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[Nozybidaj]

Busomjack wrote...

You're either with Bioware or you're with the terrorists.

JIHAD!!

[iharal5]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Tali was pretty popular before ME2, so.....

As for the rest, it actually is just your opinion.  I would agree with ecal that content wise I don't notice much difference between the ME1 and ME2 characters.  The only real difference in the quantity of content there is 1) The loyalty mission and 2) The number of them.

Whether a particular character has a "richer personality" or not is pretty much the definition of opinion.

Sure, she was popular. But have you seen today's Tali-threads? She sure as hell wasn't a frigginn God post-release ME2

But okay, I guess as for the other characters it pretty much falls down to your own meaning... which has its background in which game you played first. Because, seriously, how can anyone say that Kaidan is a character just as good as Tali, liara, Miranda, Garrus, Legion and so on?

[Nozybidaj]

iharal5 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Tali was pretty popular before ME2, so.....

As for the rest, it actually is just your opinion.  I would agree with ecal that content wise I don't notice much difference between the ME1 and ME2 characters.  The only real difference in the quantity of content there is 1) The loyalty mission and 2) The number of them.

Whether a particular character has a "richer personality" or not is pretty much the definition of opinion.

Sure, she was popular. But have you seen today's Tali-threads? She sure as hell wasn't a frigginn God post-release ME2

But okay, I guess as for the other characters it pretty much falls down to your own meaning... which has its background in which game you played first. Because, seriously, how can anyone say that Kaidan is a character just as good as Tali, liara, Miranda, Garrus, Legion and so on?

That's my whole point, you are simply dismissing anyone's opinion who disagrees with you.  I could just as easily turn your question around and say "Because, seriously, how can anyone say that Miranda is a character just
as good as Tali, liara, Wrex, Garrus, and so on?" and be just as right (or wrong as the case may be) as you are.

[jgordon11]

OK  then lets actually look at the characters:

Ashley- soldier whos a bit racist and is being held back b/c of her family's bad rep
Liara- Nerdy innocent kid but mom is evil
Garrus- the cop who follows his own rules
Wrex- the BA bounty hunter whos fighting for his oppressed people (best character)
Tali- the alien on a pilgrimage
Kaiden-... (do i really need to say hes the boy toy?)

Ok so you say those are really better characters than the ME2 ones?

Hmm lets start with:
Garrus- goes vigilante, but loses his team and feels responsible who still wants revenge(this is clearly a decent character development)
Tali- becomes more of an operative than simple girl on pilgrimage and then they add the story with her father trying to get her a good home.
Miranda- Ice queen with daddy problems, since she was made to be "perfect" she holds herself up to those perfect standards.  Is hotter than ashley... IMO this is a better character than ashley (leading lady) out of the fact that while she appears be this ice queen at first you learn that she is really compensating for her own insecurity about her creation.  Id take that over racist soldier whos not being promoted  b/c of her family.
Mordin- The mad machiavellian scientist (this character is actual pretty good) who while strictly follows logic still has doubts over the work he has done.
Samara- the strict rule bound avenger, but turns out that she joined by all of her children are monsters and joined to atone for her sins and to hunt her own daughter down.
Thane- assassin whos trying to redeem himself in his eyes and the eyes of his son before he dies (eh a tad boring but the leaving son to avenge mom added some substance)
Grunt- the BA "perfect" krogan, but has an identity crisis (like miranda but without being as interesting)
Legion- helpful machine
Zaeed- Boba Fett except got shot in the face and betrayed
Kasumi- Super thief with lost lover and goes on mission to retrieve his memories (eh but well developed considering how limited she is being a dlc character)

They even make liara a more interesting character by making her lose her innocence in her mission to save shep.

And thats why in my opinion they ME2 characters are better.  With the loyalty missions you really get to see deeper into the characters and their own faults and personalities.  It adds depth because you get to explore them and see them develop more as they try to wrap up lose ends in their lives before the "suicide" mission.  On the other hand with the exception of wrex the ME characters are pretty shallow. 

See look the other side can have people who will support their arguement too.  And i do recognize this is just my own opinion.

Anyway bioware does a great job.

Modifié par jgordon11, 18 mai 2010 - 12:39 .

[Nozybidaj]

jgordon11 wrote...

And i do recognize this is just my own opinion.

Kudos to you then, most folks seem to take everything they write as written is stone facts around here.

I might not agree with all of your assessments, but you are certainly entitled to them.

[Ecael]

Nozybidaj wrote...



Hehe, yes well, kinda proves my point doesn't it.

You also deleted the rest of that post, which just proved Stanley's point as well as mine.

:innocent:

[Nozybidaj]

Ecael wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...



Hehe, yes well, kinda proves my point doesn't it.

You also deleted the rest of that post, which just proved Stanley's point as well as mine.

:innocent:

I didn't delete anything.  If something was removed, it wasn't by me.

Edit: And I just went back and looked for the post.  Nope, that is all it ever said, not sure what you are talking about.

