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[Tilarta]

Since I didn't do this when weapons specialized training was offered, I was curious to know what happens if you do choose it.

There are 5 slots on the "backpack", assault rifle, sniper rifle and heavy weapon on the back, hand cannon on the left hip and shotgun on the lower back.

So where does the submachine gun go if you add it as an option?

[Atmosfear3]

You can only pick an assault rifle, shotgun, or sniper rifle on the collector ship. Theres no option to spec into submachine guns.

[Dark_Caduceus]

Yup, get ahold of the Revenant though, you'll forget all about sub machine guns.

[Silvanend]

Revenant wasn't that great, kinda disappointing, I kinda prefer to hit my targets Dead on, constant head shots with the Vindicator.

Modifié par Silvanend, 12 mai 2010 - 02:22 .

[Bogsnot1]

No idea, but I reckon Shep would be walking kinda funny.

[swk3000]

If a Soldier Shepard were able to spec SMG's, it would go into the same slot the Heavy Pistol goes. In fact, that's where it goes with all the other classes.

[MrNose]

Silvanend wrote...

Revenant wasn't that great, kinda disappointing, I kinda prefer to hit my targets Dead on, constant head shots with the Vindicator.

Heightened adrenaline rush + accuracy upgrades are your friend.

[mosor]

MrNose wrote...

Silvanend wrote...

Revenant wasn't that great, kinda disappointing, I kinda prefer to hit my targets Dead on, constant head shots with the Vindicator.

Heightened adrenaline rush + accuracy upgrades are your friend.

Yeah the revenant is a fun weapon. People who hate it just don't have the balls to get up close and personal with it. I know some people complain that it overlaps with the shotgun, but the rate of fire is so enomous that you can take out multiple enemies up close quickly with that gun. It's the only gun that I know of where I can run up to harbringer full health, face to face and kill him before he kills me on insanity.

[Pacifien]

Shandepared wrote...
It would go right where the pistol goes.

Which is something I found annoying considering I have a pistol and the SMG. Couldn't they have put the SMG on the other hip or something?

[swk3000]

mosor wrote...

People who hate it just don't have the balls to get up close and personal with it.

So because I prefer to headshot enemies with an anti-tank rifle, I'm a coward? I've got to say, I really like the way you think.[/sarcasm]

<_<

I understand you like the Revenant, and that's your right. But don't start throwing around insults because I don't think the way you do.

Then again, what does it say about me that I'm responding to it?

[OniGanon]

You can go up to Harbinger face to face with a shotgun and kill him before he kills you...

[mosor]

swk3000 wrote...

mosor wrote...

People who hate it just don't have the balls to get up close and personal with it.

So because I prefer to headshot enemies with an anti-tank rifle, I'm a coward? I've got to say, I really like the way you think.[/sarcasm]

<_<

I understand you like the Revenant, and that's your right. But don't start throwing around insults because I don't think the way you do.

Then again, what does it say about me that I'm responding to it?

You're twisting my words. I did not say you're a coward because you like to headshot people. I said people who hate the revenant don't like it because they are cowardly with it and like to shoot it from a distance where it isn't as effective.  What does it say about you responding to it? Dunno, lack of reading comprehension?

[swk3000]

mosor wrote...

swk3000 wrote...

mosor wrote...

People who hate it just don't have the balls to get up close and personal with it.

So because I prefer to headshot enemies with an anti-tank rifle, I'm a coward? I've got to say, I really like the way you think.[/sarcasm]

<_<

I understand you like the Revenant, and that's your right. But don't start throwing around insults because I don't think the way you do.

Then again, what does it say about me that I'm responding to it?

You're twisting my words. I did not say you're a coward because you like to headshot people. I said people who hate the revenant don't like it because they are cowardly with it and like to shoot it from a distance where it isn't as effective.  What does it say about you responding to it? Dunno, lack of reading comprehension?

Your post came across as if anyone who doesn't take the Revenant is a coward. Saying that people who don't like the Revenant aren't using it at the correct range would have been better, and I would not have had anything to say on the subject.

