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[Tirigon]

Sabariel wrote...

Play as you normally would... and just pretend you have boobs and just enjoy looking at your boobsB)

[Addai]

In playing a male PC as female, I had fun by acting towards female NPCs and towards his LI the way I would want to be treated by a heroic man- gallantly but respectfully. It made it fun to be a white knight. Not sure if that translates the other way around.

Modifié par Addai67, 14 mai 2010 - 09:25 .

[Sabariel]

Tirigon wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

Play as you normally would... and just pretend you have boobs and just enjoy looking at your boobsB)

That too

[Tindl]

Cell1e wrote...

I also have never ended up with Isabella doing naughty stuff but usually by the time I meet her my character and Alistair are 'involved' and I just don't like to try those lines. Lol

PS  Poor Fyezall, it will be a short life for you....

You should - if Alistair is really into you, and you have toughened him up after meeing his sister, he'll easily be talked into a threesome

And yes, Fyezall. RIP

[Kalcalan]

Get Leliana to talk about shoes.

[Elhanan]

Kalcalan wrote...

Get Leliana to talk about shoes.

After quite a Tongue lashing for expressing my apathy for the attire generally,  she reveals herself to be a good Sole, and forgives my ignorance over the agony of da feet....

[Gazardiel]

Short answer: however you want.



Long answer: It's really good roleplaying practice to try swapping genders because you get to enjoy the story form another perspective. I'd recommend reflecting on the female characters you've encountered in the game and the variety of outlooks they have on life. Also, the game itself gives some good roleplaying prompts in interactions - a conversation with Sten as a female warrior is a great one, and Leliana tells a good story about female chevaliers that provides good context on gender relations in the world. Some origin stories may set up good background on gender as well.



It's pretty much the same as roleplaying another race - as a Dalish, I worked with the "outsider" perspective, and as a Dwarf Noble, I focused on being dignified yet crafty. My Dalish was female, but I didn't play up a lot of "feminine" qualities, and focused more on a few things, like a sisterly relationship with Morrigan and a solid romance with Alistair.

[Elhanan]

When speaking to a male, read all the dialogue choices, then choose the one single response that is bound to be misunderstood....

Choose Skills and Talents based upon how you feel at the moment; forget builds....

Select your party not based on the objective, but more on continuing that arguement you were having yesterday....

Rearrange the Warden's quickbar for each major quest to better coordinate a different theme, and no getting used to something being in the same spot for too long.....

*finding this thread to be very decent therapy*

Modifié par Elhanan, 19 mai 2010 - 10:08 .

[Verly]

I think the best origins to play if you don't know how to play as a female player are the CEF and the DCF. City elf getting kidnapped on your wedding day for "fun" or the younger sister of a noble hunter knowing if you don't make something happen that will someday be what you will have to do too.



I'm a female, I don't have problems playing male characters , but I naturally make fewer of them.. so I understand.... trying to think like a guy can be different for me too. (scratches self and makes fart jokes)

[Kalcalan]

It's harder to play a convincing member of the opposite sex because we tend to go for the stereotypes (the bikini clad female warrior for instance).



Think about Alistair, he clearly has a strong feminine side and he is a guy, you could roleplay a strong woman or a tomboy and she would still be female.



I'm a guy and I've only created 5 female characters but I tend to care more about their looks than I do for males (I don't mind a scarred male hero with a crooked nose and wrinkles) but I've only created one hag (an ugly mage which made the very idea of romance really funny).

[Lialdia]

First time I played the game, I played a female elf through the City Elf's origin story. That I must say set the mood very nicely for roleplay purposes... starting with "humans can't be trusted easily" and "men just want to take advantage of you" along with "nobility simply exists to abuse those of common birth."

For example told Alistair to mind his own business as soon as found out he's also of noble birth, no matter of being illegimate.

Modifié par Lialdia, 20 mai 2010 - 07:18 .

[tallinn]

I think that a female warden if not being a mage can't have any of the old school stereotypes of women. Whether she is a warrior or a rogue she is going to enter the most dangerous fight her reality has to offer and she can't do that if she does not feel to be able to do it. Given that she does not need to be played that differently from a male warden of her class. And she can be as rude or nice, as aggressive or diplomatic, as straight forward or tricky as a man (ok, agreed, she can be even more tricky than a man). Women in real life, after all, can be that as well, can't they? If you insist of having at least one special female attribute on your warden, develop the poison skills to the max. As a matter of fact poison is the weapon of women. Every crime statistic confirms that. In the city elf origin you have a beatiful chance to introduce that theme on your warden by first fooling guards into believing that you are a servant and then serving them poisened brandy. My male wardens would not go that way.



A mage allows for a more "female" role thus giving you more freedom.

