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[InvaderErl]

Steingrimur Steingrimsson wrote...

1,6 million is even low by Bioware standards... I hate this world...

It is?

Damn, I need to start sending in resumes.

[Steingrimur Steingrimsson]

InvaderErl wrote...

Steingrimur Steingrimsson wrote...

1,6 million is even low by Bioware standards... I hate this world...

It is?

Damn, I need to start sending in resumes.

In here are a bunch of sales records: http://www.bioware.c...are_info/about/

Here you see that KOTOR sold over 3 million copies, while Baldur's Gate sold over 2 million, and the Baldur's Gate series have sold more than 5 million copies. Given the marketing EA has done, 1,6 million is pretty bad...

[Ieldra]

Steingrimur Steingrimsson wrote...
Here you see that KOTOR sold over 3 million copies, while Baldur's Gate sold over 2 million, and the Baldur's Gate series have sold more than 5 million copies. Given the marketing EA has done, 1,6 million is pretty bad...

I'd say that 1.6 million in 4 months is pretty good for a game that creates its own world instead of tieing in to hugely popular established worlds like BG and KotOR did.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 juin 2010 - 11:23 .

[heretica]

Why is it that people love numbers so much?

Where does it say that quality of a game is proportional to the copies sold? Wake up :/ E3 2010 is a clearly example: EA press conference - speak about recycled crap and fps for 45 minutes and dedicate 6 to one Bioware (not even Bioware lol... more like "here, have this trailer. kkthxbye")

Van Gogh is considered one of the best artist of our time and his paintings sell now for millions and millions. Guess what, when he was alive he was poor as a rat because nobody bought his paintings and now they are worth millions.

To sum up, i couldn't care less about numbers. Mass Effect is one of the greatest games ever and nobody can deny that  

  

Modifié par Catt128, 15 juin 2010 - 11:36 .

[Ieldra]

Catt128 wrote...
To sum up, i couldn't care less about numbers. Mass Effect is one of the greatest games ever and nobody can deny that

Those who care about numbers don't equal numbers with quality. The concern is that Bioware might not make enough profit from ME2 to justify making a good ME3. I do not share that concern, but it's a legitimate one.

[heretica]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Catt128 wrote...
To sum up, i couldn't care less about numbers. Mass Effect is one of the greatest games ever and nobody can deny that

Those who care about numbers don't equal numbers with quality. The concern is that Bioware might not make enough profit from ME2 to justify making a good ME3. I do not share that concern, but it's a legitimate one.

Yeah, I guess I see their point now. 

[Ecael]

Steingrimur Steingrimsson wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Steingrimur Steingrimsson wrote...

1,6 million is even low by Bioware standards... I hate this world...

It is?

Damn, I need to start sending in resumes.

In here are a bunch of sales records: http://www.bioware.c...are_info/about/

Here you see that KOTOR sold over 3 million copies, while Baldur's Gate sold over 2 million, and the Baldur's Gate series have sold more than 5 million copies. Given the marketing EA has done, 1,6 million is pretty bad...

And 1.5 million for Dragon Age and Mass Effect 1 in the same time-frame, on a single platform, released right before holiday season. I guess that's horrible too for Microsoft/EA, right? I mean, Baldur's Gate sold 2 million copies on a single platform in the several years that it's been released!

And as for series, you say Baldur's Gate sold 5 million as a series (2 games, 2 expansions) in the last 10 years. Meanwhile, Mass Effect as a series (2 games) has only sold approximately 4 million on a single platform in the last 3 years!

The sky is falling! Either that or...



KoToR has a 4 year head start on Mass Effect 1 and a 7 year head start on Mass Effect 2. Also, you'll notice that Mass Effect 3 has sold 0 million copies so far. Clearly, that's EA's biggest failure yet.

One more thing - Western MMORPGs didn't even exist when Baldur's Gate was released. Now there are countless MMORPGs in existence (which was the case well before Mass Effect 1 was released), vying for the interest of tens of millions of Western RPG gamers.

If you're going to regurgitate numbers, at least figure out how to compare them first.

Modifié par Ecael, 15 juin 2010 - 12:02 .

[Ieldra]

Ecael, do you have any numbers on PC sales?

[Ecael]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Ecael, do you have any numbers on PC sales?

I doubt I could find any, since a lot of digital distributors do not want EA to release PC sales numbers for games that they sell.