[mosor]

swk3000 wrote...

mosor wrote...

swk3000 wrote...

mosor wrote...

People who hate it just don't have the balls to get up close and personal with it.

So because I prefer to headshot enemies with an anti-tank rifle, I'm a coward? I've got to say, I really like the way you think.[/sarcasm]

<_<

I understand you like the Revenant, and that's your right. But don't start throwing around insults because I don't think the way you do.

Then again, what does it say about me that I'm responding to it?

You're twisting my words. I did not say you're a coward because you like to headshot people. I said people who hate the revenant don't like it because they are cowardly with it and like to shoot it from a distance where it isn't as effective.  What does it say about you responding to it? Dunno, lack of reading comprehension?

Your post came across as if anyone who doesn't take the Revenant is a coward. Saying that people who don't like the Revenant aren't using it at the correct range would have been better, and I would not have had anything to say on the subject.

It only came across like that because a previous poster said he prefers headshots with the vindicator, so that may be where you got confused. Taken alone, my post just said the revenant was fun and people who don't like it are probably not agressive enough with it. Anyway, sorry if I was ****y in my previous post.

[NiftuCal]

if the widow is numero uno, the revenent is most definitely number 2. if you havent used the revenant, pretend the hand canon has 80 rounds and fires continuously. yes, its that good. its inacuracy means squat to me when a few of its bullets hit an enemy, they die regardless.

[swk3000]

NiftuCal wrote...

if the widow is numero uno, the revenent is most definitely number 2. if you havent used the revenant, pretend the hand canon has 80 rounds and fires continuously. yes, its that good. its inacuracy means squat to me when a few of its bullets hit an enemy, they die regardless.

My issue is that I don't like wasting bullets. If 4 out of 10 bullets hit the enemy and the target dies, I consider the extra 6 shots wasted. For me, Accuracy is far more important.

[Grand_Commander13]

mosor wrote...

Yeah the revenant is a fun weapon. People who hate it just don't have the balls to get up close and personal with it. I know some people complain that it overlaps with the shotgun...

Gonna have to stop you there.  I'm not a coward, it's just that if I get in close I want to use my shotgun (eat a cryo round noob!).  Otherwise, the Vindicator owns the Revenant for anything other than very close range (bonus headshot damage makes up for the reduced damage).  The Revenant is just so much less fun...

[JaegerBane]

Grand_Commander13 wrote...

Gonna have to stop you there.  I'm not a coward, it's just that if I get in close I want to use my shotgun (eat a cryo round noob!).  Otherwise, the Vindicator owns the Revenant for anything other than very close range (bonus headshot damage makes up for the reduced damage).  The Revenant is just so much less fun...

I can understand that, I really like using the Scimitar. That said, I think the advantage of the Rev centres on it being able to do the job of both an assault rifle and a shotgun at the same time, which makes it great for extended firefights against any kind of enemy.

It's a bit strong to claim the Vindicator, a rifle with critical ammo issues, very little use at shorter ranges and virtually dependent on constant headshots 'owns the Rev at everything else'. You spend almost as much time searching for ammo as you do killing things with that gun. Don't get me wrong, it's a great piece... but in any kind of battle where enemy numbers and range are fluid, it lags significantly behind.

Besides, the Viper does the same job as the Vindi, only better, using another slot.

[Grand_Commander13]

Viper for long range, Vindicator for mid, Eviscerator for short. Served me pretty well and I never ran into ammo issues using it. The Vindicator is wicked accurate and can score headshots easily when your enemies are slowed down by Adrenaline Rush.

[swk3000]

Jaeger, I have a question: have you ever actually done a Soldier play-through using the Vindicator? Or did you run out of ammo during the Shutter portion and decide it was worthless? Because that's what I did originally. I've since discovered that the Shutter portion of that mission is actually one of the worst places to test the weapon out, simply because there's no end to the enemies until you close the shutter. The Vindicator's weakness really comes out in that particular section.



I don't particularly care if you bash the Vindicator, but the fact that everyone seems to talk about having to leave cover to find ammo in the middle of a fight tells me that none of the people who are condemning it have actually used the thing in a solid test. They just tried it for that one portion, called it useless, and forgot about it.