[Kalcalan]

I'm not sure about Tallinn's mention of poison. I won't contend that it is sexist because that is beside the point, I will try to point out that it may not be that relevant as a gender issue. A Rogue, male or female, would not shy away from using poison. After all it's not like you don't need to tip the scales in your favour if you want to have a chance to live through those fights (especially on harder difficulties given the poor starting gear and the low level character). A female City Elf posing as a servant would probably have to resort to violence sooner or later (probably sooner than later) when facing drunk human guards who may be tempted to molest her and not just beat her up (what they threaten the male City Elf with). In such a context, poisoning the drinks is not necessarily something a woman would rather do but something any City Elf would take advantage of (except for the most noble types, but let's face it, to survive as a City Elf, a character has to hone some skills that are frowned upon by paladin types).

Human Noble makes actually more sense as a female since your character has to stay behind and look after the Estate which would be almost demeaning for a male character -if we take as a reference gender stereotypes (I'm not saying that these stereotypes are right or wrong, just that they do exist even in modern societies). In fact that point in the Human Noble origin could remind some of us of Eowyn's plight in the Lord of the Rings (she too is told to stay to watch the estate). The Human Noble origin offers the opportunity to devise a strong female character (with a strong role model to be found in the character of the Teyrna) and that is something that has the potential to be very interesting when roleplaying a female character who can start as a pampered and spoiled brat and then grow into a true heroine.

[asaiasai]

I have 18 completed plays and only one of those characters is a male which is my gender IRL. I play them as i would any other character, the change after the joining allows you freedom to play them how ever you want to and still be in character, at least that is how i see it. You might want to consider that females for the most part are driven to be more maternal, so the lost child in Lotharin you might be a bit softer in your replies as opposed to get lost kid you bother me but not necessarily as a noble what is a commoner child in a war torn land. As another race you might just consider it another one of those (pesky humans). The HNF might be more understanding about Conner, having had her nephew slain by Howe's men. To say that a female can not be pragmatic is incorrect, so picking Bhelen as king would still be in character for a female especially depending on origin. There were a few decisions that i had a tough time reconciling but i think they were more to the origin than sex of the character. Awakenings has a decision concerning a peasant revolt that for my HNF was a no brainer, put it down, by force if necessary, but my CEF i took quite awhile to decide, i actually agonized over that one to try and stay in character, and promote the immersion, which by agonizing defeated the purpose anyway, and in the end i deffered to the captain. As it has been said you have to be the aggressor if your looking for romance.Leliana is not a ninja romancer, she just has a lot of gifts avaliable early, only Morrigan i think has more and earlier, but that is because she has the personality of a turnip so it takes more to keep her happy and somewhat tolerable.



Asai

[tallinn]

Kalcalan wrote...

I'm not sure about Tallinn's mention of poison. I won't contend that it is sexist because that is beside the point, I will try to point out that it may not be that relevant as a gender issue.

My remark on poison being a typical female weapon wasn't meant that serious (although it is based on RL facts). Basically my point was that there is not such a strong gender issue with role playing in DAO. A female warden must be an amazon-like character, Jeanne D'Arc in one way or the other, not the typical female you would expect in a middle-age setup. But as you meet women in various warrior roles throughout the whole game effectively destroying the prejudgment that fighting is male business in Ferelden it is easy to feel into this type of female character.

I found the city elf origin story well suited to start a female warden character and a rogue as well (I think that rouge is the natural role of an elf from the alienage). I am feeling that that story would not work as well with a male character. I went with the "I don't want to be married"-line there and to be honest, her betrothed wasn't that awsome to avoid causing disappointment. On the other hand, according to the dragon age wiki this story adopts to the choosen gender, while serving classical stereotypes. As a male elf you fight your way into the castle to free the women, as a female you fight your way out to free yourself. So the male variant of that story is basically telling that women get raped and men are there to protect them. Very old school. And a little bit boring.

Your remark on the human noble origin is interesting. Haven't look at that in your way so far but now after reading your comment I remember my male warden having a very hard time to be send around in the castle like a child not trusted to do any serious business. I went with the "But I want to fight"-line of answers whenever given the opportunity.

It is a little bit off-topic but thinking about which combination of origin story, race and gender fits better then others I noticed that the race benefits of elves recommend to make them mages but elven mages are unusual in Ferelden, and the origin stories city elf and dalish elf both suggest to create a rogue (an archer rouge for the dalish elf).

[Kalcalan]

Some very good points tallinn (I find it amusing that you write Jeanne d'Arc, I would have expected Joan of Arc -I'm French by the way).

