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The comic is bantha poodoo, for many reasons discussed.

Nozybidaj wrote...

Heavy risk and a very uncertain prize lies down the path of additional Liara content for ME2.  I'm almost inclined to just leave things be and wrap myself up in warm memories of Liara and ME1 when I need a Mass Effect fix.


Well, you can always pretend ME1 was just an awesome stand-alone game/story and ignore the existence of the comic, ME2, and (possibly) ME3!  Pretend the Reapers gave up for another 50,000 years after Sovereign's defeat and Liara/Shep spent a hundred years together in peace and bliss!  After Shepard's death, Liara becomes an influential member of asari society and eventually a powerful matriarch.  This is what I plan to do, at least if things don't get better.

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This is what worries me more than anything: that the DLC will make things worse instead of better.  And seriously, at this point, why should we assume otherwise?  Every comment out of Bioware since they shipped ME2 has been arrogant and self-congratulatory.  They honestly think they did everything right.  As Liara fans, we should all be bracing ourselves.  The worst might be yet to come.
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You mean, like how the comic made things worse instead of better?  *gasps*  It's already happening!   :pinched:

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jlb524 wrote...

Well, you can always pretend ME1 was just an awesome stand-alone game/story and ignore the existence of the comic, ME2, and (possibly) ME3!  Pretend the Reapers gave up for another 50,000 years after Sovereign's defeat and Liara/Shep spent a hundred years together in peace and bliss!  After Shepard's death, Liara becomes an influential member of asari society and eventually a powerful matriarch.  This is what I plan to do, at least if things don't get better.


This is exactly what I do with the Matrix trilogy.

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As I wrote, I know only half the story. I'm ready to understand that Liara wants to bring down the Shadow Broker for what he/she/they did - to Shepard's body, to her, and to her "friend".
But then I learnt that this friend is Feron - the same guy who distracts her on Omega and messes up a solid plan to retrieve Shepard's body right there, and who apparently has worked as an agent for pretty much everyone short of Saren, Sovereign and the Collectors?
Oh my. Liara, I felt special after our time in ME1.
I felt guilty after ME 2.
And I feel like an idiot after ME:Redemption!

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Another problem I have with this comic is that it adds nothing to the story that we don't already find out in ME2 from Liara or Miranda or even The Illusive Man. Now, this would have been OK if the purpose of the comic was to really show Liara's character progression from ME1 to ME2 but it doesn't do that either. As mentioned, she starts off as the more aggro/edgy ME2 Liara.

And Feron, yeah, unfortunately, most readers aren't sympathetic to him and think he's a buffoon.  Liara feels the same, but decides to dedicate her efforts into potentially rescuing him.  I just have a hard time buying that this is the only thing motivating her vengeance and keeping her from joining Shepard in a much much more important mission (saving tens of thousands of human colonists from the Collectors is more important than saving one most likely dead person).

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Wildecker wrote...

Oh my. Liara, I felt special after our time in ME1.
I felt guilty after ME 2.
And I feel like an idiot after ME:Redemption!


:D  Hehe, that is a very nice way to put it.

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jlb524 wrote...

The comic is bantha poodoo, for many reasons discussed.

Nozybidaj wrote...

Heavy risk and a very uncertain prize lies down the path of additional Liara content for ME2.  I'm almost inclined to just leave things be and wrap myself up in warm memories of Liara and ME1 when I need a Mass Effect fix.


Well, you can always pretend ME1 was just an awesome stand-alone game/story and ignore the existence of the comic, ME2, and (possibly) ME3!  Pretend the Reapers gave up for another 50,000 years after Sovereign's defeat and Liara/Shep spent a hundred years together in peace and bliss!  After Shepard's death, Liara becomes an influential member of asari society and eventually a powerful matriarch.  This is what I plan to do, at least if things don't get better.


Yeah, I'll probably be much happier in the end going that route. ^_^

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Chris Priestly wrote...

Mass Effect's lead writer Mac Walters


What about Drew ?  No love for him ... looks like his involvment in ME3 will be 0

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Tamahome560 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Mass Effect's lead writer Mac Walters


What about Drew ?  No love for him ... looks like his involvment in ME3 will be 0

I think they decided to put him full time on Star Wars: The Old Republic.

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Chris Priestly wrote...

Also, for those super-fans like myself, there is a very rare Hardcover edition of the Mass Effect Redemption trade paperback coming.


A "super-fan", eh? Yeah, I'm sure any "super-fan" would just love what BioWare did to Liara. Including the complete destruction of her role in ME 2, so that nothing from the comic series would be spoiled. I'm sure every "super-fan" is just enthusiastic about that new edition too. The comics are so wonderfully drawn and written after all, aren't they! Oh yes, so very much indeed!

<_<

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I agree totally, Chris. Mass Effect Redemption was awesome! I liked how Liara changed. The book showed to me how an event like that can change a shy person to a cold one.

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PetrySilva wrote...

I agree totally, Chris. Mass Effect Redemption was awesome! I liked how Liara changed. The book showed to me how an event like that can change a shy person to a cold one.


That and helping kill your own mother can change ya too.

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PetrySilva wrote...

I agree totally, Chris. Mass Effect Redemption was awesome! I liked how Liara changed. The book showed to me how an event like that can change a shy person to a cold one.


