title is fairly unquie from the others, BioWare seems keen on cranking out titles as quick as possible and since they produce their titles from the same exact mold every time there just isn't enough variety to really keep people coming back to DA:O, and for a modder it's a huge turn off. The enviorment around DA:O just really isn't ideal enough to garner a large community of skilled modders like you see over on the Bethesda games or from the NWN community.

As you said, modding is a ton of work and people do it for the sole reason to enhance their enjoyment and sometimes they're willing to share their work with others. People find these mods enjoyable, I say more power to them. There is zero reason to knock them or the situation of DA:O modding as a whole.

[Ninjatroll]

CybAnt1 wrote...
And yet we don't give a rat's *ss about the high-gore settings of Dragon Age being watched by kids under 18, including the rather cinematic slo-mo decapitations and blood-splattering finishing moves, or the fact that you're walking around half the time with blood splattered all over you (but your Dog will cheerily lick off, fortunately.) Video game sex? Bad for kids under 18. Video game violence? Crank it as high as you can go. The more gruesome and gorier, the better.

It's actualy quite sickening, violence is more tolerated than sex. I do not have any problem with violencfe in video games or movies and do not think ther is anything in Dragon age a normal 15 year old kid couldn't handle. I do not see how animated nudity could be a problem, at all. 15 year olds have sex in real life, they can probably see a naked polygon model. And i cant understand how anyone could give any sane arguments for why violence is ok but not sex. If you have a problem with both, fine, that is your opinion, atleast you are not a hypocrite. The same can not be said about people endorsing/tolerating violence but going balistic over sexual content.

CybAnt1 wrote...
Like Jimmy Tingle says, by the time a kid turns 18 and watches the typical amount of U.S. TV (European is something different and I'm sure our European friends can chime in), he'll have seen no one having actual sex (just implied, at best) but will have gotten to watch some 20,000 murders, some often rather horrific in their explicit brutality.

Yes in most of Europe it's quite different. Sweden being one of the most liberal countries when it comes to sex, I do see a worring slow trend moving towards the american way of thinking thou.

Films like the American Pie series, (and similar films with full nudity, more than implied sex and crude jokes), that are R rated in US have the for the most part, the lowest possible age rating in sweden (All ages allowed and no parantal permission needed). Not that things are perfect, we do however have had a long history of censoring violence in films, until 95, that was when the last mainstreem film was cut, Casino btw..., and this even for adults. Noone cares if children see naked people, but films like Texas Chainsaw Massacre (if you actualy seen it, you will know that the actual violence is not that graphic) where banned.

Modifié par Ninjatroll, 14 mai 2010 - 11:32 .

[Lucy Glitter]

Dick Delaware wrote...

OK, so I've read the original thread, and it seems like a really f*cking stupid idea. Dragon Age Nexus seems like a hotbed for idiotic, adolescent pr0n mods. I don't particularly care if anybody wants to have incestuous sex with Elanor Cousland, but at the same time, I am confused as to why someone would put all the effort into putting together a mod for something so pointless.

It's not like they're adding an interesting quest / fixing bugs / improving animations and textures. This mod sounds like juvenile nonsense designed for the dumbest of people.

I guess I've been spoiled on mods because of Thief II. The community for that game has done some really incredible things - sprawling campaigns with voice acting, excellent writing, atmosphere, superb level design, and an engine that's been modified so much that it looks like Thief: Deadly Shadows. I see nothing with that level of maturity and thoughtfulness in any of the Dragon Age mods.

It's made up mostly of who you can sex0rz.

I know. You should see the Oblivion and Fallout nexus. With modding sites, comes teh Pr0n.

Though I will say Dragon Age has got it's already amazing new player-made campaigns, some released, some coming out very soon. Don't sweat it, every moddable game has it's large collection of juvenile Pr0n, but they also have their gems.

I know for a fact that we already have, like, 6 very amazing mods out already, and there are tons on the way. This toolset is just really, really difficult.

And, trust me, I really do know  

Have you checked out Alley of Murders, Risen, Bloodworks, Kal-Sharok or Fragments of Fereldan?

[Kryyptehk]

Ninjatroll wrote...

TaHol wrote...

...who is overreacting here?

The people going psycho over an optional part of a much larger mod.

I think its funny that someone can disagree with someone else and they get called psycho. Sarcasm does exist, darlings. And people are allowed to disagree without being angry.

I personally am glad they banned the mod. That mod would be like putting up a mod that lets you have sex with children. Or where you can rape people.

I support keeping the sex mods on the modsites because as people said, it's optional and not illegal. I don't download those types of mods personally, but that's because I'm a bit of a prude with my video games. And the character's lifeless faces freak me out when they are in the middle of...relations.

But am I angry about the mod? No. Would I be angry if they allowed it? No, but I would be disgusted (unless Elanor was taken out, in which I wouldn't care). If anything, the people who get onto other people for overeacting are the ones doing just that.

[AlceonDays]

Kryyptehk wrote...
That mod would be like putting up a mod that lets you have sex with children. Or where you can rape people.

Hmm, comparing apples to pears here? In very few cultures, incest is absolutely normal. I even know one person myself which is involved in incest and she's (gasp, yes, it's a female) in love with her brother, same as he is. And you know what? I've never heard of some incest guy/girl molesting children or raping someone.
I'm neither pro, nor contra about incest. That one line of yours sounded quite fanatic though, and i utterly dislike fanatics.
Live and let live, as long as no one gets hurt. Peace and out.

Modifié par Draelren, 08 avril 2011 - 12:00 .