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[drunken pyromaniac]

Madman123456 wrote...

Let me wrap this up. Ashley is a bit angry at shep for not calling her the whole time. Even if he was "dead" for most of it he could have called instead of "randomly" (could have seemed randomly to her in that moment, although she might have thought later that shepard was sent there so Cerberus could mess with her.) stumble upon her.
But then again, he couldn't. Her whereabouts where classified and no one in Cerberus knew anything until right before the Mission and the Alliance wouldn't give anything away.

Shepard could have told her that he tried to reach her. And Ash could have at least tried to listen.

Indeed, but this is the writer's fault, not Ashley's.

About Cerberus being a "terrorist" Organization. "Terrorrists try to strike fear, or better yet, terror into your Heart. When they bomb something, they don't have anything against the People they kill, they just want to strike terror. That is the ultimate Goal.

Although i have to say that i fully expect TIM to use Fear as an Instrument to get what he wants, though there isn't any Evidence of him doing so in the Past.

Wrong, all terrorists have goals. They don't just do it for the ****s and giggles. They're fighting for a cause they believe in.

[Dean_the_Young]

Ash would be pretty easy to get a message to. Even if her email account from the last game magically disappeared, she does have family which isn't so hidden. It might take a little longer, but it would be far from impossible.



Kaiden's similar: he has (more distant) relations he keeps in contact with.



There almost certainly was a period in which Shepard could have contacted the LI, but didn't.

[KendallX23]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Ash would be pretty easy to get a message to. Even if her email account from the last game magically disappeared, she does have family which isn't so hidden. It might take a little longer, but it would be far from impossible.

Kaiden's similar: he has (more distant) relations he keeps in contact with.

There almost certainly was a period in which Shepard could have contacted the LI, but didn't.

yea..SHepard was busy...with plot holes and everything....
      when in doubt...use the plot hole card...hey..bigger men used it

[eternalnightmare13]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Ash would be pretty easy to get a message to. Even if her email account from the last game magically disappeared, she does have family which isn't so hidden. It might take a little longer, but it would be far from impossible.

Kaiden's similar: he has (more distant) relations he keeps in contact with.

There almost certainly was a period in which Shepard could have contacted the LI, but didn't.

Getting a message from someone two years AFTER your love interest was apparently killed - in space- would be really effing weird.  I'd probably delete it, and think it was some sick spammer on par with the Nigerian money scams.

It's also alluded to, and confirmed by Anderson that Ash/Kaidan aren't sitting around some office.  They're on assignment on Alliance business and the contact info isn't something he's just gonna give out to you since your with Cerebus.

A face to face is the only way to do it, and dropping the ball to go find your long lost love is really silly.  I'm glad they didn't go the route of 'racing across the galaxy to save your long lost love from the Collectors'.

[eternalnightmare13]

Obsidian Thirteen wrote...

...I really don't want that **** Ashley back anymore.

Being upset is one thing, it was clearly an emotional mind **** of a moment considering Shepard's been dead 2 years.  BUT calling Shepard a traitor?  WTF?!  Shepard's a big goddamn hero!  There'd be Sentient Smoothie shops on every corner of the galaxy if it weren't for Shepard.  Her email comes off as weak, and my Shep doesn't need some emotional train wreck of a relationship in the middle of a impending genocide/war.

That's why he shagged Jack one time, and got some dances from Kelly. 

[Fiery Phoenix]

Beholderess wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I don't get why the OP never paid attention to her message. She APOLOGIZED, for heaven's sake. What more do you need?

I believe OP stated that s/he couldn't read her message because the font on TV was too small.

As for the message itself - I think it is perfectly reasonable to think that after what was said on Horizon, a simple apology is not enough. Enough to not be angry at Ash anymore - perhaps. But not to return the love, trust, understanding, closeness that were lost.

Regardless, we both know she doesn't hate Shepard. She was yelling like any woman would do, but then she felt the guilt and sent that email. And if you move on and don't care for her anymore because of two random words she said after nearly getting killed, you're no better than her.