It did show the change?  When?  Liara started off that way.  :pinched:

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The absurd characterisation aside, was anyone else bothered by how every single female in the comic seemed to suffer from lordosis?

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justinnstuff wrote...

ratzerman wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...
On the other hand there is a very good chance we'll just get more of the same and they'll pretty much take any remaining virtues of the character and grind them into dust.

This is what worries me more than anything: that the DLC will make things worse instead of better.  And seriously, at this point, why should we assume otherwise?  Every comment out of Bioware since they shipped ME2 has been arrogant and self-congratulatory.  They honestly think they did everything right.  As Liara fans, we should all be bracing ourselves.  The worst might be yet to come.
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I think most Liara fans are already on this boat.


Coming from one of the few Liara fans that liked the ending to the comic -- and for reference, I liked the ending to the Matrix trilogy, so I'm what you might call a 'little off', but I personally saw plenty of justification for 'I was afraid you would hate me' in the very same line that detonated the thread back in March -- I still have a lot of worry about this.  They had the task of explaining why geeky scientist Liara became scary b-word Liara, or as a few of us on the Liara thread think is more likely, why she began wearing that scary-b face to the galaxy while still being largely the same person, and the aforementioned task of explaining the nearly-hidden dialogue when she drops her guard.  Their success at the latter is debatable, and their success at the former is practically nonexistent.

And this all goes back to promise vs. execution.  They promised us 'full substantial roles' for Ash, Kai and Liara, we got roles that are not only glorified cameos, but can easily be seen as character derailment.  We were promised new LIs 'so deep and substantial' that nearly everyone would cheat, and we got one person I'm tempted by at all out of seven (and she doesn't even count -- Unfortunate Implications, anyone?), and very little suggestion at all that there's any cheating TO happen.  (For serious, why isn't Liara mentioned by anyone other than Kasumi and EDI?  And even the former stresses out a few people by referring to Shepard and Liara in the past tense, not me, but quite a few people.)  We get promised that the Cerberus network will be chock-full of important stuff, and what we get is Zaeed and the Hammerhead and a few weapons I never use.  (I can't even figure out HOW to use the Arc Projector, but Missle Launcher and Particle Beam, that's all you really need...)

And I'm sure you can guess my stance on the game overall... I liked it.  (Wait, really?)  Yes, I did, as a game, but the story to my eyes suffered so greatly I thought that it was farmed out to Obsidian, and it's really not as good as the first for making me feel like I have to replay it.  (Whereas with ME1, I love that game so much I nearly wore out the disc.)  And it's the story execution, both on the main storyline (though the loyalty quests were decent to awesome) and the LI carryover, that make me fear just about any Liara DLC that comes down the pipeline until I see it for myself.

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I have to say pass. Ive wasted enough money on what was essentially Bioware making money out of reseting Liaras character so as to fit "nicely" (lol) into a cameo.



I wonder if thats both for ME2 and ME3, or if "saved for ME3" actually meant being a squadmate again?

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'Saved for ME3', to me, just means Liara will be alive in ME3 for some purpose. They might need her alive so she can sit behind a desk the entire game once more.

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jlb524 wrote...

'Saved for ME3', to me, just means Liara will be alive in ME3 for some purpose. They might need her alive so she can sit behind a desk the entire game once more.


Yeah, "saved for ME3" is Biospeak for "plot sensitive cameo" rather than "disposable cameo" which is probably what every other squadmate bar the Virmire Survivor gets. Not "saved for future squadmate role" as you would think given thats how they responded to the "why isnt Liara a squadmate in ME2" question.

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My guess is that Liara will be a temporary squadmate in ME3, only during her special mission (which has something to do with the Shadow Broker ofc).
I hope that's not going to happen though. Bioware better let her return as a full squadmate if they don't want to invoke the wrath of a big part of the community here.

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What is with this Book Club nonsense?

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I view the comic series as the *so called* Liara DLC.It tells what little bit of story they want told.And they dont have to set the game up where you can play the game shepard free for it.

Did it add anything of substance to the lore?no.Was it an amusing distraction? well yes.The comics were produced with relatively good values.(compared to other current comics).



This series would have been 1000 times more effective if it were released befoe the game.They would have had to change a few things for massive spoiler reasons...but*shrugs*

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Looking forward to it. I didn't get the individual issues as I was waiting for the trade. Hooray for ad-free Mass Effect comic goodness.

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Burningwolf wrote...

This series would have been 1000 times more effective if it were released befoe the game
.They would have had to change a few things for massive spoiler reasons...but*shrugs*


I suspect this was always the intention. I suspect the game's release date was moved forward significantly, so that it ended up in stores before the comics. I also suspect they hastily changed Liara's role in the game for that reason, because it would've given things away and that might have put people off buying the comics. Or Liara's role was one of the several things that just weren't finished in time.

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I own all 4 comics. Beautiful artwork, terrible story. I think half the posters on this forum could honestly have written a better plot if they were given an hour.

edit: Also, I won't be ordering any books/comics that dont come from either amazon or tfaw.

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Valcutio wrote...

I own all 4 comics. Beautiful artwork [...]


I would respectfully beg to differ.
Personally, I'd say the artwork is nigh atrocious.
  • Every face is a contorted mess of wrinkles and empty eyes.
  • The poses are awkward and unnatural. No person, regardless of species, would be comfortable curving their vertebral column like that.
  • The colouring is adequate though, I suppose.