Modifié par Nozybidaj, 18 mai 2010 - 01:00 .

[Ecael]

Barquiel wrote...

iharal5 wrote...
and... let's face it, they have far richer personalities.

richer personality = "Can it wait Shepard? I'm in the middle of some calibrations." ?

Mass Effect 1:

To Kaidan/Ashley - "What's your opinion on the last mission?"
-Repeat last mission dialogue

Garrus - "Commander. I want to thank you."
-"Thank me?"

Tali - "Hey, Shepard, need me for something?"
-No dialogue choice to ask new info

Wrex - "Shepard."
-No dialogue choice to ask new info
-"Wrex."

Liara - "Of course, Commander. What did you want to talk about?"
-Investigate, same information

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Mass Effect 2 skirted around having the characters repeat the same information to you by ending the conversation, while Mass Effect 1 allowed you to ask the same info in case you missed it.

Either way, the dialogue ends after a while. Just because you can call up a meme for a character carrying over to Mass Effect 2 doesn't mean that it lacks dialogue. You're only saying that because that's the first thing that comes up (availability bias), without realizing that Mass Effect 1 didn't even have most of the characters end the conversation for you.

[Ecael]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...



Hehe, yes well, kinda proves my point doesn't it.

You also deleted the rest of that post, which just proved Stanley's point as well as mine.

:innocent:

I didn't delete anything.  If something was removed, it wasn't by me.

I may picture spam, but at least I provide verbose arguments in the meantime. Just because people don't bother to read them (or bother to refute most of it) doesn't mean that's the only thing I do.

People just end up nitpicking my posts as if that entirely proves me wrong. That alone almost makes me feel like a moderator.

You saw the picture, but then you decided to post right after seeing it.

It's better to read the entire post first before replying.

[Nozybidaj]

Ecael wrote...

I may picture spam, but at least I provide verbose arguments in the meantime. Just because people don't bother to read them (or bother to refute most of it) doesn't mean that's the only thing I do.

People just end up nitpicking my posts as if that entirely proves me wrong. That alone almost makes me feel like a moderator.

Ah gotcha.  I didn't see where that was relevant to anything, so yes I cut that out of your quote.  I think again you misinterpreted me.  My "proves my point" was in relation to what Woo said, not you in particular.

Modifié par Nozybidaj, 18 mai 2010 - 01:03 .

[Vincent Rosevalliant]

Bioware is not the best. Because their patches make the game crash more than before and don't fix anything. DA:O is still broken since launch-day. Patience is waning...

[Ecael]

Vincent Rosevalliant wrote...

Bioware is not the best. Because their patches make the game crash more than before and don't fix anything. DA:O is still broken since launch-day. Patience is waning...

DA:O or DA: Awakening? I've avoided Awakening because of the substandard reviews and the general opinion of the forum. I figured an expansion for a 4 month old game would lack the time for enough quality assurance.

[Maginipowfire]

What I really would like to know is why are we seeing so many DLCs and no Expansion packs at all. I don't want to sound ungrateful. Bioware is in my opinion on of the best if not the best game developer out there, but it kinda bugs me to see the focus on DLC for the ME series.

Call me old school but Bioware was the one who spoiled me with the Neverwinter Nights support. Amazing patches, and amazing expansion packs. I know that it is probably a lot more work to create content for ME than it was to create for NWN, but I'd rather wait longer and get a lot of content than get little content in shorter time.

[Vincent Rosevalliant]

I can't speak for Awakenings. I won't buy anything until the Original works again. Which might be the only reason for Bioware to patch it. Without quality assurance they will lose business. They won't notice until their next game, though.

Not trying to troll, just saying: You can't be the best if your games don't work as intended. (or at all)

[Homey C-Dawg]

To OP- Yes ME2 is an amazing game.



To Stan Woo- I enjoyed reading your responses. You can never have too much interactivity with your community. I for one enjoy seeing Bioware people posting regardless of what they say, if for no other reason than because it constantly reaffirms for a fact that they are reading what people are saying.

[Mithran88]

People will always find something to complain about. Bioware in my opinion has done well over the years, and their games have come a long ways. The Mass Effect games I and II are among my favorites along with Kotor. There is always room for improvement and there is always only so much what technology can support atm. With all that is out there and that can be done with what we have in todays world I say they have done well. -cant wait for ME III, till then its fun to put together all the clues left in ME I and II on what will happen in ME III -Hope they bring back Liara as a squadmate FTW, she was always my favorite lol.

[KitsuneRommel]

jgordon11 wrote...

Ashley- soldier whos a bit racist and is being held back b/c of her family's bad rep

I found Ashley extremely boring the first time but she sort of grows on you especially if you play a more mixed character and share her concerns. Besides "Sir, they have flashlight heads" cracks me up.

Mass Effect 2 skirted around having the characters repeat the same
information to you by ending the conversation, while Mass Effect 1
allowed you to ask the same info in case you missed it.

