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[Apocalypse89]

FlyingWalrus wrote...

This thread has been taken over by the whiners. And yet it doesn't change the truth of the title.
One of the best, at least.

Heh, agreed.

For all the complaints the series gets(some legitimate flaws, others pointless nitpicking or simple personal preference), it still manages to be more than the sum of its parts and an extremely enjoyable experience. Games with this much content, production values, and effort put into them are few and far between. Thanks Bioware.

[wizardryforever]

Let's take a look at some facts here:

1. Cerberus Network must be downloaded, as in, not included in the game

2. You do not have to pay for it

3. Therefore, Cerberus Network is free DLC



Anyway, I agree that Bioware is an amazing developer, one of my very favorites. Agree with the OP wholeheartedly.

[Screech47]

"Free DLC!" as in "We're not going to be evil bastards like DO developer team and charge for it even though it's already done by release date.



To me that's not a nice thing they did, just something they should have done.



Before you make an ass out of u.m.e, I like this game.

[sonofalich]

Blizzard and Bethesda are the best as far as i'm concerned...

[VampireCommando]

I am totally agree with the OP, BioWare is one of the worlds best in the game industry, in my eyes anyway. Alas it is a shame to see so many trolls on this thread whining about nothing is free and they dont patch their games ect ect, well i'm no games developer however i am quite a big geek so i can try to understand the type of effort that goes into a game such as ME and DA, yes there not without they glitches and minor problems but when creating a game of that magnitude and awesomeness it is bound to happen. With people constanly whining about patch this, or patch that its not as easy as just going into the programing typing some numbers in and then releasing it, they might have to try for months to find the right bit of coding where the glitch is and then they must spend even more time trying to correct it without altering something else further down the line creating another, maybe even bigger problem than before and i understand peoples fustration of wanting certain parts of the game to work how they were meant to, but the truth is it's not that simple and with people giving nothing but quite harsh critism -in my opinion- can really have a negative eect on the morale of the people working on it so i'm glad to see that there are people like the OP and some others that really do appriciate the work that BioWare do because as i imagine it cant be a easy thing to try and patch a game. Another thing you need to stop moaning at is saying that the cerberus network isnt free because that is bullsh!t as far as im concerned, you dont get it on the disk and you have to download it so i think its safe to say that qualifies as free, sure some of it is things that were cut from the original game but i dont see many other companies releasing stuff like that for free, hell some companies even charge for things that have ben cut so in my eyes some people are being rude and disrspecful when they are trolling about free DLC.



But now that my little rant at the trolls & whinners is over, i just want to say i agree with the OP and want to say thanks for BioWare for being . . . well, so awesome and making great games with great after launch support o thanks BW guys and girls and kep up the good work .

[Fiery Phoenix]

big420mac wrote...

Read the title. I don't know how much appreciation they have received for all the free DLC, but they deserve every bit of it and more. I borrowed this game to a friend and after finally receiving it, I see "New Content Available" on the menu. I press it and behold a slew of free DLC. The DLC I do have to pay for is incredibly cheap. That is just awesome. Not only do you guys make awesome games but you also support them after launch. Bioware is simply the best.

Approved.  A simple thanks can always go a long way.

[bjdbwea]

Stanley Woo wrote...

scyphozoa wrote...
to the op, it is very nice to see someone genuinely express their thanks and gratitude for bioware.

Indeed it is. OP, thanks for the kind words.

Yeah, indeed. It is also understandable that everyone likes kind words. However, it would also be nice if BioWare employees would reply to threads containing criticism too, now and then.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 14 mai 2010 - 01:32 .

[Tin Soldier]

wizardryforever wrote...

Let's take a look at some facts here:
1. Cerberus Network must be downloaded, as in, not included in the game
2. You do not have to pay for it
3. Therefore, Cerberus Network is free DLC

Anyway, I agree that Bioware is an amazing developer, one of my very favorites. Agree with the OP wholeheartedly.

How does one acquire access to Cerberus Network?

[cruc1al]

Tin Soldier wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

Let's take a look at some facts here:
1. Cerberus Network must be downloaded, as in, not included in the game
2. You do not have to pay for it
3. Therefore, Cerberus Network is free DLC

Anyway, I agree that Bioware is an amazing developer, one of my very favorites. Agree with the OP wholeheartedly.

How does one acquire access to Cerberus Network?

By paying for the card in the retail game box or paying for the network separately.

[JackShepard]

To the people who insist on drawing out the "free" debate...





*shrug* To each his own.





What matters to me is that this game is well worth the money I paid for it, and more. Thank you, BioWare. While I'm not blind to your flaws and occasional shortcomings, you have provided me with way more value and memorable gaming experiences than any other developer out there...







NOW GET TO WORK ON MASS EFFECT 3

[BiancoAngelo7]

Man this thread was such utter fail from the moment I saw the title in the forum list....its empty vacuous threads like this that make the people over at Bioware go



"hey look! They still think we're great even after all the incredible shortcomings our so-called amazing "sequel" had and all the DLC BS weve given them! ... Hooraaayz full steam ahead captain!"



