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[kraidy1117]

Dr. Peter Venkman wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Dr. Peter Venkman wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Dr. Peter Venkman wrote...

Mass Effect sold 2.2 million copies just on the 360. Just to put things into perspective, I don't see ME2 catching up.

Mass Effect sold ~1.35 million copies on the console in its first 10 weeks (PC version wasn't released until months later).

Mass Effect 2 sold ~1.65 million copies on the console in its first 10 weeks (PC version was released concurrently with console version)..

Also, the DLC pipeline in Mass Effect 2 is bringing in far more
revenue than Mass Effect 1 ever could

People who bought Mass Effect 2 and didn't purchase Mass Effect might do so later on. This is why I don't believe it will catch in sales.

And as far as DLC goes, yeah, that's a typical EA move making people pay for content that was already created when the game launched. EA is screwing over the used game market with what they are doing in regards to online activation for sports games, that's really no surprise.

Face it. ME2 is and did better then ME did. The point that ME2 is the 15 or 16 highest rated game off all time also says alot. Numbers prove you are wrong.

Adults are talking. so leave your jagged comments at the door.

That being said, here is a sales chart comparing ME and ME 2:




Stronger opening yes, but I'd like to know the numbers of those who bought ME 2 without having purchased ME 1. I think that's a huge factor in overall sales.

Ah now you turn to insulting. How about you let the adults talk. ME2 did 1.6 mil in NA. Lets say that again. NA. There are other countires then NA. ME2 is also closer to what ME did in two years. That right there says alot. I don`t see why peopel want to argue this. ME2 was a huge succes for Bioware and eA. It is doing better then ME.

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

Ecael wrote...
As I mentioned above, that's assuming that there are more people who bought Mass Effect 1 and then never bothered to purchase Mass Effect 2. That doesn't look good for Mass Effect 1 or the trilogy in general.

Not assuming anything. As it stands now, more people bought ME 2 during the opener than ME, however there are no numbers showing if there is a correlation between owning ME 1 and then buying ME 2. If there is, sales will match ME 1. I think it's logical to assume that people who buy ME 2 and don't have ME will do so at some time in the future.

The content wasn't already created before the game launched, there
simply wasn't any time or resources to finish it by the release date.
Just ask any of the BioWare developers on the forum - they have a
dedicated DLC team that started work right after the game went gold.

This is the same spiel that they gave with DA:O; wait, magical DLC is available for a low, low price, right at launch!

Sure,
EA might have set the release date a bit early, but what's wrong with
getting a game much earlier when it's practically complete? It's a lot
better than waiting months and months just to include every bit of
content possible and also better than never seeing the content at all.

It's double dipping.

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Dr. Peter Venkman wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Dr. Peter Venkman wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Dr. Peter Venkman wrote...

Mass Effect sold 2.2 million copies just on the 360. Just to put things into perspective, I don't see ME2 catching up.

Mass Effect sold ~1.35 million copies on the console in its first 10 weeks (PC version wasn't released until months later).

Mass Effect 2 sold ~1.65 million copies on the console in its first 10 weeks (PC version was released concurrently with console version)..

Also, the DLC pipeline in Mass Effect 2 is bringing in far more
revenue than Mass Effect 1 ever could

People who bought Mass Effect 2 and didn't purchase Mass Effect might do so later on. This is why I don't believe it will catch in sales.

And as far as DLC goes, yeah, that's a typical EA move making people pay for content that was already created when the game launched. EA is screwing over the used game market with what they are doing in regards to online activation for sports games, that's really no surprise.

Face it. ME2 is and did better then ME did. The point that ME2 is the 15 or 16 highest rated game off all time also says alot. Numbers prove you are wrong.

Adults are talking. so leave your jagged comments at the door.

That being said, here is a sales chart comparing ME and ME 2:




Stronger opening yes, but I'd like to know the numbers of those who bought ME 2 without having purchased ME 1. I think that's a huge factor in overall sales.

Ah now you turn to insulting. How about you let the adults talk. ME2 did 1.6 mil in NA. Lets say that again. NA. There are other countires then NA. ME2 is also closer to what ME did in two years. That right there says alot. I don`t see why peopel want to argue this. ME2 was a huge succes for Bioware and eA. It is doing better then ME.

This is a chart of ALL sales in all regions. Don't let anger cloud your judgment.

Modifié par Dr. Peter Venkman, 12 mai 2010 - 06:54 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

You underestimate the power of sequels. Many less hardcore lets say are more in the moment, only the proper hardcore will delve into a games history. They may be interested in Mass Effect 1, but many of them aren't going to care in the longrun.

[kraidy1117]

[quote]Dr. Peter Venkman wrote...

The content wasn't already created before the game launched, there
simply wasn't any time or resources to finish it by the release date.
Just ask any of the BioWare developers on the forum - they have a
dedicated DLC team that started work right after the game went gold.[/quote]

This is the same spiel that they gave with DA:O; wait, magical DLC is available for a low, low price, right at launch!