I'm not convinced by a female warden for the City Elf origin because of Soris. I find it odd for a female City Elf to spend so much time hanging around Soris instead of spending time with Shiani and the other elven maidens. It seems to me to be quite odd that the bride to be would be sent to look for her cousin on her big day (not impossible but certainly odd). Still, you make a very good point about the stereotype when playing the City Elf origin as a male. I personally don't mind it and if you think about it, you may remember that Shiani is the one who escalates to physical violence first so that may be seen as somehow defying the stereotype as far as gender issues are concerned.

tallinn wrote...

the origin stories city elf and dalish elf both suggest to create a rogue (an archer rouge for the dalish elf).

I would agree on the City Elf (mainly because an Elf living in an Alienage would have to be stealthy and couldn't spend too much time training with weapons) which perfectly suits the Rogue concept but I strongly disagree regarding the Dalish Elf. IMO the Dalish is better suited as a Warrior if only because of the way you can react towards Pol (the City Elf who fled after being arrested for thievery). A Dalish Rogue would be a perfect scout but I don't see one as being a thief (not that it can't be done, it's just not the direction the origin seems to be taking IMO). After all the Dalish Warden regardless of the gender is the former keeper's child and one of the most prominent hunter for the Clan. All this would point towards a Warrior rather than a Rogue.

What I find really interesting about the Dalish origin is that you don't have any gender related issues. By that I mean quite simply that it doesn't play differently with either a male or a female. A female may consider Tamlen as more than a friend (although nothing points to a closer connection between them it makes Tamlen's fate more poignant) whereas a male may relate to Merrill in the same way (the farewell dialogue seems to hint that there is some basis for such an interpretation).

In any case, I think most origins can be played as a male or as a female but that some are better suited to a specific gender. Human Noble probably works better with a female, City Elf follows stereotypes more closely with a male and the Mage origin is definitely the best origin for a more "girly" type of female character (the Amazon/Jeanne d'Arc argument).

I haven't finished the Dwarf Noble origin with a female character but I don't think this origin suits a female character as well as other origins. I'll have to look into it.

Modifié par Kalcalan, 29 mai 2010 - 12:13 .

[Kastlefeer]

Get a hair mod, you need to look good trust me. Get a helmet graphic removal mod, you don't want to mess up that hair unless you getting your sexy self on. Get a nudity mod, romance scenes were designed by the Chantry apparently. Get a better sex scene mod, why not? EMANCIPATION!

Modifié par Kastlefeer, 29 mai 2010 - 06:50 .

[spottyblanket]

Why is it hard to play as a character of the opposite sex?



Just because a character isn't the same sex as you, doesn't mean you cannot relate to them. It is all relative really. I get really sick of being asked how I relate to a character when discussing things in class just because it is *the* female character of the play/book/film. Whose to say I don't relate more to the main character, or perhapes another character--who is non-female?



And for the record, I find quite a lot of the female characters in dragon age hard to relate to. I admire them, sure, but I don't see them as role models, or an extended version of myself.

[Nerdage]

I tend to favor dex/magic on female characters, so they're generally mages or dagger wielding rogues, but otherwise it makes no difference to me, dialogues and plot choices stay pretty much the same either way.

Modifié par nerdage, 29 mai 2010 - 11:48 .

[tallinn]

Kalcalan wrote...

I'm not convinced by a female warden for the City Elf origin because of Soris. I find it odd for a female City Elf to spend so much time hanging around Soris instead of spending time with Shiani and the other elven maidens.

Soris is a companion in fate and shares her anxious feeling upon the arranged marriage stuff. And as most of the elven maidens behave more "typical" female (besides Shianna) I completely understand that my amazon Weoanna stays away from them. Staying away from them as long as she can means staying away from the wedding as long as she can.

Kalcalan wrote...
 IMO the Dalish is better suited as a Warrior if only because of the way you can react towards Pol (the City Elf who fled after being arrested for thievery). A Dalish Rogue would be a perfect scout but I don't see one as being a thief (not that it can't be done, it's just not the direction the origin seems to be taking IMO). After all the Dalish Warden regardless of the gender is the former keeper's child and one of the most prominent hunter for the Clan. All this would point towards a Warrior rather than a Rogue.

Maybe I have a misconception here. But I think a dalish elf (haven't played that origin yet, just what I learned through "Nature of the Beast") is a hunter living in the woods. He/she is an archer and familiar with animals, is wearing light armor for being fast and move through the forest easily. Being a hunter he/she knows about traps. Now (that may be the misconception, as most of the required talents are available to warriors as well) I think that such an archer in DAO is best build with the rogue-class and the Ranger spec thrown in. If I think archer I think rogue. I do not think of an rogue as the malicious dirty-fighting backstabbing character if he is a an archer. A melee rogue is that type of guy.

It is not surprising that the dalish elf story does not adopt to the gender. All adult dalish elfs are playing the same role regardless of gender. Perfect emancipation.

Modifié par tallinn, 30 mai 2010 - 09:24 .