[Apophis2412]

Ecael wrote...

Steingrimur Steingrimsson wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Steingrimur Steingrimsson wrote...

1,6 million is even low by Bioware standards... I hate this world...

It is?

Damn, I need to start sending in resumes.

In here are a bunch of sales records: http://www.bioware.c...are_info/about/

Here you see that KOTOR sold over 3 million copies, while Baldur's Gate sold over 2 million, and the Baldur's Gate series have sold more than 5 million copies. Given the marketing EA has done, 1,6 million is pretty bad...

And 1.5 million for Dragon Age and Mass Effect 1 in the same time-frame, on a single platform, released right before holiday season. I guess that's horrible too for Microsoft/EA, right? I mean, Baldur's Gate sold 2 million copies on a single platform in the several years that it's been released!

And as for series, you say Baldur's Gate sold 5 million as a series (2 games, 2 expansions) in the last 10 years. Meanwhile, Mass Effect as a series (2 games) has only sold approximately 4 million on a single platform in the last 3 years!

The sky is falling! Either that or...



KoToR has a 4 year head start on Mass Effect 1 and a 7 year head start on Mass Effect 2. Also, you'll notice that Mass Effect 3 has sold 0 million copies so far. Clearly, that's EA's biggest failure yet.

One more thing - Western MMORPGs didn't even exist when Baldur's Gate was released. Now there are countless MMORPGs in existence (which was the case well before Mass Effect 1 was released), vying for the interest of tens of millions of Western RPG gamers.

If you're going to regurgitate numbers, at least figure out how to compare them first.

Forgive me for being ignorant but does your chart say that ME2 sold 1.7 million, while the article that started this topic says it sold only 1.6?

[Vaenier]

Halo Reach all the way! You see the E3 video of the single player gameplay? Looks epic!

[Ecael]

Apophis2412 wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Steingrimur Steingrimsson wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Steingrimur Steingrimsson wrote...

1,6 million is even low by Bioware standards... I hate this world...

It is?

Damn, I need to start sending in resumes.

In here are a bunch of sales records: http://www.bioware.c...are_info/about/

Here you see that KOTOR sold over 3 million copies, while Baldur's Gate sold over 2 million, and the Baldur's Gate series have sold more than 5 million copies. Given the marketing EA has done, 1,6 million is pretty bad...

And 1.5 million for Dragon Age and Mass Effect 1 in the same time-frame, on a single platform, released right before holiday season. I guess that's horrible too for Microsoft/EA, right? I mean, Baldur's Gate sold 2 million copies on a single platform in the several years that it's been released!

And as for series, you say Baldur's Gate sold 5 million as a series (2 games, 2 expansions) in the last 10 years. Meanwhile, Mass Effect as a series (2 games) has only sold approximately 4 million on a single platform in the last 3 years!

The sky is falling! Either that or...



KoToR has a 4 year head start on Mass Effect 1 and a 7 year head start on Mass Effect 2. Also, you'll notice that Mass Effect 3 has sold 0 million copies so far. Clearly, that's EA's biggest failure yet.

One more thing - Western MMORPGs didn't even exist when Baldur's Gate was released. Now there are countless MMORPGs in existence (which was the case well before Mass Effect 1 was released), vying for the interest of tens of millions of Western RPG gamers.

If you're going to regurgitate numbers, at least figure out how to compare them first.

Forgive me for being ignorant but does your chart say that ME2 sold 1.7 million, while the article that started this topic says it sold only 1.6?

"Sold-through more than 1.6 million" by the end of the fiscal year (2nd Quarter), which is March 31, 2010 - two months after Mass Effect 2's release. Also, despite what the article claims, that only includes console versions, because PC sales are made unknown to everyone except the publisher (who will not release sales figures because of Steam/Direct2Drive/Impulse)

Gaming sites aren't any more credible than VGChartz. Especially after GameSpot reported that BioWare would unveil Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 2 at E3...

Modifié par Ecael, 15 juin 2010 - 02:07 .

[Foolsfolly]

I never tire of Ecael kicking ass.

[CroGamer002]

Steingrimur Steingrimsson wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Steingrimur Steingrimsson wrote...

1,6 million is even low by Bioware standards... I hate this world...

It is?

Damn, I need to start sending in resumes.