Seriously, enough with these blind "I love Bioware" threads, because there is little reason to do so with everything they have been doing since after ME1.

[smecky-kitteh]

sonofalich wrote...

Blizzard and Bethesda are the best as far as i'm concerned...

boooooo!

[Itkovian]

Agreed. Between ME2 and DAO, this is a good time to be a Bioware fan.

Itkovian

[wizardryforever]

cruc1al wrote...

Tin Soldier wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

Let's take a look at some facts here:
1. Cerberus Network must be downloaded, as in, not included in the game
2. You do not have to pay for it
3. Therefore, Cerberus Network is free DLC

Anyway, I agree that Bioware is an amazing developer, one of my very favorites. Agree with the OP wholeheartedly.

How does one acquire access to Cerberus Network?

By paying for the card in the retail game box or paying for the network separately.

ANY DLC for any game requires you to have the actual game in order to use it, so that makes it a bit of a non-issue.  As for used games, those who buy the game used are probably getting ripped off by not having the Cerberus network code sold too.  Kinda like buying a game with one of the discs missing, then having to pay extra for the missing disc.

[AwesomestMatt]

big420mac wrote...

Read the title. I don't know how much appreciation they have received for all the free DLC, but they deserve every bit of it and more. I borrowed this game to a friend and after finally receiving it, I see "New Content Available" on the menu. I press it and behold a slew of free DLC. The DLC I do have to pay for is incredibly cheap. That is just awesome. Not only do you guys make awesome games but you also support them after launch. Bioware is simply the best.

I do enjoy the content that Bioware produces, and I'm looking forward to what the rest of the year holds for ME2.

On a side note, those of you debating about the legitimacy of the Cerberus Network, your posting on the wrong forum.  This is an EA initiative to force consumers into buying new games they produce/distribute if you want any sort of online interaction, take a look. 
The Cerberus Network, in a sense, was just a way for EA to decided if the 'online pass' route was a viable marketing option.  
On a smaller side note, paid DLC can be bought outside the Cerberus Network; I purchased Katsumi using this method.

[cruc1al]

wizardryforever wrote...

cruc1al wrote...

Tin Soldier wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

Let's take a look at some facts here:
1. Cerberus Network must be downloaded, as in, not included in the game
2. You do not have to pay for it
3. Therefore, Cerberus Network is free DLC

Anyway, I agree that Bioware is an amazing developer, one of my very favorites. Agree with the OP wholeheartedly.

How does one acquire access to Cerberus Network?

By paying for the card in the retail game box or paying for the network separately.

ANY DLC for any game requires you to have the actual game in order to use it, so that makes it a bit of a non-issue.  As for used games, those who buy the game used are probably getting ripped off by not having the Cerberus network code sold too.  Kinda like buying a game with one of the discs missing, then having to pay extra for the missing disc.

It isn't an issue for me that any DLC requires you to buy the game... but it is factually incorrect to call any DLC free, then.

Modifié par cruc1al, 14 mai 2010 - 05:12 .

[Stanley Woo]

bjdbwea wrote...
Yeah, indeed. It is also understandable that everyone likes kind words. However, it would also be nice if BioWare employees would reply to threads containing criticism too, now and then.

We do, but there are only so many demands-phrased-as-suggestions we can listen to, and only so many "good ideas" we can take, and only so many ways we can politely disagree with people. It's really easy to whinge and moan about all the stuff you don't like about a product, and people do it all the time. The internet makes it super-simple to make mountains out of molehills, to declare oneself an authority representing the voice of thousands of others, and to present one's preference as if it were undeniable fact.

Some folks simply don't know how to present criticism in a constructive manner, and don't believe that we could ever, in good faith, disagree with their assessment of the game. So yes, we do reply to threads containing criticism. We have folks in Marketing and on the dev team and/or patch team who have made frequent forays into the various Tech Support forums, we have gameplay designers asking people's opinions on specific systems, we have folks on our writing and design teams interacting with folks talking about story and characters, and we have the rovers like me and Priestly participating in threads discussing our community, our company, our games, and other things in general.

Just because we don't respond to ALL post in ALL threads, or answer ALL questions to EVERYONE'S satisfaaction, doesn't mean we don't participate. We can't even begin to address everyone's concerns because this community is so large and some of the issues are mutually exclusive. But we do what we can.

[Stanley Woo]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Man this thread was such utter fail from the moment I saw the title in the forum list....its empty vacuous threads like this that make the people over at Bioware go

"hey look! They still think we're great even after all the incredible shortcomings our so-called amazing "sequel" had and all the DLC BS weve given them! ... Hooraaayz full steam ahead captain!"

Seriously, enough with these blind "I love Bioware" threads, because there is little reason to do so with everything they have been doing since after ME1.