Kaidan hasn't told me anything new since I left the Citadel. Does he hate me or what? But hey, it's fun to ask Wrex about the Ghenophage for the nth time.

[Barquiel]

Ecael wrote...

Either way, the dialogue ends after a while. Just because you can call up a meme for a character carrying over to Mass Effect 2 doesn't mean that it lacks dialogue. You're only saying that because that's the first thing that comes up (availability bias), without realizing that Mass Effect 1 didn't even have most of the characters end the conversation for you.

non-romance Garrus has very little dialogue, that's the problem.

I don't really like Ashley, but at least she has a personality if you don't romance her.

Modifié par Barquiel, 18 mai 2010 - 07:47 .

[KitsuneRommel]

Barquiel wrote...

non-romance Garrus has very little dialogue, that's the problem.

So does non-romance Kaidan too. It would've been better to give them multiple lines to choose from if they don't have anything to say.

[Barquiel]

maybe

I am not saying that the ME1 squadmates "have far richer personalities"
There is no difference between ME1 and ME2...imo. I love Liara, but you have to romance her as well (or she is an asari enzyclopedia).

Modifié par Barquiel, 18 mai 2010 - 08:15 .

[Fredvdp]

DreDk wrote...

"Bioware is the best. "

NO, Bioware is NOT the best, not anymore.
It was the best.
Now, they have to prove it again to me.
After DA (xbox360 version) & ME2 I have lost faith in them.

The games are fine and I even consider Mass Effect 2 their best and possibly the best game ever made despite of its flaws. Dragon Age ran on the Xbox 360 as anyone should have expected it to run. It's a high end PC game and the current-gen consoles run on dated hardware. A PC with similar specs as an Xbox 360 would also have problems running it with high quality textures.

I used to consider BioWare the best game developer but they lost some of my respect in how they treat their customers. Usually interaction with the community is great but sometimes they just screw up big time. The BioWare Bazaar is the best example. I can't believe someone would actually think it was a good idea to let people spam links to BioWare pages on websites like Gamespot and IGN in exchange for credits to buy useless stuff and call it a "celebration". That's both insulting towards the fans and respectless towards the entertainment sites because BioWare encouraged spam on their forums.

I do appreciate how BioWare listens to its fans and I liked most of the changes in Mass Effect 2. It had a better squad, much improved combat and the biggest improvement of all: good sound. Lack of surround sound on integrated sound cards was in my opinion the biggest problem Mass Effect 1 had. What I don't like about Mass Effect 2 is how paragon and renegade points are handled. Making it almost necessary to end with either a full paragon or renegade bar to keep everyone loyal discourages players to make a character whose morality is ambiguous. Having to choose in advance if you're gonna be renegade or paragon and never straying from that path takes away a lot of the roleplaying. In Mass Effect 1 having high charm of intimidate led to a sort of reward when you reached the final boss and it was satisfying but not necessary. That's how it worked best.

Modifié par Fredvdp, 18 mai 2010 - 12:00 .

[mellors]

Bioware is easily one of the best developers in gaming, ever since they started really. Have they screwed up on occasion? Sure, but they are one of the few companies where you can look through their catalogue and see only 4 and 5 star rated games, all of which have both Bioware classic traits and a unique feel with new ideas that some like and some do not.

Modifié par mellors, 18 mai 2010 - 11:51 .

[Ecael]

Barquiel wrote...

maybe

I am not saying that the ME1 squadmates "have far richer personalities"
There is no difference between ME1 and ME2...imo. I love Liara, but you have to romance her as well (or she is an asari enzyclopedia).

Glad to see we agree.

:happy:

Liara does have a lot of information about the Asari without romance with either gender of Shepard (and that's a good thing). Although it appears that a lot of the romance dialogue is very similar to the whole awkward "You... you like me? We're not even the same species..." Garrus/Tali romance from ME2.

Miranda/Jacob/Jack seems a little rushed compared to Ashley/Kaidan. I like Thane's in that he maintains his composure with Shepard until the very end, but I do question why he'd fall for Shepard so easily when he's spent his entire life feeling guilty of what happened to his family.

[Ecael]

mellors wrote...

Bioware is easily one of the best developers in gaming, ever since they started really. Have they screwed up on occasion? Sure, but they are one of the few companies where you can look through their catalogue and see only 4 and 5 star rated games, all of which have both Bioware classic traits and a unique feel with new ideas that some like and some do not.

BioWare's definitely up there with Valve, Rockstar North, Blizzard and Nintendo.

[Icinix]

Ecael wrote...

mellors wrote...

Bioware is easily one of the best developers in gaming, ever since they started really. Have they screwed up on occasion? Sure, but they are one of the few companies where you can look through their catalogue and see only 4 and 5 star rated games, all of which have both Bioware classic traits and a unique feel with new ideas that some like and some do not.

BioWare's definitely up there with Valve, Rockstar North, Blizzard and Nintendo.

Used to have Westwood in there too. (Sniffle) I really miss those guys.