In here are a bunch of sales records: http://www.bioware.c...are_info/about/

Here you see that KOTOR sold over 3 million copies, while Baldur's Gate sold over 2 million, and the Baldur's Gate series have sold more than 5 million copies. Given the marketing EA has done, 1,6 million is pretty bad...

Those games are released long time ago and Star Wars has really old and big fanbase.
I'm not really familiar with Baldur's Gate only that is old.
Also send me a link where EA said: " Mass Effect 2 sold pretty bad."

Hell, Yahtzee give to ME2 half good review( wich is rare).

[erilben]

It was EA themselves that said in a May conference call that ME2 sold 1.6 million including digital downloads.

[Apophis2412]

Thanks for the explanation Ecael. However, we might yet see an increase of ME1's sales from ME2 players who haven't bought the first game yet. This is just my speculation however. There is no real evidence for it.


And to the OP: The amount of copies that ME2 sold is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that EA is pleased by how many were sold, wether it be 1.6, 1.7 or 3.2 million.

[Ecael]

Apophis2412 wrote...

Thanks for the explanation Ecael. However, we might yet see an increase of ME1's sales from ME2 players who haven't bought the first game yet. This is just my speculation however. There is no real evidence for it.


And to the OP: The amount of copies that ME2 sold is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that EA is pleased by how many were sold, wether it be 1.6, 1.7 or 3.2 million.

There's also the possibility of a Mass Effect 2: GotY edition (considering all the DLC that's come out), a possibility of an expansion, and the increase in ME2's sales from Mass Effect 3 being released.

The Mass Effect trilogy (as a whole) is a very successful one in an era filled with addictive massively multiplayer RPGs.

[Ecael]

erilben wrote...

It was EA themselves that said in a May conference call that ME2 sold 1.6 million including digital downloads.

You called them? What's their number?

[erilben]

EA puts up transcipts of their conference calls.
investor.ea.com/common/download/download.cfm

"Mass Effect 2 – sold through over 1.6 million packaged and digital units in the quarter for Europe and North America combined and launched with a Metacritic rating of 96 on the Xbox 360."

[Ecael]

erilben wrote...

EA puts up transcipts of their conference calls.
investor.ea.com/common/download/download.cfm

"Mass Effect 2 – sold through over 1.6 million packaged and digital units in the quarter for Europe and North America combined and launched with a Metacritic rating of 96 on the Xbox 360."

How many were retail/packaged and how many were digital?

[Steingrimur Steingrimsson]

Ecael wrote...

Steingrimur Steingrimsson wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Steingrimur Steingrimsson wrote...

1,6 million is even low by Bioware standards... I hate this world...

It is?

Damn, I need to start sending in resumes.

In here are a bunch of sales records: http://www.bioware.c...are_info/about/

Here you see that KOTOR sold over 3 million copies, while Baldur's Gate sold over 2 million, and the Baldur's Gate series have sold more than 5 million copies. Given the marketing EA has done, 1,6 million is pretty bad...

And 1.5 million for Dragon Age and Mass Effect 1 in the same time-frame, on a single platform, released right before holiday season. I guess that's horrible too for Microsoft/EA, right? I mean, Baldur's Gate sold 2 million copies on a single platform in the several years that it's been released!

And as for series, you say Baldur's Gate sold 5 million as a series (2 games, 2 expansions) in the last 10 years. Meanwhile, Mass Effect as a series (2 games) has only sold approximately 4 million on a single platform in the last 3 years!

The sky is falling! Either that or...



KoToR has a 4 year head start on Mass Effect 1 and a 7 year head start on Mass Effect 2. Also, you'll notice that Mass Effect 3 has sold 0 million copies so far. Clearly, that's EA's biggest failure yet.

One more thing - Western MMORPGs didn't even exist when Baldur's Gate was released. Now there are countless MMORPGs in existence (which was the case well before Mass Effect 1 was released), vying for the interest of tens of millions of Western RPG gamers.

If you're going to regurgitate numbers, at least figure out how to compare them first.

I very well knew that there was a difference in time, I just figured that the sales had peaked after the 4-5 months and wouldn't increase too much after that, which games usually do not do. 

Despite your obvious mockery, I am very pleased with the research you've done and quite happy to see that the game is selling above average.

[Ecael]

Ecael wrote...

erilben wrote...

EA puts up transcipts of their conference calls.
investor.ea.com/common/download/download.cfm

"Mass Effect 2 – sold through over 1.6 million packaged and digital units in the quarter for Europe and North America combined and launched with a Metacritic rating of 96 on the Xbox 360."

