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I just read this in the 1up Review, if any of you have seen The Good, The bad , The ugly the scene where Clint eastwood and Eli walach are running those scam's on the unsuspecting towns,

"I had to try to help when I heard that the first time. Having seen a few movies about this kind of thing, I naturally attempted to shoot the rope holding the guy up. Sadly, no matter how many times you've seen it done, it's hard the first couple times you try it yourself. Probably not so much consolation to the guy sobbing in the dust beneath his swinging friend, but I got the hang of it eventually. This is a game, after all, and practice makes perfect. " 1up review .

This is so kool ive always wanted to play out that kind of dead eye scene .....

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Busomjack wrote...

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Forget about Red Dead Redemption. Who needs that when we got The Darkspawn Chronicles coming out tomorrow?


Well, people who want something new to play for more than a couple-few hours, I'd wager.

I'm looking forward to giving Darkspawn Chronicles a spin, but a small bit of DLC is still no substitute for a whole brand new game.  Red Dead Redemption is coming just in time for me, as I've finally been getting a little tired of replaying DA and ME, at least for the time being.  (Although DLC for both of those has helped keep me away from any new games thus far.)

I don't blame you for thinking that Rockstar are overrated, but, as I said before, GTA IV was the first game in that series that really, really impressed me.  I didn't think it was perfect, but I don't think BioWare games are either.  Probably the highest praise I would ever give any game is to say that it delivers exactly what I want a game to deliver.  BioWare's best games do this for me, GTA IV did it for me as well, and Red Dead Redemption at least sounds a hell of a lot more promising to me than anything else coming out right now.  (I wouldn't mind trying a few other new games, but I'll probably hold off a little while.)

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I haven't heard anything of this sort before, but does anyone know if a PC port is inbound? Like I said, so far I haven't seen anything that says yes to that line of thought (just wishful thinking on the part of most folks). Curious to see if anyone has heard anything one way or the other.

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Nothing has been announced but count on it. Rockstar typically releases games on consoles first and then announces a PC version shortly after.

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Is anyone playing yet? It's torture sitting here at work for another 6 hours.

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I tried to play multiplayer but I had problems connecting for some reason. After the 3rd disconnect I gave up on that for now and was going to try out single player when the UPS truck came with my N7 pack from the Bazaar, kind of got side tracked with checking out all the new gear. I'm gonna try playing RDR again in a few.



But I'm guessing there's something wrong with the online services for the game right now, though. Like I said, multiplayer kept disconnecting me and every time I tried entering in the Gamestop outfit code, it would give me an error message. Hopefully it's something they can fix quickly.

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It wouldn't surprise me if they were having connection problems. Most newly released games do.

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Just got it a bit ago. I'm having the same connection issues, so that makes me want to not play too much, but it seems pretty fair. Horse controls seem a bit clunky, and the shooting leaves a bit to be desired, but the characters are interesting and well-acted enough. I definitely think I'll be making use of that Deadly Assassin outfit though, as some enemies are quite hard to hit without the slow-mo in effect.

Edit: It looks like linking another gamertag with your social club account and then downloading the content from there and using it on your preferred account doesn't work like it does in ME2, so if your Windows Live account has a different gamertag under it, it looks like you'll have to contact support. I really hate how developers do this linking crap.

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I actually find aiming to be fairly easy, you just have to use the auto-aim (have the camera pointed toward an enemy, click the left trigger to aim, and it'll be locked on to the enemy closest to the middle of the screen. kill target then repeat). The horses have a bit of a learning curve, but they're fairly easy to control once you get used to them. Finding the game to be good so far, just wish I could play it online. Was able to get online for about 5 minutes earlier before I got disconnected, but it was a fun 5 minutes

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I tried using the auto-lock when they told me about it, but it seemed to just put my reticle in the general area of my enemy, not anywhere I could actually hit them. I suppose I'll acclimate though.

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Twitchmonkey wrote...

I tried using the auto-lock when they told me about it, but it seemed to just put my reticle in the general area of my enemy, not anywhere I could actually hit them. I suppose I'll acclimate though.