I can already see her being Shepard's right hand in ME3, assuming you didn't move on and cheated on her because you didn't appreciate how she "greeted" you on Horizion.

Again, taking her attitude (which is completely understandable, for reasons I'm not going to bother repeating)  too seriously makes you no better than her. She was just like that in ME1 anyway.

It's purely a matter of understanding feelings.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 23 mai 2010 - 05:08 .

[Beholderess]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Beholderess wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I don't get why the OP never paid attention to her message. She APOLOGIZED, for heaven's sake. What more do you need?

I believe OP stated that s/he couldn't read her message because the font on TV was too small.

As for the message itself - I think it is perfectly reasonable to think that after what was said on Horizon, a simple apology is not enough. Enough to not be angry at Ash anymore - perhaps. But not to return the love, trust, understanding, closeness that were lost.

Regardless, we both know she doesn't hate Shepard. She was yelling like any woman would do, but then she felt the guilt and sent that email. And if you move on and don't care for her anymore because of two random words she said after nearly getting killed, you're no better than her.

I can already see her being Shepard's right hand in ME3, assuming you didn't move on and cheated on her because didn't appreciate how she "greeted" you on Horizion.

Again, taking her attitude (which is completely understandable, for reasons I'm not going to bother repeating)  too seriously makes you no better than her. She was just like that in ME1 anyway.

Don't remember her calling Shepard a traitor in ME1. Yes, yes, I know, I am stuck on this particular accusation, but yes, it get's me. Very much.
Not that it matters much, as my maleshep is going to stay with her anyway. I just do not think that there is anything remotely wrong with a decidion to leave Ash. After what was said she has no right whatsoever to claim that Shep "cheated" or something like that. Remeving this relationship is an option, not a must. And I completely understand those who choose not to.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Beholderess wrote...

Don't remember her calling Shepard a traitor in ME1. Yes, yes, I know, I am stuck on this particular accusation, but yes, it get's me. Very much.
Not that it matters much, as my maleshep is going to stay with her anyway. I just do not think that there is anything remotely wrong with a decidion to leave Ash. After what was said she has no right whatsoever to claim that Shep "cheated" or something like that. Remeving this relationship is an option, not a must. And I completely understand those who choose not to.

Oh yeah, I understand that. I'm not saying it's wrong to leave her now (that's ultimately up to you); I'm simply saying her reaction isn't really worth all the trouble in this thread. My male Shep is going to stay with her anyway, too.

In the end, it's really just a matter of understanding her feelings. Nothing more, nothing less. Take a moment and consider what she said and how you would react if you were in her exact position. After that, you're free to choose which path to take. Simple as that.

Also, I'm sorry if I came up as a little harsh. I just tend to be blunt.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 23 mai 2010 - 05:26 .

[trobbins777]

Beholderess wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Beholderess wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I don't get why the OP never paid attention to her message. She APOLOGIZED, for heaven's sake. What more do you need?

I believe OP stated that s/he couldn't read her message because the font on TV was too small.

As for the message itself - I think it is perfectly reasonable to think that after what was said on Horizon, a simple apology is not enough. Enough to not be angry at Ash anymore - perhaps. But not to return the love, trust, understanding, closeness that were lost.

Regardless, we both know she doesn't hate Shepard. She was yelling like any woman would do, but then she felt the guilt and sent that email. And if you move on and don't care for her anymore because of two random words she said after nearly getting killed, you're no better than her.

I can already see her being Shepard's right hand in ME3, assuming you didn't move on and cheated on her because didn't appreciate how she "greeted" you on Horizion.

Again, taking her attitude (which is completely understandable, for reasons I'm not going to bother repeating)  too seriously makes you no better than her. She was just like that in ME1 anyway.

Don't remember her calling Shepard a traitor in ME1. Yes, yes, I know, I am stuck on this particular accusation, but yes, it get's me. Very much.
Not that it matters much, as my maleshep is going to stay with her anyway. I just do not think that there is anything remotely wrong with a decidion to leave Ash. After what was said she has no right whatsoever to claim that Shep "cheated" or something like that. Remeving this relationship is an option, not a must. And I completely understand those who choose not to.