How many were retail/packaged and how many were digital?

Actually, scratch that. This is why they said 1.6 million packaged and digital:

EA Digital Store - Mass Effect 2

Steam - Mass Effect 2
Impulse - Mass Effect 2
Direct2Drive - Mass Effect 2
GameStop Direct - Mass Effect 2

EA's Digital Store makes up about 5% of the digital market (or possibly less, depending on Impulse's actual numbers). Steam dominates digital distribution - and, like I said, doesn't release sales figures.

Steingrimur Steingrimsson wrote...

I very well knew that there was a difference in time, I just figured that the sales had peaked after the 4-5 months and wouldn't increase too much after that, which games usually do not do. 

Despite your obvious mockery, I am very pleased with the research you've done and quite happy to see that the game is selling above average.

It was quite obvious, wasn't it?



Also, Mass Effect 1's sales remained fairly steady in a few months after. There wasn't much of a drop until much later on.

Modifié par Ecael, 15 juin 2010 - 04:57 .

[WilliamShatner]

Ecael wrote...

Steingrimur Steingrimsson wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Steingrimur Steingrimsson wrote...

1,6 million is even low by Bioware standards... I hate this world...

It is?

Damn, I need to start sending in resumes.

In here are a bunch of sales records: http://www.bioware.c...are_info/about/

Here you see that KOTOR sold over 3 million copies, while Baldur's Gate sold over 2 million, and the Baldur's Gate series have sold more than 5 million copies. Given the marketing EA has done, 1,6 million is pretty bad...

And 1.5 million for Dragon Age and Mass Effect 1 in the same time-frame, on a single platform, released right before holiday season. I guess that's horrible too for Microsoft/EA, right? I mean, Baldur's Gate sold 2 million copies on a single platform in the several years that it's been released!

And as for series, you say Baldur's Gate sold 5 million as a series (2 games, 2 expansions) in the last 10 years. Meanwhile, Mass Effect as a series (2 games) has only sold approximately 4 million on a single platform in the last 3 years!

The sky is falling! Either that or...



KoToR has a 4 year head start on Mass Effect 1 and a 7 year head start on Mass Effect 2. Also, you'll notice that Mass Effect 3 has sold 0 million copies so far. Clearly, that's EA's biggest failure yet.

One more thing - Western MMORPGs didn't even exist when Baldur's Gate was released. Now there are countless MMORPGs in existence (which was the case well before Mass Effect 1 was released), vying for the interest of tens of millions of Western RPG gamers.

If you're going to regurgitate numbers, at least figure out how to compare them first.

Games do not keep selling significant amounts of copies after four years (unless they're WOW).

ME2 sold more than half of its current total in its first week. It dropped like rock after that.  It what we call in the business "Spider-Man 3 syndrome".  It's currently selling about 10,000 per week.  It will take a year to overtake ME1 at that rate.  Eventually it might, but the game certainly didn't expand its audience in the way EAware hoped it would.

[CroGamer002]

WilliamShatner wrote...

Games do not keep selling significant amounts of copies after four years (unless they're WOW).

ME2 sold more than half of its current total in its first week. It dropped like rock after that.  It what we call in the business "Spider-Man 3 syndrome".  It's currently selling about 10,000 per week.  It will take a year to overtake ME1 at that rate.  Eventually it might, but the game certainly didn't expand its audience in the way EAware hoped it would.

[atheelogos]

These numbers must be off. I mean come on we all heard that bioware had went platinum in its first week of release. And I remember seeing on IGN that this game had sold over 6.6 million copies. Remember these headlines
ps3.ign.com/articles/108/1083726p1.html


"Mass Effect 2 First Week Sales Top 2 Million"xbox360.ign.com/articles/106/1065086p1.html

"EA’s announced that Mass Effect 2 has sold over 2 million units during
launch week."
www.vg247.com/2010/01/29/mass-effect-2-sells-2-million-in-launch-week/

"Forty perfect scores. Two million units.
One pop culture phenomenon. BioWare, a division of Electronic Arts
Inc., announced today that Mass Effect 2 has sold-in over two million
units worldwide in its first week of release."
www.newgamenetwork.com/news/783/mass-effect-2-first-week-sales/

Then to turn around and say it 1.6 mil just seems way off the mark.