You would prefer us to get depressed with all the critique threads rather than let some people express their sincere enjoyment of what we do? Everyone has to agree with you that we don't deserve praise as long as you don't like what we do?

How about "hey, look! Some people appreciate something that I've spent the last two years working on and poured my heart and soul and a lot of sleepless nights into! Despite the shortcomings I see and all the flak we've gotten and the controversy surrounding DLC, we've still put out an amazing product that we should be proud of!"

Haters gotta hate, I know that, but the opposite also holds true. Love is not always blind, just as hate is not always unjustified. That big giant space in between love and hate, BiancoAngelo7? That's everyone else between you and the "blind lovers" out there, so if you want us to take the haters (or "conscientious objectors" or "realists" or "not fanbois") seriously, you're going to have to accept that a) you're not the voice of authority here, and some folks will disagree with you.

[VampireCommando]

Stanley Woo wrote...

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Man this thread was such utter fail from the moment I saw the title in the forum list....its empty vacuous threads like this that make the people over at Bioware go

"hey look! They still think we're great even after all the incredible shortcomings our so-called amazing "sequel" had and all the DLC BS weve given them! ... Hooraaayz full steam ahead captain!"

Seriously, enough with these blind "I love Bioware" threads, because there is little reason to do so with everything they have been doing since after ME1.

You would prefer us to get depressed with all the critique threads rather than let some people express their sincere enjoyment of what we do? Everyone has to agree with you that we don't deserve praise as long as you don't like what we do?

How about "hey, look! Some people appreciate something that I've spent the last two years working on and poured my heart and soul and a lot of sleepless nights into! Despite the shortcomings I see and all the flak we've gotten and the controversy surrounding DLC, we've still put out an amazing product that we should be proud of!"

Haters gotta hate, I know that, but the opposite also holds true. Love is not always blind, just as hate is not always unjustified. That big giant space in between love and hate, BiancoAngelo7? That's everyone else between you and the "blind lovers" out there, so if you want us to take the haters (or "conscientious objectors" or "realists" or "not fanbois") seriously, you're going to have to accept that a) you're not the voice of authority here, and some folks will disagree with you.

This

[I99I Dragoon]

Under a sea of complaining, nit-picking, and whiners who for some reason think they know how to create, market, promote, and support a video game, its good to see true supporters. I'm a Bioware guy til I die....or at least until the Reapers show up. In which case, Bioware can also see the future!



Once again, showing my support, I love Bioware. Keep up the great work.



*Begins the 12th playthrough while refreshing the main page for more Overlord screens*

[bjdbwea]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Some folks simply don't know how to present criticism in a constructive manner, and don't believe that we could ever, in good faith, disagree with their assessment of the game.

Oh, I absolutely believe that, and I have no problem with it. Thanks for your answer by the way. I don't demand or expect another answer, so even though I'd have to say more, I'll keep this (rather) short.

I have read many critical posts (and I've written some too), concerning the story, characters, as well as gameplay issues in ME 2. Unfortunately I must say I have seen almost no constructive reply from anyone at BioWare. Maybe I've just overlooked them, but I don't think so. It was either "thank you" posts when someone defended the developers, or "too bad you didn't like it, but so what" posts. (I have to exclude the technical support people from this, they have been quite forthcoming).

Maybe the forums are just too big and, as you say, too filled with people who don't know how to discuss properly. And of course there's always the issue that the employees aren't allowed to speak as openly as they or the players might want. It is still a bit disappointing though. Especially because we both know, that as soon as ME 3 is around the corner, we will suddenly see a sharp increase in developer posts, but unfortunately they will still largely ignore any criticism of the previous game.

I think by now you at BioWare know what the main criticisms have been. Obviously you can't respond whenever a point is raised again. But replying at least once would have been enough, any statement would soon enough be known to everyone. So far, it seems like many issues are simply ignored. That may be the current policy, but it's not a good policy. With the MMO players you will have to deal with, this kind of non-communication will not work in any case.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 14 mai 2010 - 10:42 .

[Stanley Woo]

I am aware that sometimes, people just get so caught up in something they're really passionate about, they come across as more hostile or more fawning than they intend to. But far too many people are extremely confrontational with folks that don't agree with them. the "troll vs. fanboi" "debate" is a perfect example of this. If you have issues with the game, anyone who expresses positive comments is labeled a "fanboi," and if you are a big fan of the game, anyone who expresses criticisms is labeled a "troll." That's a terrible way to convince people you're worth listening to, let alone a way to convince the folks at BioWare who make the decisions to listen to you.



You don't have to "know how to create, market, promote, and support a video game" to express positive or negative opinions, but it helps to have an idea of how games are made so you can understand us when we say things like a certain thing was "cut for time" or why we can't simply change or add anything in the time during release candidates, certification, gold, and manufacturing. but even if you don't know any of it, simply "being excellent to each other" will help in keeping the lines of communication open (both within the community and between fan and developer). And really, isn't that what we all want anyway?