That's weird, must be a bug. For me it's been putting the reticle square on my target's chest every time

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Hmm, sounds as if the game is already out. Not going to whether the game is great, waiting for peeps to finish the game.

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I had pre-ordered the game for the PS3, so I guess I need to wait a few more days before I can play.

I actually bought a PS3 for this game, too!

Reviews look good so far, looks like this will be the game that GTA4 should have been.

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XX55XX wrote...

I had pre-ordered the game for the PS3, so I guess I need to wait a few more days before I can play.

I actually bought a PS3 for this game, too!

Reviews look good so far, looks like this will be the game that GTA4 should have been.


I'd say GTA4 was what GTA4 should have been. So far I have found the narrative much stronger in that game than in this one. They're both good, but I found GTA4's to be really well done, this one thus far has just been fair, but we'll see how it develops.

Edit: Is it possible to win the first horse race? Just curious, because if it is I'll keep trying (I have to win something) but it seems to be like a one-lane car race that requires nearly perfect performance.

Edit #2: After 10 attempts or so, I managed to win, which had no notable effect on anything.

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I'm beginning to like this game a lot more, but I've just encountered two random encounters in a row that have annoyed me. The first was when I saw a man running from two other men shooting at him on horseback. I didn't note any clarity as to the situation on my mini-map, so I instinctively shoot one of the men on horseback. Well, it turns out those were the lawmen and they were chasing an outlaw. When I realized that I shot the outlaw, but that didn't seem to help the situation at all, and lacking a horse, the only way I could seem the evade the other lawman was to take him out. So I ultimately ended up -200 honor points, which is very much not how I'm trying to play this character.



The second annoyance was when I saw a man in the desert that asked me to kill two fleeing bandits. The quest said you could either capture them or kill them, so of course I went for the capture option, being the paragon I am. Unfortunately, the means of capturing enemies early on (shooting them in the leg) did not work here, and led to the first bandits death. I went to chase down the other to save some face, but while I was chasing him I was told that he had gotten away, even though I was actively pursuing him.



So yeah, watch out for that stuff.

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Twitchmonkey wrote...

I'm beginning to like this game a lot more, but I've just encountered two random encounters in a row that have annoyed me. The first was when I saw a man running from two other men shooting at him on horseback. I didn't note any clarity as to the situation on my mini-map, so I instinctively shoot one of the men on horseback. Well, it turns out those were the lawmen and they were chasing an outlaw. When I realized that I shot the outlaw, but that didn't seem to help the situation at all, and lacking a horse, the only way I could seem the evade the other lawman was to take him out. So I ultimately ended up -200 honor points, which is very much not how I'm trying to play this character.

The second annoyance was when I saw a man in the desert that asked me to kill two fleeing bandits. The quest said you could either capture them or kill them, so of course I went for the capture option, being the paragon I am. Unfortunately, the means of capturing enemies early on (shooting them in the leg) did not work here, and led to the first bandits death. I went to chase down the other to save some face, but while I was chasing him I was told that he had gotten away, even though I was actively pursuing him.

So yeah, watch out for that stuff.

Stick to the ranch for a few Bonnie quests and get your lasso, partner.  

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So I have a few questions for those who have/are playing RDR.



First of all, I don't purchase/play the GTA games. Just not a fan of the subject matter. (Keep in mind not a judgement on those who do, just saying it aint for me, don't like playing a criminal, etc.) I have however seen/played GTA SA for a very limited amount of time to get the gist of the gameplay. The game did seem impressive in its scope. I am also a huge fan of Sergio Leone, Clint Eastwood, John Ford, John Wayne, etc, etc so RDR looks right up my alley in terms of setting. It also seems that according to previews I can play a hero, an honorable man as it were. This appeals to the types of characters I like to play in video games. So my questions are these:



1. Can you play the game and feel like John Wayne so to speak, or perhaps a better example is, can I play as Josey Whales? (No problem with needing to use violence to avenge, or twisting storylines or the such, I just dont like being forced to purposefully play the villain. Didn't feel Joesy Whales was a villain at all, but rather the hero of that story.)