Now, if you try to use the Vindicator as your only weapon, you will run into ammo issues. If, however, you mix in the Mantis (which also has it's own ammo issues) for long-range shots, you'll find that the only time you have to look for ammo is when the battle is over. And that's when every class is going to be looking for ammo, so you're not actually running up any extra time compared to other classes.



For those of you who are convinced that the Vindicator runs out of ammo all the time, try doing an entire play-through with it as your main weapon, and whatever Sniper Rifle you prefer. You'll be surprised how few times you actually run out of ammo.

[Urazz]

swk3000 wrote...

NiftuCal wrote...

if the widow is numero uno, the revenent is most definitely number 2. if you havent used the revenant, pretend the hand canon has 80 rounds and fires continuously. yes, its that good. its inacuracy means squat to me when a few of its bullets hit an enemy, they die regardless.

My issue is that I don't like wasting bullets. If 4 out of 10 bullets hit the enemy and the target dies, I consider the extra 6 shots wasted. For me, Accuracy is far more important.

Try firing in bursts and don't try for headshots at longer ranges with it and you'll be fairly accurate.  Once you get the assault rifle accuracy upgrade you can easily hit stuff at mid range with missing few shots.  Any further away you will want to switch to a sniper rifle anyways.

swk3000 wrote...

Jaeger, I have a question: have you ever actually done a Soldier play-through using the Vindicator? Or did you run out of ammo during the Shutter portion and decide it was worthless? Because that's what I did originally. I've since discovered that the Shutter portion of that mission is actually one of the worst places to test the weapon out, simply because there's no end to the enemies until you close the shutter. The Vindicator's weakness really comes out in that particular section.

I don't particularly care if you bash the Vindicator, but the fact that everyone seems to talk about having to leave cover to find ammo in the middle of a fight tells me that none of the people who are condemning it have actually used the thing in a solid test. They just tried it for that one portion, called it useless, and forgot about it.

Now, if you try to use the Vindicator as your only weapon, you will run into ammo issues. If, however, you mix in the Mantis (which also has it's own ammo issues) for long-range shots, you'll find that the only time you have to look for ammo is when the battle is over. And that's when every class is going to be looking for ammo, so you're not actually running up any extra time compared to other classes.

For those of you who are convinced that the Vindicator runs out of ammo all the time, try doing an entire play-through with it as your main weapon, and whatever Sniper Rifle you prefer. You'll be surprised how few times you actually run out of ammo.

I have done this and the lack of ammo with the vindicator/widow is an issue.  You may not run out of ammo but you can sure as hell get close on the more intense fights while it is much less of an issue with the revenant/viper.

Modifié par Urazz, 13 mai 2010 - 08:01 .

[Athenau]

I don't get what the big deal about the Revenant's accuracy is. It's more accurate than the Shuriken/Tempest (Tempest has a tiny bit less spread zoomed in, MUCH worse hip fired, and totally uncontrollable recoil) and at close-mid range it's very easy to get tons of headshots by aiming for the chest/upper neck and managing the recoil.

It's a weapon that has shotgun power at point blank range but with WAY more accuracy and endurance. And that extra accuracy makes ALL the diference, because while you can almost always find a way to safely get to the Revenant's range sweet spot (if you're willing to play aggressively), you can't with the shotgun.

[Tilarta]

What's a Revenant?



Okay, sarcasm moment over.



I know it's some kind of AR you get if you chose Advanced AR training on the Collector ship, but I picked Widow instead.



So have no idea what it is.



Besides, I have Collector AR, so don't need anything else.



Although, Geth Pulse AR is nice to use on Synthetics.

[swk3000]

The Revenant is an Assault Rifle. It's the thing that Warden Kuril was using during Jack's Recruitment mission. It's shots are more powerful than any other weapon's, but it's targeting reticule looks more like a Sniper Rifle than an Assault Rifle. Also, it holds 80 shots per clip, and 480 shots in reserve, so it's got the best ammo capacity in the game.