[/quote]

Nice try, DAO was delayed for the console versions. The expansion was in dev for almost a year. Shale was orignaly oging to be in the game, but she kept breaking it and they only got her working when the game was too complete. They made her free for people who bought DAO at launch.

[Onyx Jaguar]

InvaderErl wrote...

Jaguar > Jaguar.

woah wtf



...WAIT, I think it makes sense

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

You underestimate the power of sequels. Many less hardcore lets say are more in the moment, only the proper hardcore will delve into a games history. They may be interested in Mass Effect 1, but many of them aren't going to care in the longrun.

Very true, however the ME games are quite different in that character history plays a huge part. I believe your analogy is more fitting for KotOR 1 & 2; not necessary to play both games given that what happens in one doesn't dictate what happens in the other. In Mass Effect as you know it's quite different.

[kraidy1117]

Dr. Peter Venkman wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Dr. Peter Venkman wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Dr. Peter Venkman wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Dr. Peter Venkman wrote...

Mass Effect sold 2.2 million copies just on the 360. Just to put things into perspective, I don't see ME2 catching up.

Mass Effect sold ~1.35 million copies on the console in its first 10 weeks (PC version wasn't released until months later).

Mass Effect 2 sold ~1.65 million copies on the console in its first 10 weeks (PC version was released concurrently with console version)..

Also, the DLC pipeline in Mass Effect 2 is bringing in far more
revenue than Mass Effect 1 ever could

People who bought Mass Effect 2 and didn't purchase Mass Effect might do so later on. This is why I don't believe it will catch in sales.

And as far as DLC goes, yeah, that's a typical EA move making people pay for content that was already created when the game launched. EA is screwing over the used game market with what they are doing in regards to online activation for sports games, that's really no surprise.

Face it. ME2 is and did better then ME did. The point that ME2 is the 15 or 16 highest rated game off all time also says alot. Numbers prove you are wrong.

Adults are talking. so leave your jagged comments at the door.

That being said, here is a sales chart comparing ME and ME 2:




Stronger opening yes, but I'd like to know the numbers of those who bought ME 2 without having purchased ME 1. I think that's a huge factor in overall sales.

Ah now you turn to insulting. How about you let the adults talk. ME2 did 1.6 mil in NA. Lets say that again. NA. There are other countires then NA. ME2 is also closer to what ME did in two years. That right there says alot. I don`t see why peopel want to argue this. ME2 was a huge succes for Bioware and eA. It is doing better then ME.

This is a chart of ALL sales in all regions. Don't let anger cloud your judgment.

Again your pointÉ ME2 is doing what ME did`t even do at this time. ME2 will outsell ME because of where it is in sales. It took two years for mE to reach that, that says alot, also look when the sales went high. it was not that far from the launch date of ME2.

[Fraevar]

Huh. So their grand experiment of making ME2 a TPS with cinematic storytelling failed to attract new audiences. Excellent, now can we please have the actual RPG back for ME3?

That is all.

[kraidy1117]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

Huh. So their grand experiment of making ME2 a TPS with cinematic storytelling failed to attract new audiences. Excellent, now can we please have the actual RPG back for ME3?

That is all.

<_<   I swear people don`t read things anymore these days.

[InvaderErl]

I'm sorry I'd rather not fall into a coma while trying to melt items into omni-gel.



I'm sorry I just can't listen to this man because he is Delirious (corrected for spelling).



Yes I know my wit knows no bounds.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Dr. Peter Venkman wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

You underestimate the power of sequels. Many less hardcore lets say are more in the moment, only the proper hardcore will delve into a games history. They may be interested in Mass Effect 1, but many of them aren't going to care in the longrun.

Very true, however the ME games are quite different in that character history plays a huge part. I believe your analogy is more fitting for KotOR 1 & 2; not necessary to play both games given that what happens in one doesn't dictate what happens in the other. In Mass Effect as you know it's quite different.

As someone who played the first game yes.  However ME 2 was tailored in a way for the n00bs not to notice it. 

Hell you could say the same thing about Awakenings, even more so in fact.  They are missing some backstory as they are more related than say Kotor 1 & 2

Lets use Half-Life 2 and its pseudo sequels.  I believe that Episode 2 did better than Episode 1.  They are similar to how ME is presented, however you can just play Episode 2 and not miss a whole lot from Episode 1.  ME 2 does a good job of recapping events, only the side quests would be missing from the experience.

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Nice try, DAO was delayed for the console versions.

They were released at the same time due to marketing according to EA's CEO.

kraidy1117 wrote...

Nice try, DAO was delayed for the
console versions. The expansion was in dev for almost a year. Shale was
orignaly oging to be in the game, but she kept breaking it and they only
got her working when the game was too complete. They made her free for
people who bought DAO at launch.