2. Is there any player agency in the missions? Or are they static, predetermined like ACII or something along those line? What I love about Bioware games is the story and interaction with NPCs and choices that influence the story. I realize RDR is a different sort of game, but its the closest thing to an RPG in the old west I'm likely to see.



So answers/thoughts to my questions would be greatly appreciated. I really want to love this game, but I really wanted to love AC, and then AC2 and simply didn't. AC to me was like playing the worlds greatest tech demo, and AC2 while a vast improvement still was far to static in its storytelling for my taste and felt too much like I was playing a video game.

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Alright, just ordered the game. Let's hope I get it on the release.

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CarlSpackler wrote...
1. Can you play the game and feel like John Wayne so to speak, or perhaps a better example is, can I play as Josey Whales? (No problem with needing to use violence to avenge, or twisting storylines or the such, I just dont like being forced to purposefully play the villain. Didn't feel Joesy Whales was a villain at all, but rather the hero of that story.)

2. Is there any player agency in the missions? Or are they static, predetermined like ACII or something along those line? What I love about Bioware games is the story and interaction with NPCs and choices that influence the story. I realize RDR is a different sort of game, but its the closest thing to an RPG in the old west I'm likely to see.

So answers/thoughts to my questions would be greatly appreciated. I really want to love this game, but I really wanted to love AC, and then AC2 and simply didn't. AC to me was like playing the worlds greatest tech demo, and AC2 while a vast improvement still was far to static in its storytelling for my taste and felt too much like I was playing a video game.

1.  Yes.  I absolutely get that John Wayne/Eastwood hero type feeling when I'm playing and I try to be a good man.  I saw a man raping a prostitute so I whipped out my pistol and put him in his grave.  There are other nonviolent solutions you could impose such as lassoing the guy and hogtieing him. 

I was riding my horse down the trail and a treasure hunter was screaming for help.  Two men on horseback were shooting at him trying to steal his goods.  I stepped in and saved the man and he rewarded me with a treasure map.  It's an old map with just a couple features of the land scrawled onto it, but if I ever find that rock and tree, I'm gonna be a rich man!  Lots of these things are just happening in the world around you and not actually part of the main quests.  It's quite a living breathing world. 

2.  The main quest lines are fairly static so far.  You pretty much play the open world portion of the game in your preferred style but regardless of what you do the main quests have a scripted cutscene and quest. 

I find this game far better than the GTA series simply because the violence fits in this old west world where it was fairly out of place in the middle of a city.  Plus you have more freedom to be good or evil in this game with fame and honor slider bars that actually effect the way people treat you.  Items/weapons/clothing have stats or bonuses.  There appears to be some gathering in the game (I could buy a map that would show me where to get various herbs in the wild).  You can bait for animals and go hunting.  All the various mini games are a blast.  I spent a couple hours playing Texas Hold'Em.

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AshedMan wrote...

1.  Yes.  I absolutely get that John Wayne/Eastwood hero type feeling when I'm playing and I try to be a good man.  I saw a man raping a prostitute so I whipped out my pistol and put him in his grave.  There are other nonviolent solutions you could impose such as lassoing the guy and hogtieing him. 

I was riding my horse down the trail and a treasure hunter was screaming for help.  Two men on horseback were shooting at him trying to steal his goods.  I stepped in and saved the man and he rewarded me with a treasure map.  It's an old map with just a couple features of the land scrawled onto it, but if I ever find that rock and tree, I'm gonna be a rich man!  Lots of these things are just happening in the world around you and not actually part of the main quests.  It's quite a living breathing world. 

2.  The main quest lines are fairly static so far.  You pretty much play the open world portion of the game in your preferred style but regardless of what you do the main quests have a scripted cutscene and quest. 

I find this game far better than the GTA series simply because the violence fits in this old west world where it was fairly out of place in the middle of a city.  Plus you have more freedom to be good or evil in this game with fame and honor slider bars that actually effect the way people treat you.  Items/weapons/clothing have stats or bonuses.  There appears to be some gathering in the game (I could buy a map that would show me where to get various herbs in the wild).  You can bait for animals and go hunting.  All the various mini games are a blast.  I spent a couple hours playing Texas Hold'Em.