I'm guessing that's what bioware was going for. So that anyone who had a relationship in ME 1 would have an excuse to try out the shiny new LI's.

[Fiery Phoenix]

^ VERY likely conclusion.

[Persephone]

Here's my very unimportant opinion:

I think both Shep and Ash/Kaidan are behaving wrongly there. Shep is all "Hey! Long time, no see, how are ya? What, you are too emotional!?" while Ash/Kaidan seem to lack the human feeling of utter joy to see their beloved and or commander alive again. That hug is too blah. I can only explain it using a rather personal case; My Mom died of cancer some years back. If Cerberus or ANY goddam terrorist group brought her back alive, well and the very same she used to be, I'd be focused more on my happiness re: getting her back and not petty & illogic "Why didn't you call me?" whining and discarding her so easily. I cannot be THAT loyal to anyone or anything, if a person I love comes back from the dead, curiosity itself (love and happiness aside) would be enough to at least hear them out.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Persephone wrote...

Here's my very unimportant opinion:

I think both Shep and Ash/Kaidan are behaving wrongly there. Shep is all "Hey! Long time, no see, how are ya? What, you are too emotional!?" while Ash/Kaidan seem to lack the human feeling of utter joy to see their beloved and or commander alive again. That hug is too blah. I can only explain it using a rather personal case; My Mom died of cancer some years back. If Cerberus or ANY goddam terrorist group brought her back alive, well and the very same she used to be, I'd be focused more on my happiness re: getting her back and not petty & illogic "Why didn't you call me?" whining and discarding her so easily. I cannot be THAT loyal to anyone or anything, if a person I love comes back from the dead, curiosity itself (love and happiness aside) would be enough to at least hear them out.

Just wanted to say I'm sorry about your mother...

[Persephone]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Here's my very unimportant opinion:

I think both Shep and Ash/Kaidan are behaving wrongly there. Shep is all "Hey! Long time, no see, how are ya? What, you are too emotional!?" while Ash/Kaidan seem to lack the human feeling of utter joy to see their beloved and or commander alive again. That hug is too blah. I can only explain it using a rather personal case; My Mom died of cancer some years back. If Cerberus or ANY goddam terrorist group brought her back alive, well and the very same she used to be, I'd be focused more on my happiness re: getting her back and not petty & illogic "Why didn't you call me?" whining and discarding her so easily. I cannot be THAT loyal to anyone or anything, if a person I love comes back from the dead, curiosity itself (love and happiness aside) would be enough to at least hear them out.

Just wanted to say I'm sorry about your mother...

Thanks. To quote Ash: She's with God now. :happy:

[Fiery Phoenix]

Yes, I'm sure she's in a better place now.

[TudorWolf]

I can understand Ahs/Kaiden's reactions, to an extent at any rate.



What I dislike though is that only a Shep who had them as LI gets any sort of closure on the whole thing. I romanced Liara in ME1, so when my Shep meets Ash on Horizon I just get stonewalled and left standing there with the bitter taste of "I can't trust you anymore, goodbye".



I was pretty friendly with both characters in ME1, and so it annoys me that unless you romanced the survivor, you get left with nothing from them except the less than stellar conversation

[drunken pyromaniac]

TudorWolf wrote...

I can understand Ahs/Kaiden's reactions, to an extent at any rate.

What I dislike though is that only a Shep who had them as LI gets any sort of closure on the whole thing. I romanced Liara in ME1, so when my Shep meets Ash on Horizon I just get stonewalled and left standing there with the bitter taste of "I can't trust you anymore, goodbye".

I was pretty friendly with both characters in ME1, and so it annoys me that unless you romanced the survivor, you get left with nothing from them except the less than stellar conversation

That's the writer's fault, not the character's. They were writing the ME1 LIs out of ME2 and trying to lure people to the new LIs. The best way to do so is to make the characters unsympathetic.