And guess what, she was still broken!

[Onyx Jaguar]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

Huh. So their grand experiment of making ME2 a TPS with cinematic storytelling failed to attract new audiences. Excellent, now can we please have the actual RPG back for ME3?

That is all.

Scrap progression for regression?  Yes please

[kraidy1117]

Dr. Peter Venkman wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Nice try, DAO was delayed for the console versions.

They were released at the same time due to marketing according to EA's CEO.

kraidy1117 wrote...

Nice try, DAO was delayed for the
console versions. The expansion was in dev for almost a year. Shale was
orignaly oging to be in the game, but she kept breaking it and they only
got her working when the game was too complete. They made her free for
people who bought DAO at launch.

And guess what, she was still broken!

*facepalm* DAO was already finshed for the PC version. They delayed it for the console versions. Did you even follow DAO? It was in dev for five years.

[Nivenus]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

Huh. So their grand experiment of making ME2 a TPS with cinematic storytelling failed to attract new audiences. Excellent, now can we please have the actual RPG back for ME3?

That is all.

I take it you skipped all the talk about ME2 actually outselling ME1 (within the same timeframe)?

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

ME 2 does a good job of recapping events, only the side quests would be missing from the experience.

Yes and no. There are numerous references in multiple conversations that someone will miss if they didn't play the first game. I guess if someone wanted to jump right in as they say they wouldn't care, but given that the game is still tailored as an RPG, I don't think many players go for that. ME 2, despite the strong opening, didn't have the humongous sale numbers that would indicate it's a major crossover hit where picking the game up (like I did with Rainbow Six Las Vegas 2 without having the first one) is all someone will do.

[Onyx Jaguar]

WHat was broken about Shale? On the console version Shale doesn't appear at the ceremonies and the achievements were bugged... what else? DA is a buggy as hell game as it is, I haven't noticed much out of the ordinary.

[kraidy1117]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

WHat was broken about Shale? On the console version Shale doesn't appear at the ceremonies and the achievements were bugged... what else? DA is a buggy as hell game as it is, I haven't noticed much out of the ordinary.

Same. I got over the bugs in it now. I want a patch but most likely Bioware won`t do it.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Dr. Peter Venkman wrote...

ME 2 does a good job of recapping events, only the side quests would be missing from the experience.

Yes and no. There are numerous references in multiple conversations that someone will miss if they didn't play the first game. I guess if someone wanted to jump right in as they say they wouldn't care, but given that the game is still tailored as an RPG, I don't think many players go for that. ME 2, despite the strong opening, didn't have the humongous sale numbers that would indicate it's a major crossover hit where picking the game up (like I did with Rainbow Six Las Vegas 2 without having the first one) is all someone will do.

Not to derail the thread but the campaign in the first R6 was better IMO, they cheaped it on the VA in the second oen.  

At the Italics, yes but it is less jarring than the Adventures of Buckaroo Bonzai if anyone has heard of that

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

WHat was broken about Shale? On the console version Shale doesn't appear at the ceremonies and the achievements were bugged... what else? DA is a buggy as hell game as it is, I haven't noticed much out of the ordinary.

On occassion the entire party will fall through the map when trying to talk to her. It makes for great fun, and it really sucks when you're in the middle of an area that you just can't travel back to camp.

[Whereto]

ME2 sold very well for a RPG and will contiune to sell well for some years to come, FPS's die in sales after about a year generally and this will probably be the case with bfbc2. As soon as all the MW2 haters stop raging they will just move of their march of defiance to a nother game. ME2 will probably boost ME1 sales to.

[kraidy1117]

Dr. Peter Venkman wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

WHat was broken about Shale? On the console version Shale doesn't appear at the ceremonies and the achievements were bugged... what else? DA is a buggy as hell game as it is, I haven't noticed much out of the ordinary.

On occassion the entire party will fall through the map when trying to talk to her. It makes for great fun, and it really sucks when you're in the middle of an area that you just can't travel back to camp.

I never had that happen to me....

[Onyx Jaguar]

PC I assume? I've played through DA on the 360, six times never had that happen. Also didn't run into some ofhte problems with Awakenigns. Crap engine is crap engine, sounds like similar problems to Fallout 3. The Pitt was never fixed.

[Fraevar]

Nivenus wrote...

I take it you skipped all the talk about ME2 actually outselling ME1 (within the same timeframe)?

Nope, read it. But when I say that I'd like the RPG back, I didn't mean go back to the ME1 formula. I liked the action in ME2, but it could stand with some other RPG elements and better exploration. Borderlands managed both very well.

kraidy1117 wrote...

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]   I
swear people don`t read things anymore these days.

Lol, no, I did. It was a poor attempt at humor. /Jeremy Irons' Die Hard 3 voice.

Modifié par Delerius_Jedi, 12 mai 2010 - 07:15 .