Thanks for the reply.  I decided to pick up the game on my lunch break based in part on your response.  I'm still a little skeptical as to how much I'll enjoy the game at its best as it seems only Bioware/Obsidian (or now extinct rpg devloper) style rpgs seem to really bring out my joy in single player gaming, but I've always wanted to play a GTA style game that I didn't have to play in the GTA setting.  I am looking forward to playing the game, to just enjoy the world for what it is.  Thanks again.

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Twitchmonkey wrote...

I'm beginning to like this game a lot more, but I've just encountered two random encounters in a row that have annoyed me. The first was when I saw a man running from two other men shooting at him on horseback. I didn't note any clarity as to the situation on my mini-map, so I instinctively shoot one of the men on horseback. Well, it turns out those were the lawmen and they were chasing an outlaw. When I realized that I shot the outlaw, but that didn't seem to help the situation at all, and lacking a horse, the only way I could seem the evade the other lawman was to take him out. So I ultimately ended up -200 honor points, which is very much not how I'm trying to play this character.

The second annoyance was when I saw a man in the desert that asked me to kill two fleeing bandits. The quest said you could either capture them or kill them, so of course I went for the capture option, being the paragon I am. Unfortunately, the means of capturing enemies early on (shooting them in the leg) did not work here, and led to the first bandits death. I went to chase down the other to save some face, but while I was chasing him I was told that he had gotten away, even though I was actively pursuing him.

So yeah, watch out for that stuff.


For the first annoyance yea I had that problem too. You just have to go with your gut on those kinds of decisions(Or just kill them all and let god sort it out!Image IPB) For the second annoyance I did the same and still do sometimes. Its still new to me but ill get the hang of it!

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Any one of you want to know who to get pretty rich early on just play Poker at mcfarlenes ranch and bet high the other players will get scared and fold and you will win. If you have the patience to do this until each player busts out(there are normally 4 or 5 there) Than you will end up with a fistfull of dollars and alot of pissed off poker players.

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I'm so excited for this game, should be dropping through the door tomorrow. Thanks for the tip Blackbaron. :)

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Blackbaron15 wrote...

Any one of you want to know who to get pretty rich early on just play Poker at mcfarlenes ranch and bet high the other players will get scared and fold and you will win. If you have the patience to do this until each player busts out(there are normally 4 or 5 there) Than you will end up with a fistfull of dollars and alot of pissed off poker players.

If they have a good hand they will call, so be wary.  I played those guys for hours.  In the end you only win the total buy-in from the players, which for this table is $50.  If you're trying to get rich then you can make faster money just doing the bounty quests and night time patrols at the ranch. 

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AshedMan wrote...

Blackbaron15 wrote...

Any one of you want to know who to get pretty rich early on just play Poker at mcfarlenes ranch and bet high the other players will get scared and fold and you will win. If you have the patience to do this until each player busts out(there are normally 4 or 5 there) Than you will end up with a fistfull of dollars and alot of pissed off poker players.

If they have a good hand they will call, so be wary.  I played those guys for hours.  In the end you only win the total buy-in from the players, which for this table is $50.  If you're trying to get rich then you can make faster money just doing the bounty quests and night time patrols at the ranch. 


At times I have played hold-em for real cash to raise a few bucks here and there. I wouldn't call myself a pro by any means but I'm decent enough at the game to generally walk away from a limit table with $40-80 profit in an hour or two.

That said, the poker AI in this game is terrible. If you know anything about how to play poker, you'll easily obliterate them. They are completely predicatable and you can muscle them out on almost every occasion. And yeah when they call, they aren't bluffing. They've probably got high pair or something. But that just makes it even easier.

Edit: Oh and by the way. This game is pretty awesome. Played into the wee hours with my friends last night. Quite a posse of outlaws we had goin' The world is a really big too. Reminds me if walking around in WoW...

Modifié par Wicked 702, 19 mai 2010 - 08:49 .