[TudorWolf]

^Oh I know I'm not saying anything the characters themselves.



I just wish that the whole scenario had more thought put into it

[leggywillow]

I completely understand Ash/Kaidan's reaction. We tend to lash out the most towards people we care about the most. Honestly, if my fiance was Shep and I was Ashley... well, that conversation would have had far more expletives in it. If I had believed him to be dead for 2 years and then discover he's working with a terrorist organization, yes, I'd be overjoyed to find him alive. But I imagine there would be so many out-of-control emotions running through me, I'd definitely say some things I'd regret. Probably much meaner things than Ash said, too, but I curse like it's an Olympic sport.



For one thing, Ash/Kaidan is in the sickening position of not being sure what is actually going on. Pretending to be dead for 2 years in order to go undercover is a far more likely explanation for Shep's reappearance than resurrection, even in 2185. It'd be hard to believe. Sending that email alone is a sign that after cooling down, Ash/Kaidan still does trust Shepard.

[drunken pyromaniac]

TudorWolf wrote...

^Oh I know I'm not saying anything the characters themselves.

I just wish that the whole scenario had more thought put into it

I agree, the whole scene was infuriating because of...well everything. Thankfully, when you think about it, you can kind of see it from their side. Still, terrrible scene and writing.

[KendallX23]

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

TudorWolf wrote...

^Oh I know I'm not saying anything the characters themselves.

I just wish that the whole scenario had more thought put into it

I agree, the whole scene was infuriating because of...well everything. Thankfully, when you think about it, you can kind of see it from their side. Still, terrrible scene and writing.

Well the lines Shepard had for this situation didn't help either...i mean really..who would say that in this situation...Shepard acts like nothing happened..most of the time

[drunken pyromaniac]

KendallX23 wrote...



Well the lines Shepard had for this situation didn't help either...i mean really..who would say that in this situation...Shepard acts like nothing happened..most of the time

Notice I said writing, not any character's in particular. It was all poorly done. Though at least Ash's/Kaidan's position is tenable.

[KendallX23]

my Shepard is a peace lover....hehe...)

[TudorWolf]

KendallX23 wrote...

Well the lines Shepard had for this situation didn't help either...i mean really..who would say that in this situation...Shepard acts like nothing happened..most of the time

I tried the neutral responses on my most playthrough and I think they work the best, as Paragon Shep acts as if nothing ever happened and if I remember rightly also makes out Cerberus as the good guys (really out of character), Renegade Shep I've never tried though.

Still though, Shep dialogue in general is pretty awful for that, indeed

[drunken pyromaniac]

leggywillow wrote...

I completely understand Ash/Kaidan's reaction. We tend to lash out the most towards people we care about the most. Honestly, if my fiance was Shep and I was Ashley... well, that conversation would have had far more expletives in it. If I had believed him to be dead for 2 years and then discover he's working with a terrorist organization, yes, I'd be overjoyed to find him alive. But I imagine there would be so many out-of-control emotions running through me, I'd definitely say some things I'd regret. Probably much meaner things than Ash said, too, but I curse like it's an Olympic sport.

For one thing, Ash/Kaidan is in the sickening position of not being sure what is actually going on. Pretending to be dead for 2 years in order to go undercover is a far more likely explanation for Shep's reappearance than resurrection, even in 2185. It'd be hard to believe. Sending that email alone is a sign that after cooling down, Ash/Kaidan still does trust Shepard.

Thank you. I've made this point soooooo many times.

[drunken pyromaniac]

TudorWolf wrote...

I tried the neutral responses on my most playthrough and I think they work the best, as Paragon Shep acts as if nothing ever happened and if I remember rightly also makes out Cerberus as the good guys (really out of character), Renegade Shep I've never tried though.

Still though, Shep dialogue in general is pretty awful for that, indeed

That's what I always do too. Shepard's "I've had enough of this colony." at the end was rather touching though. Almost as if he knows he screwed up the encounter.

Modifié par drunken pyromaniac, 23 mai 2010 - 08:15 .